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The Real Second Amendment
The American Thinker ^ | December 8, 2012 | Bart Wilburn

Posted on 12/09/2012 4:25:54 PM PST by dontreadthis

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed As simple as these word are, we have been arguing about what they mean for a long time. Part of the problem is that many people engaged in the argument do not interpret the 2nd Amendment with respect for its historical context, but rather in light of what they want it to mean in support of their purposes. If we want to be honest about it, we must look to the origins of the amendment to understand it in the context of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, and only then can we consider it in our present context. The issue is further complicated by the fact that an increasingly large proportion of the U.S. population has no experience in the use of arms; they see arms as irrelevant to their lives at best or a threat at worst. This is important because the 2nd Amendment is always susceptible and becomes vulnerable when too many think it is an archaic artifact. We must first understand that we did not invent the 2nd Amendment; we inherited it.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: banglist
support your local militia
1 posted on 12/09/2012 4:25:58 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: dontreadthis

I am my local militia, according to the Constitution.


2 posted on 12/09/2012 4:43:36 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: dontreadthis

You sre right, the constitution didn’t create, but affirmed this right.


3 posted on 12/09/2012 4:43:51 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: dontreadthis
How’s about if the socialist succeed in trashing the country, we start over with:

2nd amendment: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

And be done with it.

4 posted on 12/09/2012 5:23:43 PM PST by HammerT (The Obama Recession, you bone it you own it.)
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To: dontreadthis

It is obvious to me that the founders intended us to have weapons capable of confronting a tyrannical government. Not hunting or musket antiques. Not single shot, or magazines limited to ten rounds.
They intended us to have state of the art individual combat weapons. The Swiss have them in every home, and have one of the lowest crime rates.
Many in our government don’t trust us to that extent. And I don’t trust them.


5 posted on 12/09/2012 5:29:58 PM PST by Wildbill22
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To: dontreadthis
An increasing percentage of the American people are familiar with firearms and understand their use.

Then, too, the basic need for them was discovered in Europe long before the founding of the British colonies in North America.

It was a simple item. The Huguenots agreed to a truce between themselves and the Guise (that is, Catholic faction) at the end of the French Religious Wars ~ but they refused to stack arms and allow them to be returned to the government controled armories.

Technology changes everybody's plans, and then their beliefs. Today even the Pope is a Huguenot when it comes to the value of demanding and protecting religious freedom!

You can thank firearms for that.

6 posted on 12/09/2012 5:39:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: HammerT
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Plain and simple: the people=US citizens.

7 posted on 12/09/2012 5:50:06 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: dontreadthis

“well-regulated”=”well-equipped”


8 posted on 12/09/2012 5:51:11 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: dontreadthis

9 posted on 12/09/2012 5:51:30 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: dontreadthis

While undoubtedly there exists a sizeable percentage of
the population that fundamentally lack the capability of
understanding something as simple as the Second Amendment,
it’s historical basis and the rationale for it’s existence
these people are the exception. In reality the vast vast
majority of those who would outlaw the right to arms and the right to self defense truly fully and completely understand the Amendment and what it actually means.

They just don’t care. To a large portion of the populace and for nearly EVERY person holding federal elected office
the meaning of the Constitution is explicitly clear...they just don’t care. It’s an impediment to their agenda thus it is to be ignored, denigrated, abused and violated with
impunity.

The solution to the problem is not debate, not logic, not
education. For the vast majority of those opposing our fundamental rights the solution is a long drop on a short rope as these people truly only care about one thing....their power....and how to get more of it over us.


10 posted on 12/09/2012 7:03:19 PM PST by nvscanman
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To: Alaska Wolf
Citizen is a title and should be capitalized, as it was in the Constitution in all instances of its use until the 13th and 14the Amendment when it was no longer capitalized.

The word was thereafter spelled with a lower case, c, to distinguish between Sovereign Citizens and federal citizens, the latter who became subjects of the federal gummint.

The 14th Amendment was written in order to grant privileges and immunities to former slaves who had no official status with the state or the federal government until those who decided to accept the protection of the federal government became its subjects . . . "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

This should come as a surprise to many, realizing there are two classes of 'citisens' in America living side by side.

Yes, folks. The 14th Amendment only applies to subjects of the federal government.

So, where do you stand?

11 posted on 12/09/2012 8:17:02 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: ozzymandus

Search US Code and unorganized militia. All males 16-45 are in it.


12 posted on 12/09/2012 8:18:01 PM PST by ebshumidors
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To: Eastbound
Citizen is a title and should be capitalized, as it was in the Constitution in all instances of its use until the 13th and 14the Amendment when it was no longer capitalized. The word was thereafter spelled with a lower case, c, to distinguish between Sovereign Citizens and federal citizens, the latter who became subjects of the federal gummint.

There is a more pedestrian explanation.

Legal documents of the Constitutional period regularly capitalized nouns, in the German style. This practice continued thru the mid-1800s, when it was dropped from the stylebook. Thereafter, the distinction was between proper nouns (capitalized) and common nouns (not capitalized) -- as is the practice today.

