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Who Goes Obama?
American Thinker ^ | December 10, 2012 | Cindy Simpson

Posted on 12/10/2012 6:24:09 AM PST by Sallyven

In 1941, Harpers Magazine published a fascinating article by writer Dorothy Thompson titled: "Who Goes Nazi?"

Seventy years later, we're asking the question: "Who goes Obama?"

(Before the reader is shocked that this article dares mention "Nazi" and "Obama" on the same page, don't worry -- there will be no comparison of Obama to Nazis here. I will only mention that both fascism and modern liberalism are, at heart, ideologies that fall at the statist end of the political spectrum. So bear with me a moment.)

In "Who Goes Nazi?" Ms. Thompson thoughtfully described and evaluated the personalities of each of the various attendees at a gathering at which she was a guest. She explained:

It is an interesting and somewhat macabre parlor game to play at a large gathering of one's acquaintances: to speculate who in a showdown would go Nazi... I have come to know the types: the born Nazis, the Nazis whom democracy itself has created, the certain-to-be fellow-travelers. And I also know those who never, under any conceivable circumstances, would become Nazis. (snip)

... She answered: "Their race, color, creed, or social condition is not the criterion. It is something in them....Sometimes I think there are direct biological factors at work...[snip] He has been fed vitamins and filled with energies that are beyond the capacity of his intellect to discipline. He has been treated to forms of education which have released him from inhibitions. His body is vigorous. His mind is childish. His soul has been almost completely neglected.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama
From the article: "Those chilling words were written decades ago, yet they seem to describe much of today's society. For a real jolt, reread Thompson's article, replacing Nazi wherever it appears with "Obama-supporter." Besides being a very politically incorrect exercise, the uncomfortable parallels are inescapable: both statist ideologies, besides being led by riveting personalities, seem to appeal to childish minds -- many of them highly educated -- whose souls have been neglected."
1 posted on 12/10/2012 6:24:22 AM PST by Sallyven
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To: Sallyven

Cultural decadence follows when individuals lose their virtue. Widespread drug use, fornication, and a lack of personal responsibility are now the norm. The popular culture and and political outcomes simply follow. Obama is no accident or fluke. He sadly does reflect the “values” of the majority.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 6:36:52 AM PST by allendale
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To: allendale

Atlas Shrugged........nuf said


3 posted on 12/10/2012 6:38:11 AM PST by sniper63 (If Obama pats himself on the back anymore, his shoulder will dislocate.....)
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To: allendale

Yep...Why act responsibly, why work and play by the rules, when you can act irresponsibly, sit on your ass and break the law, and get REWARDED for it?


4 posted on 12/10/2012 6:41:48 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Sallyven

BFL


5 posted on 12/10/2012 6:43:42 AM PST by ransomnote
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To: Sallyven

The Nazis were the National Socialist Party. The Nazis wanted to grab everyone’s guns.

Socialism, gun grabbing. No parallels with Obama here. Not at all.

Do I need a “sarc” tag?


6 posted on 12/10/2012 6:50:48 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: Sallyven

“What can we do to win your vote?”

I just wonder what the answers will be to that question as I begin this parlor game in my town.


7 posted on 12/10/2012 6:51:17 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: Sallyven

Its a messianic cult of personality.


8 posted on 12/10/2012 6:52:30 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Sallyven
The percentage of actual leftists i.e. people who want to destroy capitalist America among the Obama voters is actually not that large. A very large percentage are like my three dippy, lib sisters who are deathly afraid 16 year old girls might not be able to get an abortion. Or my Dem friends and co-workers who firmly believe it's just not "fair" that someone has a dollar more than they do. Another very large percentage of Obamatons are the Hollyweird and other super-rich libs and libertines for whom it is hip to vote for Democrats. And then there's simply the pitifully ignorant and greedy who think America owes them something.

I'm afraid the only thing that would convince all these malcontents and ignoramuses to ditch King Baractacus is living in the fully socialist country which Emperor Obama wants all Americans to live. After about two to five years, most of the malcontents would be screaming to get out of The Socialist States of America.

