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Why We Lost: The Big Picture
American Thinker ^ | By Jay Haug

Posted on 12/10/2012 8:09:07 AM PST by Perdogg

Critics of the Republican loss in the presidential election, which returned the status quo to Washington for another four years, have spent a number of weeks analyzing the reasons for the debacle. Pundits have put forth demographics, messaging, the Obama turnout machine, and a whole host of other assertions to show why Republicans must go back to the drawing board and reinvent themselves. No doubt this sifting process will continue for months to come. Though John F. Kennedy's oft-quoted dictum that "victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan" still holds true, it appears the orphans are having a national convention asking themselves, "Who's your daddy?" Now that Mitt Romney appears to be fading from the scene, Republicans have not quite decided either who will come off their fairly strong bench to lead the party, or what the Republican message for the future will be.

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1 posted on 12/10/2012 8:09:08 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

I’ll take “rampant fraud and Vichy Republicans,” Alex.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 8:23:38 AM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: Perdogg
What I think is amusing in a sad way is that the liberal media and the Republican establishment are both working together to paint the “radical” tea party as the reason Republicans lost in November. They seem to conveniently forget that Mitt Romney was the establishment candidate and the tea party was essentially told to shut up and go sit in the back of the bus as soon as Romney secured the nomination.
3 posted on 12/10/2012 8:24:08 AM PST by apillar
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To: Perdogg
We should have seen this coming under George W. Bush. When Karl Rove pointed out to him that unless he endorsed Medicare Part D, the prescription drug benefit, that he would lose the election, what was Bush to do? Never mind that it actually came in under budget or that its secret was competition between drug companies that drove down prices.

The author lost me with this statement. Medicare Part D represents an unfunded liability of $7.2 trillion. The premiums for Medicare Part D only cover 25% of the costs. The rest comes from the General Fund, which borrows 42 cents of every federal dollar spent.

The crap that Medicare Part D came "under budget" is part of the flawed GOP rhetoric that attempts to justify the welfare state. And now that Obamacare has closed the donut hole, the costs will increase.

4 posted on 12/10/2012 8:26:07 AM PST by kabar
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To: Perdogg
All the arguments in the article have valid points, and although I voted for him, I was critical of Romney's avoidance of making it an ideological campaign. Basically Willard the Bland's pitch was: he could run the welfare state better than Obama. Undoubtedly, Romney would be a far better president than Obama, but he was scared of calling Obama what he was: a radical leftist.

So in 2016 we run a real conservative...a warrior who's not afraid to call the Dem candidate (Hillary?) what they are: socialists and petty fascists. But what if we lose again? Even after four more disastrous Obamanomics? Will it be time for a split?

5 posted on 12/10/2012 8:27:29 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Perdogg

America, as we knew it, went straight into the freedom dustbin the instant the Republicans passed Obama care before they even knew what was in the bill.

The exact time and place will be recorded in the history that will be censured by the communists and never shown to their slaves.

That act will go down in history and the most flagrant example of incompetence of any government in history and the very minute they passed it, I was done with the Republican party from that point forward.

Nothing has changed with them since that time that all of the “Lemming” RINOs jumped over the cliff.

The party is “toast” and anyone who is naive enough to think so will be “easy pickings” for all Republicans in the future.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 8:30:21 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Perdogg; Noumenon
The Fraud and cheating by the Democrats has always been there and Will always be there.

THe real reason we lost, again, was that "our" party decided to "move to the center" both in it's politics and it's candidate.

They used open primaries to accomplish this, they used their money advantage, and their candidate, Mitt Romney, used a scorch and burn policy towards the other Primary candidates that included lying about their backgrounds and saturating the airwaves with half-truths and out-and-out complete lies about each of the other candidates.

And finally, "our" candidate, Mitt Romney, embraced both Abortion and the Gay Agenda and could not communicate the limited-government message if his life depended on it because HE'S NOT A CONSERVATIVE! He does not believe in limited government.

