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Female Genital Mutilation: An Islamic Crime
FrontPageMag.com ^ | December 10, 2012 | Jamie Glazov

Posted on 12/10/2012 9:36:36 AM PST by Perseverando

Asia News recently reported how the misogynist crime of female genital mutilation (FGM) continues to be a “widespread traditional practice” in “rural areas and more remote areas of Indonesia, particularly the island of Java.” The story makes sure to remind us, naturally, that while this crime is being perpetrated in a Muslim country, the crime “is not a rule set in a rigid manner by the precepts of Islam.” It is only widespread, we are consoled, because of the actions of “the more extreme and integral fringe.”

In her coverage of this news report, freedom fighter Pamela Geller shrewdly asks the key question that somehow mysteriously eludes the minds of every breathing human being in our mainstream media: “The fringe made it widespread?”

Indeed, if only the “extreme and integral fringe” supports this sadistic and vicious crime against women, and if it is “not a rule set in a rigid manner by the precepts of Islam,” then where are all the Muslim imams, muftis and clerics in the world, and in Indonesia in particular, vociferously denouncing and repudiating this crime as un-Islamic and coming to the defense of Muslim women?

Why haven’t they shut down this crime against women, since it is, after all, so un-Islamic? Where are all the tens of thousands of Muslims gathering in mass demonstrations around the world shouting in moral indignation and fury about their young little Muslim girls having their clitorises cut out with broken glass and being maimed for life, as they do about Danish cartoons and American movies? Why do cartoons and films mean more to them than the brutal maiming of their women?

Hmmm. What a great mystery this continues to be.

One can’t help from wondering: could it all have something possibly to do with the fact that female genital

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: crushislam; female; fgm; genital; genitalmutilation; islam; islamiccorruption; muslim; mutilation; qitalislam; rop

1 posted on 12/10/2012 9:36:43 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

Coming to a neighborhood near you soon, supported by Sharia law.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 9:40:36 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Perseverando

noooo,
A way of life for mooselimbs.
A rich tradition for this “great Religion”!!!!!!!!!!!


3 posted on 12/10/2012 9:40:46 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Perseverando

There is no religion more afraid of females than Islam.

There are no cretins more afraid of Islam than liberals.


4 posted on 12/10/2012 9:41:14 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Perseverando

Pam Geller is shrewd? I think she’s brilliant! How can something that is “fringe” be widespread?


5 posted on 12/10/2012 9:43:30 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Perseverando

Where is our media? WHY nothing about this “War On Women” from Mr Obama?

The same media blackout has his Hamas recent pledge to destroy Israel

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2012/December/Hamas-Well-Never-Surrender-Palestine/

If some person alleged to be on the Right did anything approaching this or said anything this appalling we would hear a LOT more


6 posted on 12/10/2012 9:46:19 AM PST by usmc19651990. (Adelson Traitor, chik fil a,amnesty,obama,RINO, Keynesian Kenyan)
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To: Perseverando

7 posted on 12/10/2012 9:54:05 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Joe Boucher

FGM is clearly Islam's greatest contribution to the world in the medical/scientific field. </sarc>


8 posted on 12/10/2012 9:58:30 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's the OBOTS who are filling up prisons for violent crimes, not the Tea Party.)
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To: Perseverando
No defense of Muslim involvement in this practice from me. However, this article attempts to deceive its readers.

“Circumcision is obligatory (O: for both men and women. ... for women, removing the prepuce (Ar. Bazr) of the clitoris.”

This is their support for the claim that it is a required Muslim practice.

And then this is how they describe the practice:

By amputating the clitoris, Islam’s mutilators succeed in maiming the woman’s sexual desire and pleasure

The practice described in A is not the same at that described in B. Any more than circumcision of a male is the same thing as amputation of the penis.

9 posted on 12/10/2012 10:02:42 AM PST by Sherman Logan ((One of the unpopular pale penis people.))
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To: Perseverando

Big deal. We have pervert-pandering doctors charging a fortune for these genital mutilation procedures and we call them transgenders.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 10:11:40 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Perseverando
Best presentation on the subject I have ever seen:

Warning: Graphic, R rated, Not sexy.