9 posted on 12/10/2012 7:17:28 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Sallyven

We like to think otherwise, but our species, Homo sapiens, is not that long out of the trees and the same laws of nature that affect all of God’s creatures apply equally to us. If we were to observe any other species that had been allowed to reproduce without limitations, we would know immediately what the consequences will be.

Whenever the weak; lazy; and stupid of a species is allowed to reproduce unimpeded by predators that feed off the weak; lazy; and stupid, they soon outnumber the strong, quick, and intelligent. After a while, the entire population becomes weak; lazy; stupid, and then the population collapses. When this collapse occurs within human populations, it’s referred to as a “Malthusian Collapse.”

These collapses have occurred at frequent intervals throughout human history, and Western Civilization is, in my humble opinion, currently on the cusp of one of these collapses.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 7:22:48 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Correct! Most Americans mistakenly think of Nazis as far right, but they’re actually far left.

Democrats have always been the party of slavery and fascism. Today it’s no different.


11 posted on 12/10/2012 7:29:09 AM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Sallyven

For those interested in what Thompson had to say, I would (very highly) recommend her book “Dorothy Thompson’s Political Guide”. In this short, well-written effort, she distinguishes true liberal thought from collectivism in any of its manifestations.

Dare I say it would make a fine Christmas gift for students, perhaps especially those prone to confusing Obama’s spirit-crushing, soul-draining, idiocy with actual social progress?


12 posted on 12/10/2012 7:30:13 AM PST by drwoof
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To: allendale
Cultural decadence follows when individuals lose their virtue.

Exactly. As Thompson points out, those who "go Nazi" have "underdeveloped souls." That is, they have never become fully individualized persons who have an internalized ethical and moral code and live in a mental cosmology where individual actions are important and where goodness and absolutes really do exist. So why not "go Nazi" and let the state make all your decisions for you (based on what is expedient for the state)?

13 posted on 12/10/2012 7:35:20 AM PST by livius
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To: AlanGreenSpam

The Right/Left thing is probably less meaningful than a Statist/Non-statist spectrum.


14 posted on 12/10/2012 7:35:44 AM PST by expat2
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To: Sallyven

Worth printing out and studying.


15 posted on 12/10/2012 7:42:19 AM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Sallyven
When people lose their humility, they become prey to every kind of fanaticism.

Every fanaticism is dangerous, even for people who know them to be fanatical and who reject them.

Our President lacks humility altogether. He recognizes the power of nothing and no one outside or above himself. He is an arrogant and small-minded person.

“There is no respect for others without humility in one’s self.” Henri Frederic Amiel

These people are very dangerous ‘leaders’, if they can be said to ‘lead’ at all.

16 posted on 12/10/2012 7:46:57 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

“What can we do to win your vote?”

Good point. This should be the focal question going forward for any political party.
At present, I don’t see the R party’s plan for answering this question. The focus of the R party seems to be, “How can we rid ourselves of some of our voters?” instead of “How can we retain and grow our voter numbers?” Despite that, it is useful to consider the individual’s motivation to vote. It is an individual activity, done in secret. Therefore, the major psych theories that explain the translation of an attitude into a vote aren’t entirely useful—I am referring, for example, to those theories that have a social norms component. If we look at Expectancy Theory, we might learn some things about secret voter motivation. Expectancy says a person must believe they can vote for your party (that was enhanced by the Dem’s when they pushed early voting and motor voter registrations). The voter must then believe their is a positive vote outcome—This means they get their student loan paid off, welfare payments, free phones, etc., while not having to pay for any of it. The Dem’s are good at that but an opposition party can also do these things but in a different way. If the opposition party (let’s call them “R”) emphasizes the personal cost of voting being higher with a vote for the other guy and lower if the vote is case for R, then the motivation can change. Ridicule of people who vote for the opposition is a useful tool, too. Everyone wants to think they are smart, despite how they act or how educated they are. Make voting for the opposition look stupid and make opposition voters look stupid. Make voting for your team look smart. That is easy to do and is low cost. There is lots more you can do but mild, no offense, tactics are uninspiring and won’t motivate a voter. Simple, catchy messages that signal voting for you is the smart thing to do, personally and as a citizen, are good to repeat.
Just my 2 cents of recommendations.