So we had an extremely flawed candidate who failed on two fo the three legs of the conservative stool, i.e., Fiscal and Social conservatism, and we expected to win the race?

Add to that Mitt Romney's own left-wing, progressive record as Governor and both before his governorship and after it, a record that would make even a Rockefellar, blue-blood, country club Republican blush, and there should be no doubt as to why we lost.

Solely Trying to blame this on the cheating by the Democrats is to ignore the gigantic Pink Elephant in the corner of the room.
7 posted on 12/10/2012 8:33:02 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: apillar
And Republicans are in the process of digging their hole deeper...

From the Washington Post this morning...

Obama wants $1.6 trillion in tax increases over the next decade, but many Democrats privately say they would settle for $1.2 trillion. Boehner has offered $800 billion, and Republicans are eager to keep the final tax figure under $1 trillion....

Reminds me of that old joke, "A man walks up to a women in bar and offers her $1 Million dollars to have sex with him. She quickly accepts. He responds, how about $25 dollars. The women gives an indignant snort and says, "Sir, just WHAT do you think I am?!? The man responds, "You've already demonstrated what you are, now we are just negotiating a price."

With Boehner's offer of $800 Billion in tax increases he's demonstrated to Obama that the Republican are pledge breaking tax raisers. Now they are just negotiating a price...

8 posted on 12/10/2012 8:33:50 AM PST by apillar
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To: DH
DH: "America, as we knew it, went straight into the freedom dustbin the instant the Republicans passed Obama care before they even knew what was in the bill."

So, can you name even one Republican who voted for Obama-care?

I think you're confused, FRiend.

9 posted on 12/10/2012 8:35:39 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Perdogg

Fraud, cheating and RINO’s teaming to make money off the little people. There does not seem to be too many standing up for truth, justice and the American way ... they roll over and accept money instead.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 8:37:44 AM PST by Pilated
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To: SoConPubbie
They used open primaries to accomplish this, they used their money advantage, and their candidate, Mitt Romney, used a scorch and burn policy towards the other Primary candidates that included lying about their backgrounds and saturating the airwaves with half-truths and out-and-out complete lies about each of the other candidates.

Outstanding points, to which I would add:

Having secured the nomination Romney made ZERO effort to reach out to those candidates supporters who had been defeated in the primaries and continued the scorched earth policies began during the primaries.

Regards,

TS

11 posted on 12/10/2012 8:39:19 AM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: DH

Obamacare didn’t get one single R vote, in the house or the senate.

The RATS own that 100%.


12 posted on 12/10/2012 8:43:03 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Perdogg

I’m about ready to start posting the “Noth this sh!t again!” graphic on these topics.

Enough punditizing about “why we lost”. Let’s get on with “how we will win”.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 8:46:23 AM PST by bigbob
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To: kabar

“its secret was competition between drug companies that drove down prices”

We have really got to stop it with the “free market solutions” we come up with to inject in massive expansions of the welfare state because we’re afraid the socialists will pass worse laws without them. Libs depend on us to feed them healthcare exchanges, the individual mandate, cap ‘n’ trade, etc. so they don’t have to come out for pure nationalization all at once. We enable them with our marginally less socialistic socialism.


14 posted on 12/10/2012 8:46:26 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Perdogg; All



Why we lost; the big picture? Surely you don't think America voted to reelect the Marxist/Muslim usurper- the worst president in American history!

>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.

>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.

>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.

>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?

Massive voter fraud.

That and no other reason

Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events, Canada Free Press...



Can't you just imagine the above was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?

Next time? What makes you think the massive voter fraud in this last farce of an election won't be repeated? If we don't clean up our voting system, there may not be a next time. We may not see another Republican president in our lifetime


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Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012


What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.


We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....



Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent

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The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

Visit the site- Here

(Astonishing!)




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Believe it or not, there ARE patriots out there who are going to FIGHT Obama's reelection- unlike the spinless Republicans who remain silent!

