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diodon349.com ^ | 6 December, 2001 | na

Posted on 12/10/2012 11:39:16 AM PST by marktwain

So let's take a step back, and look at Switzerland's unique gun laws and culture.

"While traveling around Switzerland on Sundays, everywhere one hears gunfire, but a peaceful gunfire: this is the Swiss practicing their favorite sport, their national sport. They are doing their obligatory shooting, or practicing for the regional, Cantonal or federal shooting festivals, as their ancestors did it with the musket, the arquebus or the crossbow. Everywhere, one meets urbanites and country people, rifle to the shoulder, causing foreigners to exclaim: 'You are having a revolution!'" These words were written by General Henri Guisan, commander in chief of the Swiss Militia Army, the year before World War II began.

Having participated in Swiss shooting matches for over a decade, Stephen Halbrook can attest to the continuing validity of this statement. Throughout the country, people are free to come and go for shooting competitions, and competitors are commonly seen with firearms on trains, buses, bicycles, and on foot.

In 1939, just before Hitler launched World War II, Switzerland hosted the International Shooting Championships. Swiss president Philipp Etter told the audience, which included representatives from Nazi Germany:

There is probably no other country which, like Switzerland, gives the soldier his weapon to keep in the home.... With this rifle, he is able every hour, if the country calls, to defend his hearth, his home, his family, his birthplace.... The Swiss does not part with his rifle.

Switzerland won the service-rifle team championship. The lesson was not lost on the Nazi observers.

Halbrook details in Target Switzerland: Swiss Armed Neutrality in World War II, the Swiss militia policy of a rifle in every home deterred a Nazi invasion. A Nazi attack would have cost far more in Wehrmacht blood than did the easy conquests of the other European countries, whose governments had restricted firearm ownership before the war. Many hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of Swiss — and refugees who found sanctuary there — were saved because every Swiss had a rifle, and was prepared to resist.

To this day, every male, when he turns 20, is issued a full automatic military rifle and required to keep it at home. Universal service in the Militia Army is required. When a Swiss is no longer required to serve, he may keep his rifle (converted from automatic to semi-automatic) or his pistol (if he served as an officer).

American Founding Fathers such as John Adams and Patrick Henry greatly admired the Swiss militia, which helped inspire the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution — the preference for a "well regulated militia" as "necessary for the security of a free state," and the guarantee of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." Late in the 19th century, the American military sent observers to Switzerland in hopes of emulating the Swiss shooting culture.

The American Founders also admired Switzerland's decentralized system of government. Switzerland is a confederation in which the federal government has strictly defined and limited powers, and the cantons, even more so than American states, have the main powers to legislate. The citizens often exercise direct democracy, in the form of the initiative and the referendum. The late political scientist Gianfranco Miglio said the Swiss enjoyed the "last, real federalism in the world," as opposed to the "false and/or deteriorated" federalism of Germany or America.

For centuries, the Swiss cantons had no restrictions on keeping and bearing arms, though every male was required to provide himself with arms for militia service. By the latter part of the 20th century, some cantons required licenses to carry pistols, imposed fees for the acquisition of certain firearms (which could be evaded by buying them in other cantons), and imposed other restrictions — albeit never interfering with the ever-present shooting matches.

In other cantons — usually those with the lowest crime rates — one did not need a police permit for carrying a pistol or for buying a semiautomatic, lookalike Kalashnikov rifle. A permit was necessary only for a non-militia machine gun. Silencers or noise suppressors were unrestricted. Indeed, the Swiss federal government sold to civilian collectors all manner of military surplus, including antiaircraft guns, cannon, and machine guns.

In 1996, the Swiss people voted to allow the federal government to legislate concerning firearms, and to prohibit the cantons from regulating firearms. Some who favored more restrictions (as in other European countries) saw this as a way to pass gun-control laws at the federal level; those who objected to restrictions in some cantons saw it as a way to preempt cantonal regulation, such as the former requirement in Geneva of a permit for an air gun.

The result is a federal firearms law that imposes certain restrictions, but leaves virtually untouched the ability of citizens to possess Swiss military firearms, and to participate in competitions all over the country.

The Federal Weapons Law of 1998 regulates import, export, manufacture, trade, and certain types of possession of firearms. The right of buying, possessing, and carrying arms is guaranteed with certain restrictions. It does not apply to the police or to the Militia Army — of which most adult males are members.

