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A Lost Civilization
New York Times ^ | December 8, 2012 | MAUREEN DOWD

Posted on 12/10/2012 7:44:36 AM PST by Seizethecarp

Instead of smallpox, plagues, drought and Conquistadors, the Republican decline will be traced to a stubborn refusal to adapt to a world where poor people and sick people and black people and brown people and female people and gay people count.

As the historian Will Durant observed, “A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; romney
Yup. This is what Mo Dowd actually wrote! I don't think she meant for it to come out that way. In Dowd's analogy the "great civilization" being destroyed is the GOP, but she accidentally states the truth: The Obama win is America being destroyed from within by overpromising entitlements to all of the grievance/dependency groups Dowd lists.

Where was her editor to protect her from herself? Laid off probably.

1 posted on 12/10/2012 7:44:39 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Dowd also predicts the following:

“But history will no doubt record that withering Republicans were finally wiped from the earth in 2016 when the relentless (and rested) Conquistadora Hillary marched in, General Bill on a horse behind her, and finished them off.”


2 posted on 12/10/2012 7:48:54 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Again with the labels. Black people, brown people, gay people etc.

Whatever happened to .... hold on to your hats .... treating people as just people?

By creating categories of people the left divides them, dehumanizes them, and marginalizes them. But they are too stupid to see it or too evil to admit it.


3 posted on 12/10/2012 7:49:40 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Seizethecarp
"a stubborn refusal to adapt to a world where poor people and sick people and black people and brown people and female people and gay people count"

Any article beginning with a sentence this stupid should be grounds for dismissal

But this is an arm of the Democrap Propaganda Ministry, so she is actually doing a perfect job.

5 posted on 12/10/2012 7:52:39 AM PST by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Seizethecarp

The republicans will indeed decline to oblivion because the last republican cojone shrunk into nothingness years ago.

However, the NYT will go the way of the Yugo before the repubs do...and the reason for that will be a total lack of any measurable IQ.

As for conservatism, we will rise from the ashes following CW-II.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 7:53:18 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Seizethecarp

Black people, brown people, poor people and women people count but that does not mean they have rights to what I produce. They have the right to produce for themselves and keep their produce so butt out and leave my property alone.


7 posted on 12/10/2012 7:53:57 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Seizethecarp

Interesting opinion piece but mostly made up of lies. But that’s what liberals do - lie.

Ho hum.


8 posted on 12/10/2012 7:56:05 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Mr. K

The only thing that is stopping the world body at the UN from taking over the western world is white middle class America and Israel.

Sad, but true.


9 posted on 12/10/2012 7:56:22 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: Seizethecarp
If we discard morality and substitute for it the Collectivist doctrine of unlimited majority rule, if we accept the idea that a majority may do anything it pleases, and that anything done by a majority is right because it’s done by a majority (this being the only standard of right and wrong)—how are men to apply this in practice to their actual lives? Who is the majority? In relation to each particular man, all other men are potential members of that majority which may destroy him at its pleasure at any moment. Then each man and all men become enemies; each has to fear and suspect all; each must try to rob and murder first, before he is robbed and murdered.If we discard morality and substitute for it the Collectivist doctrine of unlimited majority rule, if we accept the idea that a majority may do anything it pleases, and that anything done by a majority is right because it’s done by a majority (this being the only standard of right and wrong)—how are men to apply this in practice to their actual lives? Who is the majority? In relation to each particular man, all other men are potential members of that majority which may destroy him at its pleasure at any moment. Then each man and all men become enemies; each has to fear and suspect all; each must try to rob and murder first, before he is robbed and murdered.

Ayn Rand

10 posted on 12/10/2012 7:57:20 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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Guess she still can’t get a man.


11 posted on 12/10/2012 8:09:18 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Seizethecarp

That old fossil Dowd is still alive?


12 posted on 12/10/2012 8:10:34 AM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Seizethecarp

Here ya' go, modo.

13 posted on 12/10/2012 8:13:59 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Good morning. Isn't there a special rule for Dowd threads?

5.56mm

14 posted on 12/10/2012 8:14:16 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Seizethecarp

Never got over that it was Monica and instead of her!