Visit the website; 'The Competent Conservative'

Here

'These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below... '





Visit the website, 'Halt Voter Fraud':

Here

'This election is not over - YET. Obama has not been elected by the Electoral College - YET. The Presidential election is being stolen from us with "Chicago Style" thuggery - and we can STOP the thieves in their tracks. But we do not have time on our side. This is our LAST chance. Don't give up. We must act now.

If massive voter fraud has occured as alleged by so many, and if the state vote counts include these FRAUDULENT votes, then is it logical to say that the entire state vote is COMPROMISED and can't be trusted? 59,000,000 Americans might agree!

The state vote is used to determine the allocation of Electors in the Electoral College which actually elects the President and Vice President.

If the vote count is FRAUDULENT, FLAWED, and CAN'T BE TRUSTED - and if the Electors have been FRAUDULENTLY allocated based on FLAWED vote counts - then WE CANNOT ALLOW THE GOVERNORS TO SIGN THEIR CERTIFICATES of ASCERTAINMENT on December 17th. We can stop this if we ACT IMMEDIATELY.

***** CALL TO ARMS ***** FIVE STATE CAPITOLS ***** SEVEN DAYS *******

Patriots must rally NOW in the State Capitols of Harrisburg,PA - Richmond, VA - Tallahassee, FL - Columbus, OH, and Madison, WI ****** MASSIVE RALLIES ** *** PATRIOT LEADERS ORGANIZE YOUR LOCAL EFFORTS NOW, coordinate with the other PATRIOT groups as they also rally, let us know who you are and how you will respond, how we can help.

Remember the Battle of Trenton?

We can make HISTORY TODAY.'

More- Here

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Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

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Sign this petition- almost 117,000 and counting -cards, email- Here

Sign the ‘We The People’ petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here

Click and sign the petition for a recount Here-

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CANADA FREE PRESS: Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Here


Republican pole watchers; busloads of Somalians brought in Here
Another poll watcher observes voter fraud Here

Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here

Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here

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Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here



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Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here

The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here

Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here

Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here

WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here

The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here

WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here

Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here

MORE:

Newt Gingrich 360: Here

Appalachian Forums: Here

Before It's News: Here

WND: Here

Political Outcast: Here

True The Vote: Here

Fox News Insider: Here

Human Events; Here

The Will County News: Here

Fox News: Here

WND: Here

Townhall: Here

Breitbart Here

Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here

Human Events: Here

Front Page Magazine: Here

The Blaze Here

The Daily Caller: Here

Front Page Magazine Here

Military Voter Protection Project: Here

BreitBart Here

Townhall: Here

Fox News Here

The Blaze Here






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The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here

The United StatesLibrary of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials Here





15 posted on 12/10/2012 8:49:57 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN)
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To: Perdogg

I’m going to have to call The American Thinker The American Stinker if they keep putting out stuff like this. Not one mention of 9/11. Not one mention of Obama attacking Libya. And Mitt Romney was defeated because of the war in Iran? A swing and a miss.

“Understand yourself and understand your opponents, and in one hundred battles, you will not be defeated.”

I have written about the Democrats use of Behavioral Scientists to win elections. They understand Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs and use this understanding to frighten people into voting Democrat. We don’t have the nation of rugged individualists. Our culture, for the past 50 years, has been intentionally manipulated into producing fearful, distracted people. The Democrats didn’t elect Obama because he’s a strong leader, they elected him because “he feels for us”. He knows that they’re afraid. The Democrats use that. Why shouldn’t we? If the way the Democrats ease that fear is with promises of other people’s money, then why not play up the fear that the Democrat’s bungling will cause that money to go away? Fear is a strong motivator. Show that the Democrats like to hand out money, but they don’t know how to make it. Play up Detroit. If you want to scare people, show them the Democrat paradise of Detroit. The Democrat voters will see that the Democrat leaders are like Aunt Thelma who gives them nickels but eventually winds up living with them because she’s broke.