17 posted on 12/10/2012 7:49:40 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Sallyven

I am concerned by a number of people who seem to believe that giving the left what it wants in sky-high taxes and laws supporting bad behavior will result in the left being shocked to their senses and lead them to a sane, conservative way of life. History doesn’t provide evidence for that. More likely is that, even in the event of a societal collapse due to their own choices, the left would simply continue in that path or bounce from one messy government to another. Centuries of miserable existence are typical of such societies and there are many nations that provide evidence of this.


18 posted on 12/10/2012 7:59:26 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Sallyven
[Art.] I will only mention that both fascism and modern liberalism are, at heart, ideologies that fall at the statist end of the political spectrum. So bear with me a moment.

The author can't do that fairly, and still escape the clutches of Godwin's Law. Which last was invented by liberals to keep themselves from being appraised fairly.

19 posted on 12/10/2012 8:21:06 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

[Art.] I will only mention that both fascism and modern liberalism are, at heart, ideologies that fall at the statist end of the political spectrum. So bear with me a moment.
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Obama is a National Socialist

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2116981/posts

Skip to comments. Obama is a National Socialist · www.freerepublic.com ^ | October 27, 2008 | Kevmo. Posted on 10/27/2008 5:19:47 PM PDT by Kevmo ...


20 posted on 12/10/2012 8:25:08 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: SMARTY
“There is no respect for others without humility in one’s self.” Henri Frederic Amiel

I've heard it said the other way around: that only people who do not respect themselves, disrespect and abuse other people.

21 posted on 12/10/2012 8:30:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kevmo
Obama is a National Socialist

At which point the liberal leaps to his feet, cries "Godwin's Law! Game Over!" and leaves to go have a beer before things get really interesting.

22 posted on 12/10/2012 8:33:11 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

Humility and pathological self-loathing aren’t the same


23 posted on 12/10/2012 9:14:32 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: allendale

“Obama is no accident or fluke.”
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Exactly! He may flatter himself that he is a great mover and shaker but in reality he is a puppet and is only the SYMPTOM of what is wrong in the same way that a fever is a symptom of a bad case of influenza or a bloated belly is a symptom of an addiction to sitting on the couch drinking beer, eating pizza and watching TV at every single opportunity. Obama is a symptom of a national electorate which has become willfully ignorant, lazy and very foolish. We have a country full of pathetic dullards who imagine themselves to be brilliant and well educated thinkers. Many of them sport high school diplomas, undergraduate degrees and even, in some cases, graduate degrees but a large percentage would be laughed out of a public school eighth grade classroom circa 1960 or earlier.


24 posted on 12/10/2012 9:48:23 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Some people who were very much against Obama still said after the 2008 election that they didn’t think he should be compared to Hitler or Mussolini, it just was not a valid comparison. Even then I said that in my opinion it IS a valid comparison. I suspect that most of those may have changed their opinion now that we are farther down the road.


25 posted on 12/10/2012 9:51:55 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: Sallyven
For example, imagine a dinner-party-scene where the Obama-phone lady was suddenly aware that Obama-money had run out, and she was seated next to Eddie Murphy when he just heard he would be hit with a 75% tax rate.

I cannot imagine the "Obama-phone lady" attending any kind of dinner party.

Not even one where Eddie Murphy was a guest.

And I guess whoever wrote this article can't tell Eddie Murphy from Will Smith.

She must have massive boulders between her ears.

26 posted on 12/10/2012 10:06:30 AM PST by x
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To: lentulusgracchus
The author can't do that fairly, and still escape the clutches of Godwin's Law. Which last was invented by liberals to keep themselves from being appraised fairly.

Godwin's Law -- "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" -- was an empirical observation of Internet discussions. Later on, it was taken as implying that any discussion was finished when comparisons to Hitler were made, but that wasn't Godwin's original intent.

You may be thinking of the Reductio ad Hitlerum -- trying to refute an opponent's view by comparing it to a view that would be held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. When that phrase was coined (by Leo Strauss of all people) comparisons with Hitler were far more common on the left, and directed against conservatives. Have you really forgotten those days?

