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Ohio, Virginia eye proposals for more proportional split of electoral votes
The Washington Times ^ | December 8, 2012 | David Sherfinski

Posted on 12/09/2012 4:20:26 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Officials in Virginia and Ohio, once reliably red states that have gone for President Obama in the past two elections, have discussed the idea of apportioning their electoral votes by congressional district — a system some say would more accurately reflect the will of the states’ voters but one that others dismiss as an unnecessary political ploy.

The talks come as demographic shifts have pushed the GOP’s reliable bastions to more exurban and rural areas, allowing Democrats to win such states by sufficiently running up their margins in a comparatively small number of densely-populated cities and counties.

To that end, Virginia state Sen. Charles W. Carrico Sr., Grayson Republican, has introduced a bill that would award one electoral vote to the winner of each of the state’s 11 congressional districts, and the state’s two at-large votes to the candidate that wins the majority of the districts.

Mr. Carrico cited the results in the southwestern 9th Congessional District — where Mitt Romney won 63 percent of the vote — as part of the reason he introduced the bill.

“People in my district — they feel discouraged by coming out because their votes don’t mean anything if they’re outvoted in metropolitan districts,” Mr. Carrico said. “It can go either way — it doesn’t necessarily mean that one political party is going to be favored over another. When they come out to vote, they know their vote counts instead of a winner-take-all. I’d love to see other states to do this because I don’t feel the Electoral College right now is a fair system.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: districts; electoralcollege; proportional; winnertakeall

1 posted on 12/09/2012 4:20:31 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Every state in the union should be like this.


2 posted on 12/09/2012 4:22:49 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I don’t feel the Electoral College right now is a fair system.

This really isn't about the electoral college but I would like to see Michigan give its votes by district.
3 posted on 12/09/2012 4:24:41 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I believe I like the idea of making the Electoral Votes dictated by the voting per Congressional district, with +2 going to the overall popular vote winner within a state. Not to mention, it will marginalize any effects of voter fraud, should there be any.

lol It will make campaigning somewhat of a nightmare, but will be best for the voters I think. For instance, a democrat presidential candidate wouldn’t spend 5 minutes in South Carolina during the general election campaign, but they would almost need to now if there is a CD within the state that could go their way. Same thing as it relates to Republicans with California or New York.

It will maintain the spirit of Federalism, would be a good middle ground between the traditional system we have now and the demands on the part of liberals for a national popular vote deciding elections, and I believe our Founders would approve!


4 posted on 12/09/2012 4:42:47 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If the RINOs can’t win through principles and issues then make it so you can win by changing the rules.


5 posted on 12/09/2012 4:53:32 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: All

Heard that PA might reconsider this in 2013 as well.

Anyone gonna guess if WI or MI might do this?

ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!! 2010 still reverberates!!!


6 posted on 12/09/2012 5:04:41 PM PST by Kolath
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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7 posted on 12/09/2012 5:04:56 PM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is the ONLY way to overcome the Inner-city parasitic tribal votes and associated Vote Fraud. You can’t outvote the dead, Illegals, and black multi-voters.


8 posted on 12/09/2012 5:05:15 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Every battleground state with a GOP Governor and Legislature should pass this kind of law as soon as possible.


9 posted on 12/09/2012 5:13:59 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I used to not like this idea, because the libs proposed it, but now that the GOP has many state houses and governorships, it’s time to do it. A more proportional representation is good for the Red states.


10 posted on 12/09/2012 5:36:53 PM PST by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my Big Gulp !)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This should be done immediately. The cities have begun to overwhelm the rest of the electorate to the point where they are losing their representation within the quadrennial “assembly” that is the electoral college.


11 posted on 12/09/2012 5:38:15 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sounds good to me. Better than the bull**** “popular vote” crap being pushed by the liberals.


