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Police: Man Shot Dead By Officers Pulled Air Pistol That Looked Like Gun
CBS New York ^ | Dec. 9, 2012

Posted on 12/09/2012 1:43:21 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) -A man with a record of 39 arrests was shot and killed by police detectives in Queens overnight, after pulling what police thought was a gun, but turned out to be a compressed air pistol.

Police on Sunday afternoon continued to investigate the shooting that left the 42-year-old man dead. The suspect killed by police had not been identified as of 3 p.m., pending family notification.

Around 10:45 p.m. Saturday at Gates and Seneca avenues in the Ridgewood section of Queens, two male plainclothes NYPD detectives – ages 48 and 42 and both nine-year department veterans – had just had arrested a 33-year-old suspect in a buy-and-bust drug sting operation.

At that point, they were confronted by the suspect, who pulled what looked like a Glock 19 semi-automatic handgun, police said. It was actually a Walther CP99 compressed air pistol, but was designed to look like a Glock, police said.

The drug dealer who was arrested initially said the suspect with the air pistol “appeared out of nowhere,” and watched as the man pulled the weapon at detectives.

When he did so, the dealer said he told the man with the gun, “They’re cops, you idiot!”

(Excerpt) Read more at newyork.cbslocal.com ...


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1 posted on 12/09/2012 1:43:23 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

They can kill you just as dead.


2 posted on 12/09/2012 1:47:35 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
...“appeared out of nowhere,”...

Sounds like one of those "suicide by cop" things to me.

3 posted on 12/09/2012 1:51:26 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I feel sad for my once great country. We deserve everything that is about to happen to us.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I would have shot him too.


4 posted on 12/09/2012 1:51:48 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: SkyDancer; Free ThinkerNY

When the Colorado shooter burst into the theater, most people thought he was waving a toy gun and it was a stunt.

I am in charge of an historic site, and some satanist freak brought a very realistic “toy” gun on the site because he wanted his satanist girlfriend(s) to make a video of him pointing it at a religious symbol. I made him leave the site, but other visitors (including somebody in law enforcement) told me that they thought it was a real gun and that I should have called the police.

It may have been a real gun, I don’t know. But in any case, if somebody is going to go around doing this in public places, they’ve got to take the consequences. And it is absolutely true that an air pistol can kill you.


5 posted on 12/09/2012 1:58:34 PM PST by livius
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Don’t bring an air pistol to a gunfight.


6 posted on 12/09/2012 1:59:04 PM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: SkyDancer
.177 cal, BB ammo, CO2 powered, 360 fps. But how would know that in a fast-unfolding confrontation?


7 posted on 12/09/2012 1:59:36 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
now you know.

If you'd pulled your piece and cut the guy to ribbons, you'd never get out of prison though. cops can do this without penalty.

8 posted on 12/09/2012 2:02:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
now you know.

If you'd pulled your piece and cut the guy to ribbons, you'd never get out of prison though. cops can do this without penalty.

9 posted on 12/09/2012 2:03:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: livius

OTOH - someone could have a real gun, paint some orange on the muzzle and people would then think it’s fake. Trick someone out until it’s too late.


10 posted on 12/09/2012 2:10:36 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Exactly. Even fake guns in Australia you need a permit. I’ve seen pellet guns at gun shows that shoot upwards of 1,000 fps in .22 cal.


11 posted on 12/09/2012 2:12:07 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: muawiyah
If you'd pulled your piece and cut the guy to ribbons, you'd never get out of prison though.

Can you prove that?

12 posted on 12/09/2012 2:14:48 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

it’s New York ~ what more need be said. The cops get to shoot people.


13 posted on 12/09/2012 2:25:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Free ThinkerNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOx6OM01M5M


14 posted on 12/09/2012 2:38:08 PM PST by stanne
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Good... I always love a happy ending.


15 posted on 12/09/2012 2:39:43 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It was actually a Walther CP99 compressed air pistol, but was designed to look like a Glock, police said.

Really? Designed to look like a Glock?

Gosh, New York peoples is so smart!

16 posted on 12/09/2012 2:44:01 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: SkyDancer

And?


17 posted on 12/09/2012 2:45:28 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: muawiyah
The cops get to shoot people.

If someone points a gun at you, will you act or cower ?

18 posted on 12/09/2012 2:46:06 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I’ve spent thousands of hours at on the mean streets of a hundred cities in the wee hours of the morning and not been shot. people less wary get shot every day.


19 posted on 12/09/2012 2:52:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I'm one of the first to jump on the cops in most of these shootings... but this one seems justified. The only hiccup that I see is that the arrestee had enough time to say “They’re cops, you idiot!”, and yet it still escalated. But if the idiot was warned, AND proceeded against the police with an air pistol, then you may as well call it suicide-by-cop.

I'm not crazy about the never-ending parade of police shootings (my father served for 22 years in the 5-boroughs area, and never once shot anyone - despite being fired upon 3 times), but I can't see this as anything but justified.

20 posted on 12/09/2012 2:59:47 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
39 arrests? Good riddance
21 posted on 12/09/2012 3:01:24 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
39 arrests? Good riddance
22 posted on 12/09/2012 3:01:44 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

it’s new york city ~ a criminal with 33 arrests is among the preferred people ~


23 posted on 12/09/2012 3:07:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I’ve spent thousands of hours at on the mean streets of a hundred cities in the wee hours of the morning and not been shot. people less wary get shot every day.

