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RedStates ^ | 9 Dec 2013 | Patrick Millsaps

Posted on 12/10/2012 4:46:10 AM PST by New Jersey Realist

Growing up in the South means that you were raised on Coca-Cola. We don’t just call Coke, “Coke,” we call every soda made “Coke.” We believe Coke tastes better in a glass bottle than it does in a can. Every true Southerner has tried the unique concoction of drinking Coke with peanuts (in the bottle). We love Coca-Cola.

However, in the early 1980’s, Pepsi starting outselling Coke. After a few years of hand wringing and worry, on April 23, 1985, the Coca Cola Company—and this is still emotionally straining as I write this–abandoned its century old formula and introduced—sigh—“New Coke.” Oh sure, the consultants said it would be a great idea. The experts believed Coke needed to make a change to compete with Pepsi. Even the polling of focus groups told Coke executives that America would overwhelmingly prefer that new, sweeter mixture. It flopped.

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Great analogy.
1 posted on 12/10/2012 4:46:12 AM PST by New Jersey Realist
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To: New Jersey Realist
I see a problem with this analogy right off the bat.Back then,Pepsi wasn't being given away.Today's “Pepsi” is being given away...and you and I are paying for it.
2 posted on 12/10/2012 5:13:42 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Except that the heart of the analogy is Coke versus the new Coke - the pepsi part of the analogy is mostly irrelevant.


3 posted on 12/10/2012 5:29:35 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Except that the heart of the analogy is Coke versus the new Coke - the pepsi part of the analogy is mostly irrelevant.

The Pepsi part is *not* irrelevant.When given the choice between free Pepsi and not-free Coke,regardless of how it's formulated,many,*many* people will choose the Pepsi.

Have you ever been to Detroit? Or the Bronx? I have...recently.Lots and lots of "Pepsi" drinkers there.

An even more fitting analogy to describe our current dilemma would be one featuring Santa Claus.

4 posted on 12/10/2012 5:36:51 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: New Jersey Realist

Back then, my dad drove a Pepsi truck. Naturally, we were a Pepsi family. The rivalry was intense, right down to how many aisles you got on the supermarket shelves. Pepsi, in the 10 oz. bottle and Coke in the 6 1/2 oz. both cost a nickel. The 16 oz. Pepsi sold for a dime.

Summers during high school, I worked with my dad, hauling those heavy wooden crates and metal cartons for 12 hours a day, got me in shape.

My problem with the analogy is, unlike Coke and Pepsi, what we are seeing isthe suicide of the Whigs rather than a well-thought out plan. Sure, New Coke failed, but there waws a busines decision involved. With the Whigs, it’s “Can’t we all just get along”.


5 posted on 12/10/2012 5:38:07 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Today's "Pepsi" is being given away...

And like anything that's free, you get what you pay for.

6 posted on 12/10/2012 5:44:14 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: New Jersey Realist

When I was in college there was vending machine outside of a gas station that vended Coke in glass bottles. Apparently some genius had figured out how to set the machine to keep the Coke at 32.50 degrees. It was the best soda I have ever had. That first swig was breathtaking.

I miss that.


7 posted on 12/10/2012 5:49:39 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: New Jersey Realist
In my opinion, the GOP is as dead as “New Coke”. As i was reading this column, I started thinking about Republican Presidents. I am in my 70s and when I think back there is only two that I can say I still admire.
Two in 70+ years?
Then think back over the past 112 years. Three. Three?
How many Democrat Presidents from the same period do you think are still admired and respected by the Democrat rank & file?
My guess is every one of them. Seven, I think.
8 posted on 12/10/2012 5:56:02 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: buffaloguy

I have a fairly old-school bottle machine, dates from about 1981 or ‘82. I mostly keep beer in it, with one row of cokes.

It holds 34F pretty nicely.


9 posted on 12/10/2012 5:59:57 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You are too invested in proving the imperfection of the analogy to realize the validity of it in part. The article was mainly about the coke-new coke part of the equation from the POV of the coke fans. On that point, the analogy does hold.

Now, whether either will overtake the “free” pepsi is a related topic, but not the point of the article. That won’t be the main issue until first the “coke v new coke” discussion is settled. So the analogy isn’t perfect, but again, on the main point, the immediate point, it is valid.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 6:00:20 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Tupelo

You make an interesting point about admired Presidents, but I am not sure it is relevant.