16 posted on 12/10/2012 8:50:22 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SoConPubbie
Solely Trying to blame this on the cheating by the Democrats is to ignore the gigantic Pink Elephant in the corner of the room.The real elephant in the room is the rapidly changing demographics of this country fueled by birthrates and immigration, legal and illegal. By 2019, half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as defined by the USG. And by 2042 half of the country will be minorities. Minorities and immigrants vote Democrat by more than two to one.

If you look at the exit polls, Romney won the non-Hispanic white vote in every age group including the 18-29. Demography is destiny. The Democrats are well are their way to becoming the permanent majority party. They are the party of minorities and immigrants. The US will look demographically like CA in 2050. CA is a one party state that is becoming even more blue. Eventually, the entire Congressional delegation will be Democrats. It is inevitable.

FYI: Romney received 60.6 million votes--more than McCain. He did better than McCain in almost all of the swing states. He did better than Rep senatorial candidates in IN, MO, MT, ND, PA, etc.

17 posted on 12/10/2012 9:04:22 AM PST by kabar
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To: Perdogg; Noumenon

We lost because Romney was a crappy candidate from the start. Lots of conservatives stayed home, and they had their choice validated by the fact that the candidate who spent millions to vilify conservative opponents in the primary, didn’t have a single dollar to spend to vilify Barack Obama.

Romney failed to engage. He didn’t engage on the economny, he didn’t engage on Benghazi, he didn’t engage on a visibly failing foreign policy, he didn’t engage on jobs, taxes, entitlements, social issues, or even the price of tea in China.

Romney was a failure. Every prediction that the Romney-bots were leading us down the road to disaster has been borne out. Those of us who voted for the guy out of some or another form of last-ditch desperation knew full well that he was a creep.

And he proved our better instincts right.

One more thing: when he mince-stepped up to the microphone versus when Obama did the same, Romney looked vapid and metro-sexual.

He lost in all areas: bad handlers, bad strategy, bad technology, bad communication, and bad candidate. My only conclusion is that he and his butt-buddies like Karl Rove were clueless or actually wanted to lose.

And don’t tell me it was fraud. If it was rampant, obvious fraud, then the candidate himself uttered not a peep. In which case, he proves himself again to be a spineless wimp.

He needs to just shut up and go away!


18 posted on 12/10/2012 9:21:33 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: The Shrew
Having secured the nomination Romney made ZERO effort to reach out to those candidates supporters who had been defeated in the primaries and continued the scorched earth policies began during the primaries.

I do not know the numbers but from the looks of how many Repubs stayed home on November 6th, this is probably the biggest contribution to the Romney defeat.

19 posted on 12/10/2012 9:28:08 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: xzins
If it was rampant, obvious fraud, then the candidate himself uttered not a peep. In which case, he proves himself again to be a spineless wimp.

Precisely my point. No one even tried to stand up to this except Alan West. This man should be our president.

20 posted on 12/10/2012 9:29:43 AM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: kabar

Yes the Part D policy premiums are maybe 25%, but that’s only part of the story. Unless your meds are almost “over the counter” generics, our CO-PAYs are a hellofa lot higher.

From comparing many of the Part D insurers coverage, there is obviously a lot of discounting negotiated with the drug manufacturers for the estimated remaining 50% of a drug’s cost. How much Medicare is paying is not clear, but it can’t be much.

Still, I for one would much prefer to buy my own health and meds private insurance, but the Gubmit requires us to join up with Medicare to enable getting the SS we paid through the nose for all the years.


21 posted on 12/10/2012 9:30:48 AM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: SoConPubbie
The Fraud and cheating by the Democrats has always been there and Will always be there.

True, but not on the scale that we have seen in recent times, and as another poster has so clearly illustrated. As for pink elephants, I stand by my reference to Vichy Republicans. That includes Romney as well.