12 posted on 12/09/2012 5:39:31 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Kolath

Heard that PA might reconsider this in 2013 as well.
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They almost did it in 2012 but chickened out. Hopefully they’ll do it now—it’s really the only solution to the massive voter fraud that the Democrats do.


13 posted on 12/09/2012 5:49:26 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: traditional1

“This is the ONLY way to overcome the Inner-city parasitic tribal votes and associated Vote Fraud. You can’t outvote the dead, Illegals, and black multi-voters.”

Precisely. It is much too easy for the dhims to commit voter fraud in their filthy cities that they can easily marginalize the people who live in the rural areas of a given state. One of the unrecognized dangers of owebama’s reign is how sophisticated election-stealing has become. They have nationalized the dirty politics of chicago.

If this is not done it will be a long time - if ever - before a non-dhim will win the presidency again.


14 posted on 12/09/2012 6:08:44 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yes, big city urban sponges are killing America. They are disproportionately voting in their favor and more rural areas are getting hosed. The only thing that would be better would be 1 state = 1 vote.


15 posted on 12/09/2012 6:17:26 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
Every battleground state with a GOP Governor and Legislature should pass this kind of law as soon as possible.

And do so before the Electoral College meets Dec 17.

FReegards!


16 posted on 12/09/2012 6:27:09 PM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is a great idea for Ohio. There is far too much clout in the major metro areas (Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton), and all of that clout is on the side of the socialists, voted by the entitlement class.
Proportional allotment would be a great way to get some voice back to the conservative districts.


17 posted on 12/09/2012 6:37:22 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Yes, let’s do this nationwide.


18 posted on 12/09/2012 7:12:11 PM PST by Lysandru
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This would make Ohio irrelevant in national elections ... GOOD!


19 posted on 12/09/2012 7:49:57 PM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Conservatives need this to happen in CA and NY ASAP.


20 posted on 12/09/2012 7:55:09 PM PST by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: vpintheak

Yeah, I was totally against this a month ago. But am willing to reconsider.

This would minimize the urban vote fraud running up the score.


21 posted on 12/09/2012 7:59:32 PM PST by SteveAustin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I figured this out early during the year: if the Republican-controlled Purple States (FL, IA, MI, OH, PA, VA and WI) shift to the Maine-Nebraska Method, Mitt Romney would be a cinch to win. Sure enough, if they had, he would have been.

Here’s the deal (Michael Barone pointed this out when explaining why Obama was re-elected while the Republicans kept the House): Democrats are much more concentrated in inner city districts. Republicans are more evenly spread out in the suburbs, towns and rural areas of the country. Democrats win lots of districts with 75 percent or more the vote. We win many more districts with 55 to 65 percent of the vote.

As it is, vote fraud and voter intimidation is rift in the inner cities of the country. When that tips the balance in big states, it can be devastating to democracy.


22 posted on 12/09/2012 8:02:55 PM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I have been a fan of this idea for several years now, and would love to see all 50 states allocate their votes this way. It keeps any state from attaining excess importance, and keeps the cities from necessarily overwhelming their neighbors in the rest of their respective states. Also, the decentralization makes vote fraud that much more difficult to accomplish to any real effect. Outstanding idea, and I truly hope it catches on across the US!


23 posted on 12/09/2012 8:23:27 PM PST by VRWCer ( They will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. - ML King)
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To: napscoordinator
If the RINOs can’t win through principles and issues then make it so you can win by changing the rules.

I think you mean "rinos, conservatives, and/or republicans"

In Ohio, more democrats voted for congress than repubs, but we won 13 and the dems won 5 congressional seats because we gerry mandered the crap out of them.

Of course they did the same to us in NY, CA and IL.

24 posted on 12/09/2012 8:41:09 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Redmen4ever; VanDeKoik; CriticalJ; SteveAustin; staytrue; Lysandru; Mike Darancette; PubliusMM; ...
I figured this out early during the year: if the Republican-controlled Purple States (FL, IA, MI, OH, PA, VA and WI) shift to the Maine-Nebraska Method, Mitt Romney would be a cinch to win. Sure enough, if they had, he would have been.