Conservatives are far less likely to admire any politician for any reason, because basically we want to be left alone by them. Libs and Democrats will admire politicians they vote for because they are consumed by government to their very core. Thus, I don’t think in the end it is a meaningful comparison that you have made, though it is interesting.


11 posted on 12/10/2012 6:02:36 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Tupelo

I think back there is only two that I can say I still admire.
Two in 70+ years?............................ There can only be 2 in 70+ years, Ike and Reagan come to mind.


12 posted on 12/10/2012 6:05:31 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: Tupelo

I think that you are wrong. The real need that we didn’t fulfill for the electorate was that we did not provide a charismatic individual as a candidate. Facts no longer suffice and we will have to work a bit harder to bring those individuals to the fore who have the ability to inspire people to greatness. Romney did not do that.

Some insight might be gained by reading “The Fourth Great Awakening”. It is one of the best American history books ever written and the last chapter deals with this very issue.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 6:06:35 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy

I grew up in the mountains of NC,and the thrill of putting a “peanut chew” in a Pepsi bottle was akin to a small volcanic reaction! Sprayed the girls over 10 feet away ; ).


14 posted on 12/10/2012 6:23:41 AM PST by primatreat ("waitnn in du wings for me "obama EBT free money card. Hope the postman don't snitch it!)
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To: buffaloguy
That first swig was breathtaking.

And every swig of Pepsi thereafter was flat.

15 posted on 12/10/2012 6:29:51 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Tupelo
Then think back over the past 112 years. Three. Three?

Would you be referring to Ron, Ike and Abe? On the rat side the only one I had any respect for is Truman. He left the white house hardly a rich man, packed his own things and lived off an Army pension. But perhaps I like him more because most rats hated him.

16 posted on 12/10/2012 6:31:47 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
Today's “Pepsi” is being given away.

It would have to get cheaper than that if they expect me to drink it.

17 posted on 12/10/2012 6:32:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: buffaloguy

Nothing like an icy cold bottle of Coke. I sure miss that too! A can just doesn’t do it! Thank God beer still comes in bottles.


18 posted on 12/10/2012 6:33:39 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: NTHockey

You are correct. Getting along is not what makes this country great. We have a two party system for a reason. If we all agree like the pubbies want to do now it just turns off the conservatives which is the real heart of the GOP - OR at least it used to be that way.

But just like the best bad decision Coke ever made eventually brought Coke to #1 again could happen to the GOP. We just have to get rid of people like Rove, Coulter and the rest of the middle of the roaders! When people finally realise that even government cannot spend more than it takes in we’ll begin to see a turnaround. Even the dumbest person I know knows that you can’t kill the golden goose and expect success in the future. This is the message the GOP has to say every minute of every day. Until then I will stay home on election day like millions of us did a few weeks ago.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 6:45:08 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: primatreat

I haven’t had a Pepsi in over 30 years. Pepsi is about the only American pop one could buy in Saudi Arabia; Faygo showed up just before my tour ended. Vernon’s ginger ale was always my favorite pop. Coca-Cola was on the Saudi’s boycott list because Coke operated a bottling plant in Israel.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 6:54:55 AM PST by Ax ("Bring the Pikes Together for the Risin' o' the Moon.")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
You are too invested in proving the imperfection of the analogy to realize the validity of it in part.

I didn't reject the analogy as being completely invalid,just noticeably flawed...as previously noted.

The article was mainly about the coke-new coke part of the equation from the POV of the coke fans. On that point, the analogy does hold.

Got it.

Now, whether either will overtake the “free” Pepsi is a related topic, but not the point of the article. That won’t be the main issue until first the “coke v new coke” discussion is settled.

Ah,but that's where you're wrong.I do understand that new vs old coke is the main theme of this piece but the importance of that pales in comparison to the question "how do we run against Santa Claus?". Except,perhaps,for the "Romney was a Commie atheist" crowd,a crowd which,although Romney wasn't my first (or even third) choice,I absolutely refused to pal around with.

So the analogy isn’t perfect, but again, on the main point, the immediate point, it is valid.