22 posted on 12/10/2012 9:33:58 AM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: The Shrew

Having secured the nomination Romney made ZERO effort to reach out to those candidates supporters who had been defeated in the primaries and continued the scorched earth policies began during the primaries.

Since the election, the GOPe has continued the scorched earth policy against the conservatives. It’s time we recognize that the battle has always been conservatives against the liberals of both parties. We need to get off the GOP plantation and burn what we don’t take with us.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 9:36:30 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: xzins

He needs to just shut up and go away!

We need to keep lists of his primary supporters. To a man, they are our enemies.


24 posted on 12/10/2012 9:39:41 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Perdogg
I'm no great American Thinker but I think they stole the election.

And all this talk about the next Reagan. We already got one.


25 posted on 12/10/2012 9:42:35 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: xzins
He lost in all areas: bad handlers, bad strategy, bad technology, bad communication, and bad candidate.

And lost to the worst president in American history. I honestly believe that any other candidate in the republican primaries would have beaten Obama, with the possible exception of Huntsman.

26 posted on 12/10/2012 9:46:54 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Perdogg

The Republican party can reinvent itself until it’s blue in the face, but until we get a handle on vote fraud we will stay the party out of power. We’ve got to work to have fair elections and eliminate as many opportunities to commit vote fraud as we can. Voter ID laws should be mandatory. Make vote fraud a crime and make the punishment so bad that anyone thinking of doing it would choose not to.

I believe we ran a fair race, but the other side chose to cheat and steal the election. More and more reports are coming out about the amount of voter fraud in this last election. Too many to discount. There should be jail time for any party that commits vote fraud including the arrest and imprisonment of the president if it is found that vote fraud put him in office.


27 posted on 12/10/2012 9:48:05 AM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Perdogg
It is here we begin to understand how Obama and the Democrats won in 2012. Instead of the Republican Party being the party of peace, in too many minds it has become the party of war. Electorates do not like parties of war and tend to turn them out.

Oh really? WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Nicaragua, Bosnia, Libya, and now Syria were all propitiated by Republicans??? Oh, Iraq and Afghanistan? Those were RINOs in the Bush. Meanwhile, our "warmonger" president Reagan defeated the Soviets without firing a shot.

What a load.

The key phrase here is "in too many minds." I'll note instead that EVERY institution of public education from preschool to universities, and from news to advertising, is controlled by Democrats. That's the reason.

28 posted on 12/10/2012 9:55:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Perdogg
"We" lost because "We" wanted to.

"We" are so good at being the minority party. "We" are so good at losing and going along to get along. So long as "We" can get on the equity side of the equation, i.e. Obamacare, etc, "We" don't really care much at all.

"We" are the kind of people who can play ball, get with the program, go along to get along. "We" are happy buying stock in the rope company that has an interest in our own hanging, so long as we know just the right inside moment to buy cheap.

"We" are really pretty damn craven and stupid when it comes down to it.

("We" being the RINO GOP establishment, mind you, not directed at anyone personally except maybe Reince and whoever he's been listening to.)

What mean, "We", white eyes?

29 posted on 12/10/2012 10:05:27 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Perdogg

WHY WE LOST

Because liberals were allowed to take over the education system and turn out generations of undereducated students, brain-washed with politically correct, racist, socialist dogma and incapable of making an informed decision or fact based judgement.


30 posted on 12/10/2012 10:09:16 AM PST by Iron Munro (I MISS AMERICA !)
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To: blueunicorn6; All
I have written about the Democrats use of Behavioral Scientists to win elections. ...

And now many conservatives are being Behavioral Scienced into convincing themselves that We don’t have the nation of rugged individualists. Our culture, for the past 50 years, has been intentionally manipulated into producing fearful, distracted people ... because the MSM has TOLD AMERICANS that "most" Americans are like that (not us, of course, just everybody else) so we have people buying wholesale that "the majority of Americans are stupid leeches and mooches and frightened children."