Ann Barnhardt: "Islamic Sexuality [A Survey of Evil]" Part 1 of 4

2 of 4

3 of 4

4 of 4

11 posted on 12/10/2012 10:28:29 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Perseverando; Alamo-Girl; marron; xzins; TXnMA; MHGinTN; metmom; YHAOS; hosepipe; spirited irish
It is clear, of course, why the Left wants to do and say nothing about Islamic FGM, and, since it has control of the boundaries of our culture’s discourse, why it makes sure to smear and punish anyone who dares to say — or tries to do — anything about it.... [T]he Left cannot reach its hand out in compassion and solidarity to the suffering people under Islam, or under any other tyranny. Doing so would be an admission of the evil of an adversary culture and ideology, which, in turn, casts a spotlight on the superiority and goodness of Western civilization, and therefore serves as a reminder of the importance of protecting and saving it. For the Left, such a concept is nightmarish and anathema, because its entire purpose is to revile and destroy its host society. For leftists to admit the dark realities of Islamic jihad and Islamic gender apartheid is to jeopardize their entire cause, identities, social belongings, cultural and material rewards, and their narcissistic cravings for approval and admiration in their “progressive” milieus.... Thus, by necessity, in the Left’s vicious and heartless mindset, the victims who suffer under barbaric adversarial regimes must be pushed into spheres of invisibility.... This is the long dark story of the Western Left, which has its hands drenched in human blood — busy at it is in perpetually sacrificing human beings on the altar of its twisted utopian ideals.

The radical Left can make common cause with radical Islam because they are "brothers" of the same "father."

I don't have a clue what non-radical Islam looks like. Though I am told that most Muslims are good, moderate, pious people of Peace, I notice that, historically, this people tends to wreak havoc wherever it goes; and it's always on the move. It is, after all, under Allah's command to "Muslimize" the human race, by the sword if necessary.

I also notice that, when they're not busy murdering the infidel, or the detested Jews, they're busy murdering each other. And mutilating their women. And as the article points out, they're doing all these things with the the full "blessings" of the Imams, the clerical class.

Though it is politically incorrect to say it, I do not believe that Allah is any kind of god. For openers, he's in the human slavery business — all believers must subject themselves utterly to his demands, or be killed. (Neither Christianity nor Judaism require abject submission to God.)

But what are those demands? I hypothesize they are the sort of "demands" that would come to the disordered mind of a primitive, barbaric sixth-century Bedouin warlord by the name of Mohammed. I further speculate that "Allah" is merely the "projection" of the mind of this guy.

For Evil is as Evil does.

Anyhoot, it seems the Islamic hierarchy of being goes something like this: Men must utterly submit themselves to the Will of Allah; women must utterly submit themselves to the will of men.

Needless to say, I find this a very disagreeable arrangement. And I do believe that there are thousands of Muslim women in Egypt right now, seeking equal rights under just laws, who would agree with me.

They know the Muslim Brotherhood is not their friend: Sharia law locks them into de facto slavery forever....

My heart goes out to them.

It seems the post-modern West is in conflict with the Sixth Century....

12 posted on 12/10/2012 10:28:39 AM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Well, Islam sort of practices sex change in female “circumcision”. They do their best to turn them into little boys.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 10:30:43 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Travis McGee

“Kill all but the children”, is the first thing that comes to my mind.


14 posted on 12/10/2012 10:39:03 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Enterprise

“How can something that is “fringe” be widespread?”

Male genital mutilation—AKA circumcision—is also a very widespread practice in the U.S. that for some reason doesn’t get nearly the same level of attention/concern. I’ve always wondered why.


15 posted on 12/10/2012 10:45:02 AM PST by DrC
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To: Sherman Logan
The fact remains that it is the Islamic fundamentalists who are promoting it, and demanding its re-legalization in Egypt.
16 posted on 12/10/2012 11:19:36 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: betty boop; Perseverando; Alamo-Girl; marron; xzins; TXnMA; MHGinTN; metmom; YHAOS; hosepipe

betty: The radical Left can make common cause with radical Islam because they are “brothers” of the same “father.”

Spirited: Indeed, and as ‘brothers’ they have this in common: denial of free will and personal accountability.

Brother Leftist denies moral culpability in terms of cause. Nothing bad can ever be his fault because he is genetically, environmentally and chemically determined and caused to think, speak and do whatever (fill in the blanks).