15 posted on 12/10/2012 8:14:27 AM PST by golf lover (going)
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To: Seizethecarp

Oh Good Lord what an IDIOT this women is.....


16 posted on 12/10/2012 8:15:21 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: fishtank
Tenths of seconds.

That was good.

5.56mm

17 posted on 12/10/2012 8:15:32 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Seizethecarp

“The Mayans were right, as it turns out, when they predicted the world would end in 2012. It was just a select world: the G.O.P. universe of arrogant, uptight, entitled, bossy, retrogressive white guys.”


18 posted on 12/10/2012 8:23:59 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Seizethecarp; All

The sad thing as I take the time to put this response together there will be at least 30 vacuous responses to your posting. Few will get or understand what the Obama policy on energy and the high cost of it is all about.
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Dowd’s right during the campaign did Romney go after this Obama policy which affects those Dowd aformentioned “demographics”? It’s the OPbama energy policy

You have a regime which by design go after a basic , as did Stalin do with the Kulacks with the distrubution of food. Which knowingly would drive up the costs and uses of all forms of energy creation and application using a pseudo scientific premise because it suited a socialist living style change matrix. Which by the way the Romney campaign did mention oncem but that was it.

Beside driving basic costs by prohibiting or regulating fuels which are used to create energy supply in all sources into unaffordable costs to the poor and downtrodden..Energy our most basic resource is being choked to support that concept . What’s even worse was the massive corrpution resulting from that regime doling out tons of funds towards its campaign donners for so called alternate forms which don’t work or are laughingly inefficient .

That pass by the Romney campaign was a huge mistake because this policy still remains intact and affects everyone. It is was a bread a butter issue that they didn’t want to to touch.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 8:28:35 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: Seizethecarp

I didn’t bother to read the article. But think it’s worth mentioning that if those in power who endorse and force population change, i.e. our current ruling class, are willing to do it by immigration/demonization of white Christians; it should be assumed they are willing to do it by the gun.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 8:34:21 AM PST by kreitzer
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To: Seizethecarp
Instead of smallpox, plagues, drought and Conquistadors, the Republican decline will be traced to a stubborn refusal to adapt to a world where poor people and sick people and black people and brown people and female people and gay people count. As the historian Will Durant observed, "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within."

Maureen, Maureen, Maureen..., there are people from each of these groups in the Republican party. And they came to the Republican party in part because we didn't single them out as in need of special attention.

These are not mentally deficient people here. These are people who are self-starters, and hard workers. They don't need anyone to kiss their ass. They provide for themselves, and think everyone should.

Now you sit down Maureen, take a few deep breaths, and try to gather your faculties together enough to grasp this.

21 posted on 12/10/2012 8:37:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Seizethecarp
refusal to adapt to a world where poor people and sick people and black people and brown people and female people and gay people tribalism counts.

Fixed.

22 posted on 12/10/2012 8:40:33 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: kreitzer

lol, in response to my own comment; decided to read article and her martial imagery celebrating Hillary wiping us out should be taken at face value; what wakes people up like Dowd, Holder, Jarrett, etc. to get out of bed in the morning is a genocidal hatred of white Christians.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 8:45:52 AM PST by kreitzer
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To: Seizethecarp
...the Republican decline will be traced to a stubborn refusal to adapt to a world where poor people and sick people and black people and brown people and female people and gay people count.

Never in my life have I heard a Republican state that his policies were just for me, a Caucasian male. I have heard them present ideas, but those ideas appealed to anyone who wanted a job, and needed to provide for their family.

Which of the above groups does Maureen think Republican politicians single out when they present sound policy? If they're advocating strong defense, is that at the expense of women? No, it's actually for women too. When a Republican advocates for less regulation so there will be more jobs, is that to the exclusion of businesses that would hire Blacks? When a Republican advocates better schools, is that to the exclusion of schools with homosexuals in them?

Maureen, you're such a dumb ass. You should be heralding the fact that Republicans see everyone as equal. Instead you're trashing the party for not seeing everyone different.

You're a loser Maureen.