The analogy,as far as it goes,is very worthy of consideration *after* the Santa Claus issue is resolved.On this vital issue we place the cart before the horse here at the nation's peril.

21 posted on 12/10/2012 7:11:52 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Tupelo
I started thinking about Republican Presidents. I am in my 70s and when I think back there are only two that I can say I still admire.
Two in 70+ years?
Then think back over the past 112 years. Three.

I admire several over the past 112 years--McKinley, a strong president who respected the constitutional limits on the office, Roosevelt for his foreign and defense policy, Harding and Coolidge for cutting taxes and the size and scope of government, Hoover mainly for his accomplishments outside of government, Eisenhower for building a strong defense, Nixon for saving Israel, and, of courrse, Ronaldus Maximus. I'm not too hot on Ford and the Bushes.

22 posted on 12/10/2012 7:42:08 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: NTHockey
Pepsi, in the 10 oz. bottle and Coke in the 6 1/2 oz. both cost a nickel.

The original Pepsi singing jingle said, and I quote "Pepsi Cola hits the spot. Twelve full ounces, that's a lot. Twice as much and for a nickle too. You know Pepsi is the drink for you."

Back in the depression days, getting twice as much cola for a nickle was really something. I loved the jingle. Didn't care much for the cola so our family stuck with Coke (or Co-Cola as these Georgians pronounce it).

I'm simply questioning the 10 oz bottle you mentioned when the original jingle said 12 oz.

23 posted on 12/10/2012 8:43:50 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Give me a Pepsi Free.

You want a Pepsi, pal, you're gonna pay for it.

24 posted on 12/10/2012 8:49:14 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: New Jersey Realist
However, in the early 1980’s, Pepsi starting outselling Coke. After a few years of hand wringing and worry, on April 23, 1985, the Coca Cola Company—and this is still emotionally straining as I write this–abandoned its century old formula and introduced—sigh—“New Coke.”

Notice that he is careful not to say "original" formula, and most of us know why.

25 posted on 12/10/2012 9:00:13 AM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Erasmus

Come to think of it, the author is also impying that the “century old formula” contained corn syrup instead of sugar.


26 posted on 12/10/2012 9:02:00 AM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: buffaloguy

I phoned in a complaint about our coke vending machine at work.

It was set to under 32 fahrenheit, so when you untwisted the bottle cap, foam would flow out and the coke would turn to slush. The only reasonable way to drink it was to let the unopened bottle thaw out for 10 or 15 minutes.


27 posted on 12/10/2012 9:05:51 AM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Ole Okie

From grammar school:

Pepsi-Cola hits the spot
Ten minutes later you’re on the pot
Push the button, pull the chain
There goes Pepsi down the drain


28 posted on 12/10/2012 9:13:09 AM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Ah,but that's where you're wrong.I do understand that new vs old coke is the main theme of this piece but the importance of that pales in comparison to the question "how do we run against Santa Claus?

First, I enjoy the give and take we are having. Second, I would only say that while you are right, the ultimate battle is us versus Santa Claus -- However, not every single conversation, or article, will address that. Nor should it.

I bet the writer of this article would agree with you on that - but I take the article on the face value of what it was about: which was only the battle from the POV of Coke drinkers. It is intellectually flawed to assume every article will address every issue. They will not, and they cannot.

FWIW, Rush jsut more or less agreed with me on air...

29 posted on 12/10/2012 9:37:35 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: NTHockey
I remember this: Pepsi Cola hits the spot, 12 full ounces that's a lot, get more value for a nickel too, Pepsi cola is the one for you.

Back in the 50s and 60s, Pepsi in CA was a bigger seller than Coke, not because it was free but simply because people liked the way it tastes.

30 posted on 12/10/2012 9:51:43 AM PST by calex59
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To: dfwgator

No Pepsi Free? OK, then, just give me a Tab.


31 posted on 12/10/2012 10:40:35 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Erasmus

Mom just get me a Pepsi, please
All I want is a Pepsi, and she wouldn’t give it to me
All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn’t give it to me.
Just a Pepsi.


32 posted on 12/10/2012 11:01:41 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Ole Okie; calex59

Pepsi indeed was sold in 12 oz. bottles. Age dims the memories a bit.


33 posted on 12/10/2012 1:16:09 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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