What's your point? Even the wary, like LEOs, are shot and killed.

24 posted on 12/09/2012 3:16:40 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Think wary ~ cops are wandering about in cop suits in marked cars. i could always find one if i ever needed one ~ which was infrequent.

I think better than excellent night vision helps, plus wear clothing that allows you to blend into your surroundings ~ and don't go bothering people with firearms ~ always makes it easier to avoid trouble in the wee hours.

Just as a guideline, never enter or leave a front door of a business establishment or a government building. That just frames you for problems.

25 posted on 12/09/2012 3:20:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I’ve spent thousands of hours at on the mean streets of a hundred cities in the wee hours of the morning and not been shot. people less wary get shot every day.

If someone points a gun at you, will you act or cower ? Do you carry auto, homeowners, health and personal liability insurance?

26 posted on 12/09/2012 3:20:38 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It is a chance the cop could not take.


27 posted on 12/09/2012 3:23:45 PM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That fake Glock air pistol (probably) helped him pull all kinds of sheeeeet out on the street. But his good luck streak ran out with some cops


28 posted on 12/09/2012 3:23:58 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: muawiyah
cops are wandering about in cop suits in marked cars

What's your point? Criminals are not in uniforms or marked cars.

29 posted on 12/09/2012 3:24:32 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: muawiyah
If the facts are as reported, I think this is a good shoot. An added fact, these two police officers fired a total of six shots. In this day and age, it is normal to read that the two cops would have fired 20-30 rounds. Six shots tell me we have two well trained and well disciplined police officers here.

Pointing a BB gun at police officers as they are making an arrest should qualify the dead guy to at least an honorable mention at the Darwin awards ceremony

30 posted on 12/09/2012 3:28:20 PM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

The NYC Journalistas are still arguing this one. Some say it was a Ruger designed to look like a Taurus. Others a Colt designed to look like an AK-47. But those in the know say it was definitely just a Beretta designed to look like a Mossberg.


31 posted on 12/09/2012 3:31:22 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Seriously, when a drug dealer tells you to not act stupidly around cops, that is pretty good advice.


32 posted on 12/09/2012 3:36:18 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: Right Wing Assault
LOL.

I mean, we have the Internet, people!

Taking 5 seconds to keep from looking ignorant must be one of those old white-man things.

33 posted on 12/09/2012 3:41:05 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Looked like a gun?” An air pistol is a gun! Pull a gun on a police officer - you get shot - end of story.


34 posted on 12/09/2012 3:51:05 PM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
The NYC Journalistas are still arguing this one. Some say it was a Ruger designed to look like a Taurus. Others a Colt designed to look like an AK-47. But those in the know say it was definitely just a Beretta designed to look like a Mossberg.

I have one that's a Daisy designed to look like a Webley.

They would never get that.

35 posted on 12/09/2012 3:52:50 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper
I have one that's a Daisy designed to look like a Webley.

My wife has a Crosman designed to look like a Smith and Wesson. It looks like a Smith and Wesson. At the gun store, my boy saw one in the display case and said they have a BB pistol like ma's. I said nope, that's the real thing.

36 posted on 12/09/2012 3:59:53 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Right Wing Assault; Trailerpark Badass
Don't forget, those journalists are generally working with this:


37 posted on 12/09/2012 4:05:50 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

...“appeared out of nowhere,”...

Or it did appear out of nowhere after the police gunned him down. Besides, it’s NYC and no one is allowed to have a weapon of any kind, or a 32 oz sugary drink for that matter.


38 posted on 12/09/2012 4:20:40 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Looks like a Glock? The CP99 is—and is supposed to be—a dead ringer for the Walther P99C.


39 posted on 12/09/2012 5:10:55 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Trailerpark Badass

And(?) And those pellet guns can kill you just as dead as a firearm, i.e pistol. For the MSM to come out and say he only had a pellet gun is just stupid on their part meaning that the cops shouldn’t have shot him because he “only” had a pellet gun.


40 posted on 12/09/2012 5:41:43 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer
Cool.

I reacted to your comment about them being licensed in AU. ON my first reading I thought you might be saying that is a sound idea, but I obviously got it wrong.

41 posted on 12/09/2012 5:55:14 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: SkyDancer

And even if it doesnt kill you, it can WOUND you seriously. (Youre gonna put your eye out with that thing!!!)


42 posted on 12/09/2012 5:57:04 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: paul51

39 arrests and not identified...


43 posted on 12/09/2012 5:59:23 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Been in shops that sell different things. Pellet guns locked up inside counter. You can see but can’t touch.


44 posted on 12/09/2012 6:08:40 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: muawiyah
The cops get to shoot people.

Apparently with good reason.

A dozen New York cops have been shot this year, compared with nine during the previous three years, the Daily News reported Sunday.

The number of shootings involving police officers in which there was return fire from an assailant doubled to 18 so far in 2012, from nine last year.

Fifty-six bullets were fired at New York police this year, compared with 23 in 2011, the newspaper reported.

45 posted on 12/10/2012 2:40:38 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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