Skip to comments.Ohio, Virginia eye proposals for more proportional split of electoral votes
Posted on 12/09/2012 4:20:26 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Officials in Virginia and Ohio, once reliably red states that have gone for President Obama in the past two elections, have discussed the idea of apportioning their electoral votes by congressional district a system some say would more accurately reflect the will of the states voters but one that others dismiss as an unnecessary political ploy.
The talks come as demographic shifts have pushed the GOPs reliable bastions to more exurban and rural areas, allowing Democrats to win such states by sufficiently running up their margins in a comparatively small number of densely-populated cities and counties.
To that end, Virginia state Sen. Charles W. Carrico Sr., Grayson Republican, has introduced a bill that would award one electoral vote to the winner of each of the states 11 congressional districts, and the states two at-large votes to the candidate that wins the majority of the districts.
Mr. Carrico cited the results in the southwestern 9th Congessional District where Mitt Romney won 63 percent of the vote as part of the reason he introduced the bill.
People in my district they feel discouraged by coming out because their votes dont mean anything if theyre outvoted in metropolitan districts, Mr. Carrico said. It can go either way it doesnt necessarily mean that one political party is going to be favored over another. When they come out to vote, they know their vote counts instead of a winner-take-all. Id love to see other states to do this because I dont feel the Electoral College right now is a fair system.
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Every state in the union should be like this.
I believe I like the idea of making the Electoral Votes dictated by the voting per Congressional district, with +2 going to the overall popular vote winner within a state. Not to mention, it will marginalize any effects of voter fraud, should there be any.
lol It will make campaigning somewhat of a nightmare, but will be best for the voters I think. For instance, a democrat presidential candidate wouldn’t spend 5 minutes in South Carolina during the general election campaign, but they would almost need to now if there is a CD within the state that could go their way. Same thing as it relates to Republicans with California or New York.
It will maintain the spirit of Federalism, would be a good middle ground between the traditional system we have now and the demands on the part of liberals for a national popular vote deciding elections, and I believe our Founders would approve!
If the RINOs can’t win through principles and issues then make it so you can win by changing the rules.
Heard that PA might reconsider this in 2013 as well.
Anyone gonna guess if WI or MI might do this?
ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!! 2010 still reverberates!!!
This is the ONLY way to overcome the Inner-city parasitic tribal votes and associated Vote Fraud. You can’t outvote the dead, Illegals, and black multi-voters.
Every battleground state with a GOP Governor and Legislature should pass this kind of law as soon as possible.
I used to not like this idea, because the libs proposed it, but now that the GOP has many state houses and governorships, it’s time to do it. A more proportional representation is good for the Red states.
This should be done immediately. The cities have begun to overwhelm the rest of the electorate to the point where they are losing their representation within the quadrennial “assembly” that is the electoral college.
Sounds good to me. Better than the bull**** “popular vote” crap being pushed by the liberals.
Heard that PA might reconsider this in 2013 as well.
They almost did it in 2012 but chickened out. Hopefully they’ll do it now—it’s really the only solution to the massive voter fraud that the Democrats do.
“This is the ONLY way to overcome the Inner-city parasitic tribal votes and associated Vote Fraud. You cant outvote the dead, Illegals, and black multi-voters.”
Precisely. It is much too easy for the dhims to commit voter fraud in their filthy cities that they can easily marginalize the people who live in the rural areas of a given state. One of the unrecognized dangers of owebama’s reign is how sophisticated election-stealing has become. They have nationalized the dirty politics of chicago.
If this is not done it will be a long time - if ever - before a non-dhim will win the presidency again.
Yes, big city urban sponges are killing America. They are disproportionately voting in their favor and more rural areas are getting hosed. The only thing that would be better would be 1 state = 1 vote.
And do so before the Electoral College meets Dec 17.
This is a great idea for Ohio. There is far too much clout in the major metro areas (Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton), and all of that clout is on the side of the socialists, voted by the entitlement class.
Proportional allotment would be a great way to get some voice back to the conservative districts.
Yes, let’s do this nationwide.
This would make Ohio irrelevant in national elections ... GOOD!
Conservatives need this to happen in CA and NY ASAP.
Yeah, I was totally against this a month ago. But am willing to reconsider.
This would minimize the urban vote fraud running up the score.
I figured this out early during the year: if the Republican-controlled Purple States (FL, IA, MI, OH, PA, VA and WI) shift to the Maine-Nebraska Method, Mitt Romney would be a cinch to win. Sure enough, if they had, he would have been.
Here’s the deal (Michael Barone pointed this out when explaining why Obama was re-elected while the Republicans kept the House): Democrats are much more concentrated in inner city districts. Republicans are more evenly spread out in the suburbs, towns and rural areas of the country. Democrats win lots of districts with 75 percent or more the vote. We win many more districts with 55 to 65 percent of the vote.
As it is, vote fraud and voter intimidation is rift in the inner cities of the country. When that tips the balance in big states, it can be devastating to democracy.
I have been a fan of this idea for several years now, and would love to see all 50 states allocate their votes this way. It keeps any state from attaining excess importance, and keeps the cities from necessarily overwhelming their neighbors in the rest of their respective states. Also, the decentralization makes vote fraud that much more difficult to accomplish to any real effect. Outstanding idea, and I truly hope it catches on across the US!
I think you mean "rinos, conservatives, and/or republicans"
In Ohio, more democrats voted for congress than repubs, but we won 13 and the dems won 5 congressional seats because we gerry mandered the crap out of them.
Of course they did the same to us in NY, CA and IL.
And if this is, so there is one week's time before Dec 17 to change how the Electoral College votes in these states and stop Obama's re-election.
So, how do we make this thing happen?
Hasn't this been figured out yet by those in these states on OUR side who should be in the know?
The blue states won’t.
If the blue states don’t, then what advantage would it be for the red states like Texas? There is no way CA or NY or IL would ever agree to such a system.
Texas needs to do this, too!
Austin, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio are heavily populated urban Democrat enclaves and do not represent the majority of the people in Texas, who are basically conservative regarding fiscal and social matters.
I’m not sure how the CD apportionment of EVs would be affected (there are 254 Counties in TX), but it WOULD give equal weight to the more rural districts with less population and fewer Democrats.
Agree. If only red states switch, then the Dems will win nationally by even bigger electoral college margins.
“..... so there is one week’s time before Dec 17 to change how the Electoral College votes in these states and stop Obama’s re-election.
So, how do we make this thing happen?.....”
You can’t make it happen for this year. Any change such as this would go into effect for the 2016 election, not the 2012 election.
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I think you need to criticize them as well.
>If the RINOs cant win through principles and issues then make it so you can win by changing the rules.<
Or, to look at this proposal another way, make it far less easy for a dishonest party to steal the election by fraud.
The non-northern, non-Tidewater parts of Virginia overwhelmingly came out for Romney. People in my county voted Romney by 60+ per cent margins.
"Who" or "what" says "can't"?
Yes indeed! If this were the case, even those of us behind enemy lines in states like the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois would have a voice.
“Who” or “what” says “can’t”?
I think political realities say it can’t be retroactively effective and therefore any such changes wouldn’t be effective until the next election.
But who know, if Obama reveals his communist party and his Al Qaeda contract of service before the Electoral College convenes, it would be theoretically possible. I’m not holding my breath for that—but it’s a great idea for States such as Pennsylvania!
Depends on the “blue” states....some have Red controlled legislations and govs.
If a state is turning purple, like VA, I can see changing the way our electoral votes are determined. Here in NoVA, the Dems are dominating and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Eventually, VA will be a blue state when it comes to national and statewide elections. During this transition phase, it would be better to change.