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Why We Lost: The Big Picture
American Thinker ^ | By Jay Haug

Posted on 12/10/2012 8:09:07 AM PST by Perdogg

Critics of the Republican loss in the presidential election, which returned the status quo to Washington for another four years, have spent a number of weeks analyzing the reasons for the debacle. Pundits have put forth demographics, messaging, the Obama turnout machine, and a whole host of other assertions to show why Republicans must go back to the drawing board and reinvent themselves. No doubt this sifting process will continue for months to come. Though John F. Kennedy's oft-quoted dictum that "victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan" still holds true, it appears the orphans are having a national convention asking themselves, "Who's your daddy?" Now that Mitt Romney appears to be fading from the scene, Republicans have not quite decided either who will come off their fairly strong bench to lead the party, or what the Republican message for the future will be.

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To: kabar

Yes the Part D policy premiums are maybe 25%, but that’s only part of the story. Unless your meds are almost “over the counter” generics, our CO-PAYs are a hellofa lot higher.

From comparing many of the Part D insurers coverage, there is obviously a lot of discounting negotiated with the drug manufacturers for the estimated remaining 50% of a drug’s cost. How much Medicare is paying is not clear, but it can’t be much.

Still, I for one would much prefer to buy my own health and meds private insurance, but the Gubmit requires us to join up with Medicare to enable getting the SS we paid through the nose for all the years.


21 posted on 12/10/2012 9:30:48 AM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: SoConPubbie
The Fraud and cheating by the Democrats has always been there and Will always be there.

True, but not on the scale that we have seen in recent times, and as another poster has so clearly illustrated. As for pink elephants, I stand by my reference to Vichy Republicans. That includes Romney as well.

22 posted on 12/10/2012 9:33:58 AM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: The Shrew

Having secured the nomination Romney made ZERO effort to reach out to those candidates supporters who had been defeated in the primaries and continued the scorched earth policies began during the primaries.

Since the election, the GOPe has continued the scorched earth policy against the conservatives. It’s time we recognize that the battle has always been conservatives against the liberals of both parties. We need to get off the GOP plantation and burn what we don’t take with us.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 9:36:30 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: xzins

He needs to just shut up and go away!

We need to keep lists of his primary supporters. To a man, they are our enemies.


24 posted on 12/10/2012 9:39:41 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Perdogg
I'm no great American Thinker but I think they stole the election.

And all this talk about the next Reagan. We already got one.


25 posted on 12/10/2012 9:42:35 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: xzins
He lost in all areas: bad handlers, bad strategy, bad technology, bad communication, and bad candidate.

And lost to the worst president in American history. I honestly believe that any other candidate in the republican primaries would have beaten Obama, with the possible exception of Huntsman.

26 posted on 12/10/2012 9:46:54 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Perdogg

The Republican party can reinvent itself until it’s blue in the face, but until we get a handle on vote fraud we will stay the party out of power. We’ve got to work to have fair elections and eliminate as many opportunities to commit vote fraud as we can. Voter ID laws should be mandatory. Make vote fraud a crime and make the punishment so bad that anyone thinking of doing it would choose not to.

I believe we ran a fair race, but the other side chose to cheat and steal the election. More and more reports are coming out about the amount of voter fraud in this last election. Too many to discount. There should be jail time for any party that commits vote fraud including the arrest and imprisonment of the president if it is found that vote fraud put him in office.


27 posted on 12/10/2012 9:48:05 AM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Perdogg
It is here we begin to understand how Obama and the Democrats won in 2012. Instead of the Republican Party being the party of peace, in too many minds it has become the party of war. Electorates do not like parties of war and tend to turn them out.

Oh really? WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Nicaragua, Bosnia, Libya, and now Syria were all propitiated by Republicans??? Oh, Iraq and Afghanistan? Those were RINOs in the Bush. Meanwhile, our "warmonger" president Reagan defeated the Soviets without firing a shot.

What a load.

The key phrase here is "in too many minds." I'll note instead that EVERY institution of public education from preschool to universities, and from news to advertising, is controlled by Democrats. That's the reason.

28 posted on 12/10/2012 9:55:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Perdogg
"We" lost because "We" wanted to.

"We" are so good at being the minority party. "We" are so good at losing and going along to get along. So long as "We" can get on the equity side of the equation, i.e. Obamacare, etc, "We" don't really care much at all.

"We" are the kind of people who can play ball, get with the program, go along to get along. "We" are happy buying stock in the rope company that has an interest in our own hanging, so long as we know just the right inside moment to buy cheap.

"We" are really pretty damn craven and stupid when it comes down to it.

("We" being the RINO GOP establishment, mind you, not directed at anyone personally except maybe Reince and whoever he's been listening to.)

What mean, "We", white eyes?

29 posted on 12/10/2012 10:05:27 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Perdogg

WHY WE LOST

Because liberals were allowed to take over the education system and turn out generations of undereducated students, brain-washed with politically correct, racist, socialist dogma and incapable of making an informed decision or fact based judgement.


30 posted on 12/10/2012 10:09:16 AM PST by Iron Munro (I MISS AMERICA !)
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To: blueunicorn6; All
I have written about the Democrats use of Behavioral Scientists to win elections. ...

And now many conservatives are being Behavioral Scienced into convincing themselves that We don’t have the nation of rugged individualists. Our culture, for the past 50 years, has been intentionally manipulated into producing fearful, distracted people ... because the MSM has TOLD AMERICANS that "most" Americans are like that (not us, of course, just everybody else) so we have people buying wholesale that "the majority of Americans are stupid leeches and mooches and frightened children."