Only a LOSER believes that most Americans are children, leeches, moochers, and cowards. That is a very solid premise for FAILURE and BETRAYAL. You don't win by believing and telling your allies that they are incompetent idiots, yet that is what so many, including Rush Limbaugh, are saying about the majority of my fellow Americans. Not me or you, of course (rolls eyes), but everybody else. We're the smart, elite minority, you see.

Hogwash!!! We're the MAJORITY.

If we conservatives plan to reclaim our freedoms and our country, we MUST perceive, embrace, and preach that the majority of Americans, like us, are INVISIBLE to the MSM, that the MSM distorts horribly what America "is really thinking," that vote fraud has put people into power that in reality were rejected at the ballot box, and that in truth we are a nation of primarily good, moral, courageous people who are sick of government.

VOTE FRAUD and the MSM work hand in hand: the MSM distorts every individual American's view of him/herself as placed in a nation where most who surround him/her are primarily liberal when in fact, liberals are the minority. PROOF??? They have to cheat to win elections. If they weren't the minority, they wouldn't have to cheat to win. THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM.

Yet in spite of overwhelming evidence, from vote fraud to MSM consumer comments on mainstream news sites that are about ten-to-one critical of liberalism, Obama, and the biased MSM, in spite of the fact that Americans are charitable and generous, productive and innovative -- FOOLS have been manipulated by a different kind of Behavioral Science to play the part of the 60-lb Setter Beta Dog who believes he's smaller and weaker than the 10-lb Alpha Dog who dominates him. Such does the MSM and fraud-empowered minority Democrat party dominate (temporarily) good, moral Americans. The liberals are the LITTLE DOG made falsely to appear big -- we must perceive that reality before we can start winning.

31 posted on 12/10/2012 10:41:44 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: freedomfiter2
We need to keep lists of his primary supporters. To a man, they are our enemies.

I don't think that includes the ABO's who progressed along the line of candidates, for example, from Caine to Gingrich to Santorum, or something like that.

Those, however, who were in the tank for Romney from pre-primary days are definitely no conservatives at all. Those who switched from a Christie/Johnson type candidate to Romney are definitely broken.

And, it's really hard to make a case for those who were pro-Romney from early in the primary season.

32 posted on 12/10/2012 11:23:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I don’t think that includes the ABO’s who progressed along the line of candidates, for example, from Caine to Gingrich to Santorum, or something like that.

Yeah, after Santorum dropped out, you can’t blame anyone for supporting ABO. Most of us were ABM in the primaries and ABO in the general.


33 posted on 12/10/2012 11:35:02 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Perdogg; All

The key to understanding why the unconstitutionally big federal government keeps getting bigger is the following imo. Patriots must bite the bullet and wake up to the idea that Fx News, and all “conservative” celebrities are Obama’s guard dogs.

More specifically, if patriots were knowledgeable about the Founding States’ division of federal and state government powers, evidenced by the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I, Article V and the 10th Amendment, then patriot could quickly force corrupt Congress back into its Section 8-limited power cage.

But Fx News doesn’t lift a finger to reconnect patriots with the above constitutional statutes, ignoring them completely in federal public policy discussions.


34 posted on 12/10/2012 11:39:02 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10; All

I should have said “conservative” celebrity news commentators in my previous post.


35 posted on 12/10/2012 11:44:00 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: SoConPubbie
THe real reason we lost, again, was that "our" party decided to "move to the center" both in it's politics and it's candidate.

I suspect that the real answer isn't "drift" or "lack of direction". I suspect that it's positive action by motivated partisans acting under false colors inside the GOP. I suspect we have a small ring of closeted gay "Republicans" who are actively working for the destruction of Republicanism, conservatism, and the deist, theist, moral community called America, eating away at the core of the GOP like a powerful black hole, because they secretly hate God, America, conservatives, and the GOP, in no particular order.