Brother Muslim denies personal responsibility for his libido by making females culpable: “If she had not looked at him just so or had been wearing her burqa, none of this would have happened.”

Both brothers have this in common as well: victimhood-—they are angry victims.


17 posted on 12/10/2012 11:22:39 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: DrC

A difference might be that female genitalia mutilation takes away the ability of a female to enjoy sex. Circumcision does not do the same to a male.


18 posted on 12/10/2012 11:27:01 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Perseverando

Islam is just a Faith of Hate and a Cult of Insanity. And how the liberals and Globalists would scream if Christians did this


19 posted on 12/10/2012 11:48:46 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Enterprise

Not in my neighborhood. Someone touches my daughter or wife and they’ll get to find out real fast like that they ain’t getting any 72 virgins.

I have no respect or consideration for a religion that focuses harm on others. Islam is a false religion and one that is based on hate and fear.

But, if they want to mess with my family, I’ll show them the true meaning of what sheer utter terror feels like.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 11:57:32 AM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: spirited irish; Perseverando; Alamo-Girl; marron; xzins; TXnMA; MHGinTN; metmom; YHAOS; hosepipe; ..
Brother Muslim denies personal responsibility for his libido by making females culpable: “If she had not looked at him just so or had been wearing her burqa, none of this would have happened.”

Right. And thus it follows that any woman can be raped — even gang raped — with impunity. And if she does not have four male witnesses to testify before the Sharia court that the rape actually occurred, then the rape simply didn't happen.

Even if she can come up with four male witnesses, thus to be discharged from any imputed personal culpability for the event; and even if her aggressors are charged with a criminal act (a remote possibility) and she is restored to her community, STILL her male family members — and even her own mother — will try to kill her, for she has brought "dishonor on the family."

Sick, sick, sick.

Muslim ideology simply "castrates" men — because it totally fouls the relations that naturally obtain between the male and female of our species. But Muslim males typically don't seem to be aware of this problem, though it is a problem that strikes them at the most basic root of their human nature.

Except for Salmon Rushdie, who did notice the problem, who was aware of it, and wrote about it in The Satanic Verses.

His speaking out earned him a Fatwa from no less a personage than (the late) Ayatollah Khomeini himself: There's a price on Rushdie's head. But so far, no one has managed to collect it.

In closing, why should there not be a culture, not only of female, but of male victimhood, when one's theology itself preaches the doctrine of submission to a God who lives on routine human bloodshed?

Thank you ever so much, spirited irish, dear sister in Christ, for your astute observations!

21 posted on 12/10/2012 12:52:19 PM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Gator113

22 posted on 12/10/2012 1:12:03 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DrC

Because cutting off some male foreskin from an infant is not the same as tricking an 11-year-old girl into a “little nick,” then having ten sisters and aunts hold you down, legs spread, naked, while your entire clitoris is excised with two or more angled passes of a straigh razor.

That’s what happens in FMG, not the little “nick” you will claim happens.

Any more than you should believe that the Nazis just gave “showers” to the Jews, and sometimes they passed out.

Don’t mistake the atrocity cover story of Nazis (or Islamonazis, for the reality of what they do.

Unless you are A. a damn fool or B. a damn liar.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 1:16:05 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Well said, Travis.

And don’t forget that in n. Africa, in addition to excising the entire clitoris, some tribes of Muslims will remove the labia and finish up theprocedure by sewing the vagina shut, necessitating her reopening on the wedding night by the husband with a knife. After all, blood on the sheets is proof of virginity.


24 posted on 12/10/2012 1:31:13 PM PST by ladyrustic
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To: ladyrustic

The devil’s own false religion. It makes the devil’s deal with men: enslave and rape women at will in life, and get 72 virgins in heaven if you die in jihad.

Sick, sick, sick. The most wildly successful evil mass-cult in history, because it plays to male desire and weakness.

We’re going to find out, sooner or later, if Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.


25 posted on 12/10/2012 1:34:03 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Very well said.


26 posted on 12/10/2012 1:58:29 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: BCR #226

I have a better idea. Should someone attempt to harm your wife or daughter in the name of Islam, how about restraining them and letting them experience the glory of mutilation for themselves?