Only a LOSER believes that most Americans are children, leeches, moochers, and cowards. That is a very solid premise for FAILURE and BETRAYAL. You don't win by believing and telling your allies that they are incompetent idiots, yet that is what so many, including Rush Limbaugh, are saying about the majority of my fellow Americans. Not me or you, of course (rolls eyes), but everybody else. We're the smart, elite minority, you see.

Hogwash!!! We're the MAJORITY.

If we conservatives plan to reclaim our freedoms and our country, we MUST perceive, embrace, and preach that the majority of Americans, like us, are INVISIBLE to the MSM, that the MSM distorts horribly what America "is really thinking," that vote fraud has put people into power that in reality were rejected at the ballot box, and that in truth we are a nation of primarily good, moral, courageous people who are sick of government.

VOTE FRAUD and the MSM work hand in hand: the MSM distorts every individual American's view of him/herself as placed in a nation where most who surround him/her are primarily liberal when in fact, liberals are the minority. PROOF??? They have to cheat to win elections. If they weren't the minority, they wouldn't have to cheat to win. THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM.

Yet in spite of overwhelming evidence, from vote fraud to MSM consumer comments on mainstream news sites that are about ten-to-one critical of liberalism, Obama, and the biased MSM, in spite of the fact that Americans are charitable and generous, productive and innovative -- FOOLS have been manipulated by a different kind of Behavioral Science to play the part of the 60-lb Setter Beta Dog who believes he's smaller and weaker than the 10-lb Alpha Dog who dominates him. Such does the MSM and fraud-empowered minority Democrat party dominate (temporarily) good, moral Americans. The liberals are the LITTLE DOG made falsely to appear big -- we must perceive that reality before we can start winning.

31 posted on 12/10/2012 10:41:44 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: freedomfiter2
We need to keep lists of his primary supporters. To a man, they are our enemies.

I don't think that includes the ABO's who progressed along the line of candidates, for example, from Caine to Gingrich to Santorum, or something like that.

Those, however, who were in the tank for Romney from pre-primary days are definitely no conservatives at all. Those who switched from a Christie/Johnson type candidate to Romney are definitely broken.

And, it's really hard to make a case for those who were pro-Romney from early in the primary season.

32 posted on 12/10/2012 11:23:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I don’t think that includes the ABO’s who progressed along the line of candidates, for example, from Caine to Gingrich to Santorum, or something like that.

Yeah, after Santorum dropped out, you can’t blame anyone for supporting ABO. Most of us were ABM in the primaries and ABO in the general.


33 posted on 12/10/2012 11:35:02 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Perdogg; All

The key to understanding why the unconstitutionally big federal government keeps getting bigger is the following imo. Patriots must bite the bullet and wake up to the idea that Fx News, and all “conservative” celebrities are Obama’s guard dogs.

More specifically, if patriots were knowledgeable about the Founding States’ division of federal and state government powers, evidenced by the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I, Article V and the 10th Amendment, then patriot could quickly force corrupt Congress back into its Section 8-limited power cage.

But Fx News doesn’t lift a finger to reconnect patriots with the above constitutional statutes, ignoring them completely in federal public policy discussions.


34 posted on 12/10/2012 11:39:02 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10; All

I should have said “conservative” celebrity news commentators in my previous post.


35 posted on 12/10/2012 11:44:00 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: SoConPubbie
THe real reason we lost, again, was that "our" party decided to "move to the center" both in it's politics and it's candidate.

I suspect that the real answer isn't "drift" or "lack of direction". I suspect that it's positive action by motivated partisans acting under false colors inside the GOP. I suspect we have a small ring of closeted gay "Republicans" who are actively working for the destruction of Republicanism, conservatism, and the deist, theist, moral community called America, eating away at the core of the GOP like a powerful black hole, because they secretly hate God, America, conservatives, and the GOP, in no particular order.

36 posted on 12/10/2012 11:49:19 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: bigbob
I’m about ready to start posting the “Noth this sh!t again!” graphic on these topics. Enough punditizing about “why we lost”. Let’s get on with “how we will win”.

Not until we've learned our lessons, Cricket.

37 posted on 12/10/2012 11:53:02 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Noumenon

I would probably vote for Alan West once I got assurances on pro-life and pro-marriage (natural).


38 posted on 12/10/2012 11:55:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Noumenon

Exactly.

Many of us senior voters are disgusted with the voter fraud and the complete lack of addressing such by the Republicans.

When a district in St Lucie County, Fla, has 7 registered voters and then produces 900 ‘votes’ on Nov 6, 2012, and the Republicans don’t say a word-—how can I trust them anymore? After 51 years of being a registered Republican, I am done with them. Will re-register Tea Party if I can or Independent.


39 posted on 12/10/2012 12:01:37 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: SoConPubbie
...we had an extremely flawed candidate who failed on two fo the three legs of the conservative stool, i.e., Fiscal and Social conservatism, and we expected to win the race?

Add to that Mitt Romney's own left-wing, progressive record as Governor and both before his governorship and after it, a record that would make even a Rockefellar, blue-blood, country club Republican blush, and there should be no doubt as to why we lost.

Right on point, yet I and many other conservative patriots on this website were shouted down and endlessly castigated for speaking those plain and obvious truths.

Some still want to blame rank and file voters for failing to get out and vote for Romney, but I reject that misplaced blame. The fault for Romney's loss lies with him. He failed to rally the base because he didn't (and couldn't) represent those qualities and values that were absolutely essential in a successful challenger to The Marxist.

I don't feel that he was worse than Obama, but what the country needed at this time was a hard-nosed patriot in the mold of the Framers, not a milquetoast, nice guy, moderate, Democrat-Lite, in the mold of GHWB, Dole, or McCain.

The Republican establishment pushed their golden RINO to the top, and many of our people yawned. Again. That's what happened in the last election.

40 posted on 12/10/2012 12:50:53 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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