36 posted on 12/10/2012 11:49:19 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: bigbob
I’m about ready to start posting the “Noth this sh!t again!” graphic on these topics. Enough punditizing about “why we lost”. Let’s get on with “how we will win”.

Not until we've learned our lessons, Cricket.

37 posted on 12/10/2012 11:53:02 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Noumenon

I would probably vote for Alan West once I got assurances on pro-life and pro-marriage (natural).


38 posted on 12/10/2012 11:55:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Noumenon

Exactly.

Many of us senior voters are disgusted with the voter fraud and the complete lack of addressing such by the Republicans.

When a district in St Lucie County, Fla, has 7 registered voters and then produces 900 ‘votes’ on Nov 6, 2012, and the Republicans don’t say a word-—how can I trust them anymore? After 51 years of being a registered Republican, I am done with them. Will re-register Tea Party if I can or Independent.


39 posted on 12/10/2012 12:01:37 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: SoConPubbie
...we had an extremely flawed candidate who failed on two fo the three legs of the conservative stool, i.e., Fiscal and Social conservatism, and we expected to win the race?

Add to that Mitt Romney's own left-wing, progressive record as Governor and both before his governorship and after it, a record that would make even a Rockefellar, blue-blood, country club Republican blush, and there should be no doubt as to why we lost.

Right on point, yet I and many other conservative patriots on this website were shouted down and endlessly castigated for speaking those plain and obvious truths.

Some still want to blame rank and file voters for failing to get out and vote for Romney, but I reject that misplaced blame. The fault for Romney's loss lies with him. He failed to rally the base because he didn't (and couldn't) represent those qualities and values that were absolutely essential in a successful challenger to The Marxist.

I don't feel that he was worse than Obama, but what the country needed at this time was a hard-nosed patriot in the mold of the Framers, not a milquetoast, nice guy, moderate, Democrat-Lite, in the mold of GHWB, Dole, or McCain.

The Republican establishment pushed their golden RINO to the top, and many of our people yawned. Again. That's what happened in the last election.

40 posted on 12/10/2012 12:50:53 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Finny

Damn, where’s the ‘like’ button?


41 posted on 12/10/2012 1:08:01 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: X-spurt
You are missing the point. The premiums you pay for Medicare Parts B and D only cover 25% of the costs to Medicare. The other 75% is picked up using the General Fund.

According to the Trustee's report, the General Fund picked up $222 billion in FY-2011 for Medicare Parts B and D (SMI). With 10,000 people retiring every day for the next 20 years, these costs will continue to increase and the General Fund, by law, picks up 75% of the costs.

"But this is just the beginning of Medicare's problems, because it also has two other programs: part B, which covers doctor's visits, and part D, which pays for prescription drugs.

The unfunded portion of Medicare part B is already covered by general revenues under current law. The present value of that is $37 trillion or 2.8% of GDP in perpetuity according to the trustees report (p. 111). The unfunded portion of Medicare part D, which was rammed into law by George W. Bush and a Republican Congress in 2003, is also covered by general revenues under current law and has a present value of $15.5 trillion or 1.2% of GDP forever (p. 127).

42 posted on 12/10/2012 2:03:33 PM PST by kabar
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To: blueunicorn6; All
APOLOGY to blue unicorn -- I didn't mean to imply that blueunicorn6 thinks or even said that "the majority of Americans are stupid leeches and mooches and frightened children," though alas, that's how my post came across. Sorry, unicorn!
43 posted on 12/10/2012 2:17:02 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Windflier

Thanks! :^)


44 posted on 12/10/2012 2:17:51 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Iron Munro

You are on to something here. Many “conservative” voters are so uninformed in school board elections that they either sit them out or vote for liberal names on the ballot that they have “heard of.” Most school board members everywhere are primarily interested in getting funds for “the children.”


45 posted on 12/10/2012 2:19:02 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Graybeard58

When Herman Cain gave money to a woman other than his wife without telling his wife, he was finished. But he looked like a good choice until that was revealed.