27 posted on 12/10/2012 2:43:30 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

Not a bad idea. I was just going to slowly cut them up and feed them to my daughters pythons and let them watch being slowly consumed over weeks and weeks and weeks.


28 posted on 12/10/2012 3:22:12 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: BCR #226
What do you have against those poor little defenseless pythons?

:)

29 posted on 12/10/2012 3:58:48 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: betty boop

WoW much too much of a negative factor this subject for me to approach......
I need no more impetus to despise Islam... there is too much to HATE..

Disfigureing little girls in this way or in any way.. fills me with disgust..
Makes the bible reference to comit genocide(on some) seem a worthy objective..

I’ll leave it at that.. in the bible GOD hates some things..
Islam is a proven hateful religion.. in a hundred ways..
Tolerance of it is even................ HATEFUL..


30 posted on 12/10/2012 5:19:52 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Enterprise

LOL... Okay, I’ll feed the bad guys to the retic. He’ll eat anything and anyone.


31 posted on 12/10/2012 6:26:36 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: ladyrustic
And don’t forget that in n. Africa, in addition to excising the entire clitoris, some tribes of Muslims will remove the labia and finish up the procedure by sewing the vagina shut, necessitating her reopening on the wedding night by the husband with a knife. After all, blood on the sheets is proof of virginity.

Lovely wedding night. And you know he's doing that for a reason and has no intention of waiting until she heals.

How those women can defend this religion and culture is BEYOND me. I don't know why they don't bail at the least opportunity.

The ones that are the most reprehensible are the ones who've made it to the free west and still carry the barbarity with them. The ones trapped there beyond their control have no choice but to endure it.

32 posted on 12/10/2012 7:33:33 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DrC; Sherman Logan

Apparently you missed Sherman Logan’s response at Post 9.


33 posted on 12/11/2012 8:02:28 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Perseverando

“extreme and integral fringe” ... isn’t “integral fringe” oxymoronic?


34 posted on 12/11/2012 8:05:13 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

There is a continuum of FMG. At its mildest it is little more than a symbolic nick. This goes thru stages of removal of the prepuce, amputation of the entire clitoris, excisement of various parts or all of the labia, to all of the above plus sewing the vagina shut.

I’m not in favor of any of them, but let’s not make ourselves look foolish by claiming they’re all the same thing. Any more than the normal male circumcision is “the same thing” as amputation of the penis and/or testicles. After all, they’re all “male genital mutilation.”

BTW, there are some men in this country who get seriously worked up over the issue of MGM. I don’t get it, personally. It just isn’t that big a deal to most men who’ve been thru the procedure.


35 posted on 12/11/2012 10:46:48 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Enterprise
A difference might be that female genitalia mutilation takes away the ability of a female to enjoy sex.

FWIW, you might want to know that some, I don't know what percentage, of women who've been through the procedure, even of the most extreme variety, claim that it doesn't remove their ability to enjoy sex with their husbands.

I have no idea whether they know what they're missing or if they are telling the truth, but that's what they say when talking to female western anthropologists.

Which ought to give us something to think about as to whether we fully understand the mechanisms of female sexual pleasure.

36 posted on 12/11/2012 10:50:42 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“there are some men in this country who get seriously worked up over the issue of MGM. I don’t get it, personally. It just isn’t that big a deal to most men who’ve been thru the procedure.”

You’re quite correct there’s a continuum of both FGM and MGM. Circumcision isn’t the equivalent of getting one’s penis cut off (nor did I ever claim it was), nor is it the equivalent of the most radical forms of FGM. That said, it is largely perpetrated on innocent victims who by definition do not consent to the procedure. Moreover, my understanding is that no anesthesia is used (this is certain true at a bris) even though it is now well-established that the procedure causes pain to infant males subjected to the procedure.

There’s mixed evidence of efficacy, but for whatever minor benefit is conferred, I’m not sure there’s any inherent benefit over circumcision at age 18. If so, it’s unclear why we routinely subject male infants to this trauma instead of letting said males decide for themselves at age 18 whether the small benefits are worth whatever discomfort is involved (I’m assuming that age 18, it would not be dangerous to use anesthesia for the procedure as I know from experience that anesthesia is certainly used for sterilization etc.).