24 posted on 12/10/2012 8:46:34 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Lion Den Dan

Ditto: I wonder what would happen if all the money donated to charitable causes were withheld (no more charity)and all
those who volunteer for various causes, stopped volunteering, could the government possibly fill the gap that would be created if this were to happen? I have no way to prove this but I would theorize that all charitable donations and all volunteerism would equal the national budget. Can you imagine the productivity of the nation when you consider these two elements along with the taxation we endure. I wonder if increased taxation will, in any way have an adverse effect on charity and volunteerism? The law of unintended consequences may be hard at work here. Who knows?


25 posted on 12/10/2012 8:52:52 AM PST by greyfox (If I were a Democrat I'd be pushing for the fairness doctrine too.)
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To: Seizethecarp

What people have to keep in mind about Maureen Dowd is that she’s just the latest in a long line of radical feminist scribblers who were only hired because they were wacky, leftist females. Like the moron before her, Anna Quindlen, Dowd is just another snarky, rad-feminist ideologue who quite unable to compose a coherent sentence. She doesn’t understand the country she was born in, and she never will.


26 posted on 12/10/2012 8:53:00 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Seizethecarp

I’m sure the suck-ups at the New York Times would tell Democrats they needed to become more like Republicans when they lose an election. Well, not really... it’s not that the MSM is a biased hateful knee jerk liberal elite group that’s a ‘blame whitey firster’ - nope it’s that they have a double standard and they’re braindead.


27 posted on 12/10/2012 8:55:02 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama's team - a 'blame whitey firster' group....)
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To: Seizethecarp

People counting is one thing. People counting your money in their pockets is another.


28 posted on 12/10/2012 8:56:23 AM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: Mr. K
"a stubborn refusal to adapt to a world where poor people and sick people and black people and brown people and female people and gay people count".....

That is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard, yet it also has the element of truth in it. She is SADLY projecting the truth that the MAKERS are spitefully not going to produce income or children to fulfill their Utopian dreams, and there is nothing they can do about it.

My grandchildren (the Makers) do not want to have children, and they are not alone in this. For reasons other than economic as well.

29 posted on 12/10/2012 8:58:10 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Seizethecarp

“black people and brown people and female people and gay people count.”

Are we missing anyone? Do wite men count?


30 posted on 12/10/2012 9:00:16 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: Seizethecarp

“black people and brown people and female people and gay people count.”

Are we missing anyone? Don’t white men count?


31 posted on 12/10/2012 9:00:42 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: Seizethecarp
...the Republican decline will be traced to a stubborn refusal to adapt to a world where poor people and sick people and black people and brown people and female people and gay people count.

I live in this culture - Dowd has listed the ONLY people who 'count' to the MSM... I'd like to know about the 'others' - the ones who don't count to the MSM...

32 posted on 12/10/2012 9:06:48 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama's team - a 'blame whitey firster' group....)
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To: Lion Den Dan
but that does not mean they have rights to what I produce."""""........

That is precisely why she is so angry, she believes they do and you/we are just being spiteful by not playing along.

Know what? The way this article is written, I have to believe they know there is a silent protest going on right now.

That protest is more and more American refusing to work harder, more and more refusing to have more children for their benefit. They too see the writing on the wall. I love it and we seem to be in their face for once, they can have the Crumbs of what we leave behind.

This article tells me they are scared of what they PRODUCED. rofl. I plan to be more spiteful in the future.

33 posted on 12/10/2012 9:07:21 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Seizethecarp
Genesis 13:13

Now the people of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20

Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous

Genesis 19:24

Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens.

Deuteronomy 29:23

The whole land will be a burning waste of salt and sulfur—nothing planted, nothing sprouting, no vegetation growing on it. It will be like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboyim, which the LORD overthrew in fierce anger.

Isaiah 1:10

Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the instruction of our God, you people of Gomorrah!

Jude 1:7

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Revelation 11:8

Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.

34 posted on 12/10/2012 9:08:45 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

These marxists never believed any of that “content of your character” stuff. It was just a lie they were selling to white folks. Now that people of European origin proudly stand up and parrot that lie 24 hours a day they are laughing. They never intended to hold hands and sing in harmony around the world. They just wanted to take what white men built. Continuing to throw their old lies back in their face means nothing to them at this point.