46 posted on 12/10/2012 2:22:52 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: kabar

Well I don’t know whether you don’t have any experience with Medicare and are just copy and pasting info from somewhere else or if you are serious in your thinking us SS / Medicare users are ripping you off.

My give-away was your “The unfunded portion of Medicare part B”. The un-funded part of Part B is paid by those of us that elect to BUY IT at about a $100 a month. Then you also don’t seem to know that Part B does not cover all and we have to buy private MediGap insurance to cover the significant portion Part A and Part B do not cover. Then if electing to BUY Part D we have to pay the 25% you claim, then Co-pays and deductable. Top it all off with the most non-sensical confusing coverage regulations on the planet.

I don’t argue that Medicare is some super good deal for us having to use it or to the taxpayers. It sucks, but is what Congress stuck us with. Adding up all the Medicare “Parts” and MediGap insurance, my cost is higher than I could have bought on my own, if the Gubmit would allow it.


47 posted on 12/10/2012 2:47:42 PM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: Windflier

It’s more than that. My 77 year old father, for example, thinks “religion should be out of politics.” It’s ridiculous, given his financial background and I was absolutely shocked that he would vote for O because of this given all the bad stuff that’s coming down the pike with this bozo in office. Also my well-educated and recently employed college aged son didn’t vote because he thinks the gay marriage issue shouldn’t be in the party plank. He, BTW went to a Christian school his entire life. THIS trumps the economic consequences he will definitely suffer as a result? Also, all the “super conservatives” who sat out the election and got us a way more horrible result are to blame, IMHO.


48 posted on 12/10/2012 2:58:07 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: X-spurt
Well I don’t know whether you don’t have any experience with Medicare and are just copy and pasting info from somewhere else or if you are serious in your thinking us SS / Medicare users are ripping you off.

I am on Medicare. It is not a matter of Medicare users ripping us off. It is the way Medicare is structured. The premiums you pay amount to 25% of the USG's total costs for the program.

My give-away was your “The unfunded portion of Medicare part B”. The un-funded part of Part B is paid by those of us that elect to BUY IT at about a $100 a month. Then you also don’t seem to know that Part B does not cover all and we have to buy private MediGap insurance to cover the significant portion Part A and Part B do not cover. Then if electing to BUY Part D we have to pay the 25% you claim, then Co-pays and deductable. Top it all off with the most non-sensical confusing coverage regulations on the planet.

Again, you are totally missing the point. The $100 you pay in premiums each month or double that if you are married, only pay for 25% of the GOVERNMENT'S COSTS OF MEDICARE PARTS B AND D. THE REST OF THE COSTS ARE FUNDED WITH MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

I don’t argue that Medicare is some super good deal for us having to use it or to the taxpayers. It sucks, but is what Congress stuck us with. Adding up all the Medicare “Parts” and MediGap insurance, my cost is higher than I could have bought on my own, if the Gubmit would allow it.

Medicare is a great deal. You get back three times in benefits compared to what you contributed.

This graph shows that the average man and woman (average defined in the study as average income over their working lives and living to the average life expectancy) who start receiving benefits in 2010 get over 3 times more in benefits than they pay in to the system! Of importance, the study accounts for inflation by calculating all past taxes and future payments in 2010 dollars to provide an accurate comparison.

If the notion that Medicare recipients are simply "getting back what they paid in" is false then where is the money coming from? Simply, the excess received is being borrowed from younger generations and the cost is more than we can bear.

49 posted on 12/10/2012 3:13:16 PM PST by kabar
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To: The Right Stuff

Your father and your son, both voted their religious beliefs, or in their cases, their anti-God beliefs, over everything else.

If “super-conservatives” are defined as Evangelical Christians, then they showed up and voted republican by 79%.

While liberals like your family members voted democrat, Romney left millions of votes on the table that a better candidate could have won, since he never actually ran any kind of a campaign.


50 posted on 12/10/2012 4:18:12 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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