The law forbids fully automatic arms and certain semiautomatics "derived" therefrom; but Swiss military assault rifles are excluded from this prohibition. (The exclusion makes the prohibition nearly meaningless.) Further, collectors may obtain special permits for the "banned" arms, such as submachine guns and machine guns.

In purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer, a permit is required for handguns and some long guns, but not for single-shot rifles, multi-barrel rifles, Swiss bolt-action military rifles, target rifles, or hunting rifles. Permits must be granted provided the applicant is at least 18 years old and has no disqualifying criminal record. Authorities may not keep any registry of firearms owners. Private persons may freely buy and sell firearms without restriction, provided that they retain a written agreement, and that the seller believes the purchaser is not criminally disqualified.

A permit was already required for manufacturing and dealing in firearms, but now there are more regulations still. Storage regulations exist for both shops and individuals. During the Cold War, the government required every house to include a bomb shelter, which today often provide safe storage for large collections of firearms (and double as wine cellars).

Criminal penalties depend on intent. Willfully committing an offense may be punishable by incarceration for up to five years, but failure to comply through neglect, or without intent, may result in a fine or no punishment at all.

Before 1998, about half the cantons (like 33 American states) allowed all law-abiding citizens to carry handguns for protection in public; in some cases, an easily obtainable permit was needed. The new federal law makes permits necessary everywhere, and, so far, permits have been issued restrictively. (Still, one can freely carry a handgun or rifle to a shooting range, and there is one in every village, nook, and cranny.)

Zug, site of the September murders, had always been a difficult place to obtain a handgun carry permit (Waffentragschein). Even if permits had been issued readily, it might not have made a difference on September 27, since, as one of our Swiss friends put it: "the mental climate of Zug was entirely peaceful. While I would — before the outrage — not at all have been surprised to learn that in the Uri or Ticino or the Grisons assembly there were members carrying arms, in Zug I would have been surprised indeed. This is exactly what the mad felon exploited, a state of mind. There are more parallels between the hideous September crimes than first meet the eyes!"

Any proposed new restrictions on peaceable firearm possession and use will be opposed by the Militia Army; by shooting organizations, such as the Swiss Shooting Federation; and by the gun-rights group ProTell, named after William Tell, who shot an apple off his son's head. Their allies are the political parties that support free trade, federalism, limited government, non-interventionism, and remaining independent from international organizations such as the European Union or United Nations.

Supporters of firearm restrictions tend to be socialists and Leftists — including those who wish to abolish the Militia Army, to strengthen the central government to be more like Germany, and to join the European Union. Ironically, the Swiss Socialist Party went through a similar period at the beginning of Hitler's rise. But the Swiss socialists soon recognized the danger, and in 1942 — when Switzerland was completely surrounded by Axis dictatorships — the Socialist Party resolved that "the Swiss should never disarm, even in peacetime."

Since September 27, the European media have been complaining about this "armed country" where every citizen is a "potential sniper." But the fact is, Switzerland is just as safe as countries where firearms are far more restricted. In 1994, the homicide rate in Switzerland was 1.32 per 100,000 in the population. Of those, 0.58 (44 percent) involved firearms. Compare this to Italy 2.25 (1.66 firearms), France 1.12 (0.44), and Germany 1.17 (0.22).

The Swiss household gun-ownership rate is 27 percent excluding militia weapons. Contrast this with the household gun-ownership rates (at least for households willing to divulge gun ownership to a government-affiliated telephone pollster) of 16 percent for Italians, 23 percent for French, and 9 percent for Germans.

The far left has been demanding massive new gun control, and prohibition on keeping militia rifles in the home. The Defence Minister has ruled out such changes, however. The Justice Department will push for an amendment to the federal gun law which would abolish private firearms transfers; all private transfers would require police approval.

While most of Switzerland's less-armed neighbors are as peaceful as Switzerland, danger emanates from the Balkans — the former Yugoslavia and Albania — not to mention from the chaos that's followed the breakup of the Soviet Union. Political terrorists and organized criminals are swamping Europe. Indeed, the same terrorist organizations that murdered Americans on September 11 operate in all European countries, including Switzerland. The new Swiss federal-weapons law is in part a reaction to this turmoil. But given that terrorists may buy black market AK-47s from the former Red Army in all European countries, the Swiss federal law impinges more on law-abiding Swiss than it does on foreign miscreants.