So my point wasn’t to claim male circumcision is as bad as FGM might be for the average FGM victim. I’m simply expressing surprise that what might be viewed as a gratuitously traumatic procedure is so routinely accepted for males. I think visitors from Mars might well wonder why we are so barbaric etc.


37 posted on 12/11/2012 2:04:04 PM PST by DrC
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To: Travis McGee

For every Daughter that undergoes FGM their father and/or brothers, uncles, grandpas, etc.. should have to undergo Castration...

This would end that barbaric practice immediately!


38 posted on 12/12/2012 7:04:43 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Perseverando

Of course the radical left has to bite their tongues as they pray to the suicide pact that is cultural relativism.


39 posted on 12/12/2012 7:06:04 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG
Better yet, the “full” eunuch treatment.Not just the gonads.
40 posted on 12/12/2012 7:06:37 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Agreed, that would be the only way to end this abomination towards the women and the only penalty that would endd the islamic war on women.


41 posted on 12/12/2012 7:10:25 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

The islamic war on women will only end with the end of the barbaric murder and rape cult itself.

“We’re going to find out, sooner or later, if Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.”


42 posted on 12/12/2012 7:17:10 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Sherman Logan

Don’t be a chump who is an apologist for monsters, believing the monsters’ lying cover story for actual FGM.

If you believe the “little nick” story that they tell young girls prior to the atrocity, I have a really nice group delousing shower in Bavaria I can sell you cheap.

The Germans were really into hygiene, apparantly, even in concentration camps.

Do you believe that cover story lie too?

Do you always believe lying monsters, or only some of them?


43 posted on 12/12/2012 7:23:07 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Can you read?

I fully agreed that some, perhaps most, of the FGM done is horrific. The extent of the “operation” varies greatly, mostly by nation or tribe.

But the spectrum I described does indeed exist, and your ranting doesn’t change that.

And most Moslems don’t practice FGM at all.

Since you’ve already Godwinned the discussion, let’s talk about anti-semitism. It’s been around for millenia, but there has always been a spectrum, from vague dislike of Jews to attempted genocide. But it wasn’t until the 20th that the genocide boys really made a run for it.

So is “all antisemitism the same?” Is the “restricted” country club in Ohio exactly the same thing as Auschwitz?

It is possible to recognize that a practice is bad while at the same time recognizing that some versions are much worse than others?


44 posted on 12/12/2012 8:20:28 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Yep, you are an apologist for the monsters, spreading the lie about the “little nick” to lure the young girls in for the atrocity.

Elsewise if you told the truth, they would run in horror.


45 posted on 12/13/2012 4:36:26 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Sherman Logan

PS: Look at the little girl sex slaves / “brides” up in #7, and guess who is pre and post FGM atrocity.

By their happy or dead faces, mostly.

If that bothers you at all.


46 posted on 12/13/2012 4:38:36 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee


47 posted on 12/17/2012 10:35:24 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando
I know it's off topic and out of date, but I'm sending this to you this way just for conveience. Please feel free to copy and share these meme images outside of the conservative choir.

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48 posted on 12/22/2012 8:04:48 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I know it's off topic and out of date, but I'm sending this to you this way just for convenience. Please feel free to copy and share these meme images outside of the conservative choir.

Thanks, Travis. You have some really great graphics, and we all know a picture is worth a thousand words. I will gladly share them with friends, family, etc. with full attribution.

Hope you and yours had a great Christmas and that you got lots of new toys of the Quantico Tactical variety.

Off topic also:

These guys are one of my new "favorites" as a result of their behavior last weekend at the local Salem, VA gun show.

I saw old badly beat up USGI mags with an ask price of $40. Ten yards away, Quantico Tactical was selling new Magpul no-window P mags for $12.99, limit of 3 and they had at least 1,500 on hand. I waited in line for about 45 minutes to get a couple. And I know of one guy who went through the line 3 times Saturday.

They even shut down their website on Christmas Day for online sales to give their employees the day off. Also, the President & CEO is a retired Marine Major.

By the way, I've been to a lot of Roanoke area gun shows over the years and I have NEVER seen anything like the HUGE crowd that was there on Saturday. It was great!

49 posted on 12/27/2012 8:58:17 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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