And if this is, so there is one week's time before Dec 17 to change how the Electoral College votes in these states and stop Obama's re-election.

So, how do we make this thing happen?

Hasn't this been figured out yet by those in these states on OUR side who should be in the know?

FReegards!


25 posted on 12/09/2012 8:48:15 PM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: VanDeKoik

The blue states won’t.


26 posted on 12/09/2012 9:18:21 PM PST by kabar
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To: 11th_VA

If the blue states don’t, then what advantage would it be for the red states like Texas? There is no way CA or NY or IL would ever agree to such a system.


27 posted on 12/09/2012 9:21:14 PM PST by kabar
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To: VanDeKoik

Texas needs to do this, too!

Austin, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio are heavily populated urban Democrat enclaves and do not represent the majority of the people in Texas, who are basically conservative regarding fiscal and social matters.

I’m not sure how the CD apportionment of EVs would be affected (there are 254 Counties in TX), but it WOULD give equal weight to the more rural districts with less population and fewer Democrats.


28 posted on 12/09/2012 10:01:20 PM PST by octex
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bump


29 posted on 12/10/2012 12:17:41 AM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: kabar
"If the blue states don’t, then what advantage would it be for the red states like Texas? There is no way CA or NY or IL would ever agree to such a system."

Agree. If only red states switch, then the Dems will win nationally by even bigger electoral college margins.

30 posted on 12/10/2012 3:47:07 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Agamemnon

“..... so there is one week’s time before Dec 17 to change how the Electoral College votes in these states and stop Obama’s re-election.

So, how do we make this thing happen?.....”
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You can’t make it happen for this year. Any change such as this would go into effect for the 2016 election, not the 2012 election.


31 posted on 12/10/2012 4:57:23 AM PST by House Atreides
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32 posted on 12/10/2012 5:36:31 AM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: napscoordinator
The Dems are trying to change the Electoral College, like your State - La Republic Popular de Maryland - by coming up with state compacts and now some congressman wants to award the popular winner with 29 electoral college votes.

I think you need to criticize them as well.

33 posted on 12/10/2012 5:44:40 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: napscoordinator

>If the RINOs can’t win through principles and issues then make it so you can win by changing the rules.<

Or, to look at this proposal another way, make it far less easy for a dishonest party to steal the election by fraud.

The non-northern, non-Tidewater parts of Virginia overwhelmingly came out for Romney. People in my county voted Romney by 60+ per cent margins.


34 posted on 12/10/2012 7:08:45 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: House Atreides
You can’t make it happen for this year. Any change such as this would go into effect for the 2016 election, not the 2012 election.

"Who" or "what" says "can't"?

FReegards!


35 posted on 12/10/2012 9:53:07 AM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: VanDeKoik
Every state in the union should be like this.

Yes indeed! If this were the case, even those of us behind enemy lines in states like the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois would have a voice.

36 posted on 12/10/2012 9:58:04 AM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Agamemnon

“Who” or “what” says “can’t”?
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I think political realities say it can’t be retroactively effective and therefore any such changes wouldn’t be effective until the next election.

But who know, if Obama reveals his communist party and his Al Qaeda contract of service before the Electoral College convenes, it would be theoretically possible. I’m not holding my breath for that—but it’s a great idea for States such as Pennsylvania!


37 posted on 12/10/2012 4:26:17 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: kabar

Depends on the “blue” states....some have Red controlled legislations and govs.


38 posted on 12/10/2012 7:04:12 PM PST by Kolath
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To: Kolath

If a state is turning purple, like VA, I can see changing the way our electoral votes are determined. Here in NoVA, the Dems are dominating and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Eventually, VA will be a blue state when it comes to national and statewide elections. During this transition phase, it would be better to change.


39 posted on 12/10/2012 9:25:41 PM PST by kabar
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