35 posted on 12/10/2012 9:09:08 AM PST by The Toll
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To: greyfox
I have no way to prove this but I would theorize that all charitable donations and all volunteerism would equal the national budget.

I can't prove it either, but I can disprove it.

"Charitable contributions by individuals, foundations, bequests, and corporations reached $298.42 billion in 2011"

That's a lot of money, but it's less than half of the annual entitlement budget and it covers a much wider set of issues than the entitlement budget. Basically, if the charitable sector dried up, it would be painful, but the pain would probably be highly localized and simply result in a call for an increase in government support.

36 posted on 12/10/2012 9:12:16 AM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: Mr. K

She is right.

We lost the Republic and now have a Democracy. That means the majority can now vote themselves money from the public trough, and their elected officials will do everything in their power to keep those troughs filled.

And for some reason the stupid b!+c# is glad of it.


37 posted on 12/10/2012 9:14:44 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Given the choice between living in Democrat dominated states (California or Illinois, for example) and ones where Republicans are in charge, we can see that the financial, criminal, social, educational, and any other category where government is involved are always worse where Democrats rule. Democrats and dysfunction go together like rum and coke.


38 posted on 12/10/2012 9:16:30 AM PST by elhombrelibre
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To: Seizethecarp

Uptight white guys should decide to stop pulling people like her out of burning buildings. I think she would look nice in a burqha. Why should we lift a finger to save her from her wishes.


39 posted on 12/10/2012 9:20:20 AM PST by The Toll
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To: Seizethecarp

America’s tipping point into the abyss can be traced to the point when the moochers, looters and inner city tribal parasites outnumbered the producers. The Republicans lost because you cannot beat Santa Claus.


40 posted on 12/10/2012 9:24:11 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: The Toll

For the most part I’m sure you are right. Which is not to say that at some point in history - for example the “I have a dream” speech - there may have been those that believed the words for a few moments in time. Or not. I’m not sure - I wasn’t there and none of us can reliably see into others’ hearts.

But as things have turned out - at the end of 2012 - you are clearly correct. It’s all about race, favored groups, stigmatized groups and robbing peter to pay paul. That is what our politics has devolved into.

But it may or may not have started out that way. I’m not smart enough to know for certain.


41 posted on 12/10/2012 9:25:09 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Seizethecarp
Dowd also predicts the following:

“But history will no doubt record that withering Republicans were finally wiped from the earth in 2016 when the relentless (and rested) Conquistadora Hillary marched in, General Bill on a horse behind her, and finished them off.”

Dowd is assuming that there will be elections in 2016. I am not. The Hildabeast looks like death warmed over now; just think how hideous she will look in 2016.

42 posted on 12/10/2012 9:28:20 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03; wardaddy
America's reset will be particularly harsh. In previous eras, bastard children were at risk of starvation, and few babies born of indigent, illiterate moms survived. As a result, 99% of young ladies learned to cross their legs, out of mortal fear of being an unwed mom.

We have reversed the "moral hazard" lessons of civilization, and we now pay the stupidest to breed the most. We have allowed the creation of entire generations of incapable useless unemployables. Millions cannot even work at McDonalds: they don't have the verbal or math skills, God help us.

So the return to Dickensian reality will be very harsh. Never before has there been such a bumper crop of moochers and parasites. When nobody is around to feed them, to give them EBT cards and make sure the stores are full, what will become of them?

The reset is going to be a bitch all around, but especially those with no brains, no skills, and no work ethic.


43 posted on 12/10/2012 1:07:10 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mr. Know It All

You have disproved nothing. You have conveniently overlooked a very important part of my assertion, that of volunteerism. The Government “taxpayer” could not produce enough revenue to pay volunteers for their work, even at 5.00 per hour. Before you answer you should look at the question and consider it in it’s totality and not just the part you wish to adress.


44 posted on 02/22/2013 6:56:44 AM PST by greyfox (If I were a Democrat I'd be pushing for the fairness doctrine too.)
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To: greyfox

Fine. You still have no data to support your speculation.


45 posted on 02/22/2013 7:51:32 AM PST by Mr. Know It All
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