Whatever you call it, avoiding gratuitous comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis is a wise policy. What's objectionable in this article is that she tries to have it both ways, implying a comparison and then backing out, saying in effect "Oh, of course I wouldn't do that, heh-heh." She doesn't have the guts to go with the comparison if it expresses her thinking or the good sense to avoid using it if it's not what she means.

27 posted on 12/10/2012 10:25:23 AM PST by x
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To: Sallyven

What is fascinating about these exercizes put out by American Thinker and ilk like it seeking to prove that Obama is a socialist is like having your dog barking after the thief has left your premises empty ....We already know Obama is a socialist ...what the public must be made aware of is what disasters await US now ....AND HOW ANY WHY OBAMA GOT TO THIS POINT....

What


28 posted on 12/10/2012 10:36:19 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: iacovatx

Too bad we’re so short of patriots. If citizens voted for what is best for the country instead of what they feel is best for themselves things would be different.

Of course, this human frailty is the same reason the coming communism won’t work either.


29 posted on 12/10/2012 7:00:25 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: lentulusgracchus

That’s fine with me. Let him have his beer and lose the debate.

Did you read the original article? It does not support an invocation of Godwin’s law.


30 posted on 12/10/2012 8:59:04 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: lentulusgracchus

That’s fine with me. Let him have his beer and lose the debate.

Did you read the original article? It does not support an invocation of Godwin’s law.


31 posted on 12/10/2012 8:59:09 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: lentulusgracchus

That’s fine with me. Let him have his beer and lose the debate.

Did you read the original article? It does not support an invocation of Godwin’s law.


32 posted on 12/10/2012 8:59:09 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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A triple post? Something’s really been wrong with FR software lately. I only hit ‘post’ once.


33 posted on 12/10/2012 9:00:51 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: x
I wasn't aware that, for purposes of discussion, a full quotation was necessary. </Sherman>

You've supplied the correct quotation; but I was referring to the explanatory scholia appended thereto, in what I believe is an authoritative source, here:

http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/Godwins-Law.html

Linked at that site is an archived Wired article by Mike Godwin in which he discusses his development and utterance of the Law, which for convenience is here:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if_pr.html

...comparisons with Hitler were far more common on the left, and directed against conservatives. Have you really forgotten those days?

No. Godwin's intent was to invent a counter to the Nazi meme (Reductio ad Hitlerum which you cited). His intention was to resolemnize the Nazi Holocaust by driving out what he regarded as a trivializing, and therefore bad, meme.

I regard Godwin as a liberal, but in retrospect I shouldn't have overspecified that Godwin's Law is a liberal project, since Godwin intended it to be used for a slightly different purpose than that to which online liberals have put it, viz., another discussion-limiting gimmick, just as they used the reductionist argument Godwin wanted to abate, in the way you reference.

The problem with Godwin's project is that, while his intention was benevolent, nevertheless in an age of megalomania and mass slaughters, it is often necessary to discuss and compare various political systems with the Nazi system they consciously ape.

Hitlerism is, quite simply, the gold standard of monstrosity and unintended consequences.

34 posted on 12/10/2012 10:36:07 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kevmo
Ping to my last.

Re the triple post, you can send a private FReepmail to "Sidebar Administrator" and request the extra posts be deleted. I usually do.

35 posted on 12/10/2012 10:38:25 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kevmo
Did you read the original article? It does not support an invocation of Godwin’s law.

Actually, I wasn't replying directly to the article, but to a comment by another FReeper, q.v. above.

36 posted on 12/10/2012 10:42:45 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Sallyven

Obama got the Good German Vote, no doubt about it. Republicans and Conservatives are the “new” Jews circa 1936.

They have been emboldened with the Reelection of Obama. Things will only get progressively worse as the second Obama Term drones on.

The Democrats would rather have Republicans and Conservatives destroyed before they would wish the same on Jihadists and the Taliban.


37 posted on 12/10/2012 11:07:13 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (As they say in China, erections have consequences...)
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