If you go back and look at the wills, deeds and land transfers of the Constitutional period, you'll find that nouns were generally capitalized. After the Civil War, they were not.

13 posted on 12/09/2012 8:28:07 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Eastbound
So, where do you stand?

With the US Constitution and the law.

14 posted on 12/09/2012 8:41:20 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: okie01
Yes, I realize that. Thanks for the context. So what was the reason for the style change? Most fortunate for the federal government to have a legal way to label the slaves and other non-citizens. Very timely indeed.

Style changes it seems are quite arbitrary, depending on the political necessities of the day. I note that the dictionaries arbitrarily decided to re-write the definition of marriage, removing any reference to male-female unions. Very timely for the Mass. courts, who used the occasion to stamp their approval on same-sex marriages.

All dictionaries, especially the legal dictionaries, always defined marriage as between one man and one women.

Same sexers now have a source to legitimicize their 'unions.'

I imagine Congress found it a godsend to realize they could call their new subjects 'citizens.' Heretofore, they were unable to because the capitalized word was reserved for Sovereigns in the U.S. Constitution prior to the mid 1800's, as you point out.

15 posted on 12/09/2012 8:45:04 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: dontreadthis

2A ping


16 posted on 12/10/2012 3:06:49 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

“well-regulated”=”well-equipped”

You almost got it right.

“Well-regulated” meant “well-equipped and competent in their use”.

In other words, the founders felt that a citizenry which could pick up an arm and be effective immediately would be the best possible manner by which our freedom would be protected.

They were correct in all particulars.


17 posted on 12/10/2012 7:12:52 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: ebshumidors

i am a member of the militia reserve... 50 year old willing to take a bullet so the young can triumph over evil...

but more willing to give a bullet to those who wish to see america fall.

teeman8R


18 posted on 12/10/2012 8:04:38 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: dontreadthis

Wait for 0 to redefine “arms”: knives no more than 1” long, air pistols, bow and arrow - arrows having a suction cup of color on the end rather than a steel tip.

Time for patriots to get organized folks. 2010 might be the last chance if the slobbering enemedia is right about Clinton in 2016.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 9:10:28 AM PST by tweakDU (Romney Ryan 2012 Vote!)
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To: Alaska Wolf
With the US Constitution and the law.

Two totally incompatible things today. The law today means whatever they say it means and that is variable because we abandoned Black's Law and decided precedent was supreme. Think about that, one corrupt Judge can set precedent and it becomes law unless the Supreme Court negates it, of God forbid congress actually do their job as employees of the People.

20 posted on 12/10/2012 3:13:55 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: itsahoot
Two totally incompatible things today

Is that so? Do you believe a relatively peaceful society can function without laws?

one corrupt Judge can set precedent and it becomes law

Can you explain that and provide a few examples?

21 posted on 12/10/2012 6:09:01 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
"Can you explain that and provide a few examples?"

Mass. courts re-defined the word, marriage. It's now the law in Massa chew sets. Any sex can now legally contract with any sex to have sex. That's what marriage is now in Massa chew sets. Multiple partners and legalized circle jerks next. Coming up next will be no age restrictions followed by marriage between man and beast then marriage between animal-animal, animal-human, human-volvo or even human-roller skates, human-dolphins, humans-teddy bears. What's to prevent it? Absolutely nothing, now that the bench has proven its supremacy over the Constitution and common sense.

22 posted on 12/11/2012 10:55:57 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
Mass. courts re-defined the word, marriage.

Not "one corrupt judge" as you asserted.

23 posted on 12/11/2012 11:52:48 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Can you explain that and provide a few examples?

Nope, not if you really have to ask, that might set a precedent.

24 posted on 12/11/2012 2:35:05 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: itsahoot
Nope

I suspected that would be the case.

25 posted on 12/11/2012 2:52:58 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
"Not "one corrupt judge" as you asserted. "

That wasn't my assertion. But it makes no difference anyway. One judge is as good as Fifty-one percent of 1,000 judges.

If you want to play the devil's advocate, go ahead, but please choose something that's more relevant and arguable.

26 posted on 12/11/2012 7:15:08 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Alaska Wolf

So what did you think of my posts 11 and 15? Anything you can agree with or worth commenting on, pro or con?


27 posted on 12/11/2012 7:31:23 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound; itsahoot
That wasn't my assertion.

I apologize, it was itsahoot's assertion.

One judge is as good as Fifty-one percent of 1,000 judges.

Not if the one judge is in the 49 percent.

28 posted on 12/11/2012 10:10:16 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Eastbound
So what did you think of my posts 11 and 15?

I agree that the Founding Fathers weren't perfect. They created a document with as much foresight as was possible at the time and under the circumstances.

29 posted on 12/11/2012 10:16:31 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: dontreadthis

Alternate valid interpretation:

The Founders were hesitant to have a standing army. They wanted the populace armed instead. They did grudgingly recognize that a country did in fact need a standing army. The 2nd Amendment’s preface acknowledges that a standing army (well regulated) is necessary, and that notwithstanding the people are still recognized as having a right to keep and bear arms. To wit, the presence of a standing army in no way precludes the people being armed.


30 posted on 12/12/2012 9:38:11 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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