One wonders whether more gun laws will do as much good for Switzerland as would imprisoning people who threaten bus drivers with a gun, or improving supervision of released felony sexual predators against children.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; swiss; swissguns; switzerland
This is a decade old report, but it gives a good overview of Swiss gun laws.

There are links embeded at the site.

1 posted on 12/10/2012 11:39:22 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain; Honeybunch
Mrs. Sooner would be horrified and aghast at those young ladies - RIDING THEIR BIKES WITH NO HELMETS.

She sees the results of it too often in rehab.

2 posted on 12/10/2012 12:04:46 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: marktwain

***Switzerland won the service-rifle team championship. The lesson was not lost on the Nazi observers. ***

I remember reading of the discussion between the Germans and the Swiss.

The German said..”Our army is five times larger than yours. What would you do if we invaded?”

The Swiss said..”All our men would fire five shots, then go home..”


3 posted on 12/10/2012 12:06:03 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SAVE THE SUMATRAN RAT MONKEY!)
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To: marktwain
Switzerland is a homogenous country/culture and has virtually NONE of the minority problems we have here in America...
4 posted on 12/10/2012 12:06:29 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain

And yet, the firearm bigots continue to push their agenda there. Same as here.

Firearm bigots never stop, nor tire, in the fight to diminish freedom and liberty:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-02-13-swiss-gun-law_N.htm


5 posted on 12/10/2012 12:13:26 PM PST by Noamie
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To: marktwain

Heavyset emo chick riding a bike with a rifle strapped to her back bump.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 12:19:42 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: marktwain

Switzerland is also rated more free than us now...and, they have not had a war since 1551. An excellent country to immigrate to if you can satisfy their immigration criteria...although you can live there for extended time without problem.


7 posted on 12/10/2012 12:22:27 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Noamie
Firearm bigots never stop, nor tire, in the fight to diminish freedom and liberty:

BTW, back in the 1980's, I learned the term for people who hate guns are called "hoplophobes," actually fear of weapons but can be applied here too. I think the late Jeff Cooper came out with that term in 1962.
8 posted on 12/10/2012 12:39:15 PM PST by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: central_va

Both chicks are hot! I’d be glad to make my Marlin Model 60 and join them on the range anyday of the week. B-)


9 posted on 12/10/2012 12:41:13 PM PST by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: OKSooner
No helmets motorists are very respectful of bike riders who have assault rifles on there backs. Iam sure the motorist stay a nice distance away from them.
10 posted on 12/10/2012 1:08:02 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: marktwain

I’d be willing to bet serious money they don’t have any cops using citizen’s dogs for target practice in that country.


11 posted on 12/10/2012 1:08:53 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Chode

“Switzerland is a homogenous country/culture “

Well, sort of, but getting French, Germans and Italians to live together harmoniously does take SOME effort...;)


12 posted on 12/10/2012 1:20:54 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Chode

And you forget one other major item — it does not worship at the altar of the UN. Switzerland remains sovereign.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 1:28:11 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: marktwain

bkmk


14 posted on 12/10/2012 1:58:52 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: marktwain
Our Second Amendment was never about hunting .. for dinner.


Bravo Switzerland !

15 posted on 12/10/2012 2:21:32 PM PST by tomkat
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To: fattigermaster
"I’d be willing to bet serious money they don’t have any cops using citizen’s dogs for target practice in that country."

But it might explain why their cheese is full of holes!

16 posted on 12/10/2012 2:27:31 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Wpin
they have not had a war since 1551

Switzerland had a civil war in 1847.

17 posted on 12/10/2012 2:44:27 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Nowhere Man; All
I’d be glad to make my Marlin Model 60

Is that a typo or a Freudian slip ;-)

18 posted on 12/10/2012 2:47:23 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Joe 6-pack

But the BRRRRRRRR

I’m spoiled down here in SFL. Should go to the beach this w/e.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 2:48:42 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( >-> Zombies eat brains. >-> 50% of FL is safe.)
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To: marktwain

You are correct! I had read that false claim on a Swiss website! My apologies...


20 posted on 12/10/2012 3:29:03 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: marktwain

The Germans did not invade Switzerland because they needed the banking angle, governmentally and privately.


21 posted on 12/10/2012 3:35:27 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: marktwain
In the 1970s, SIG began work on designing a handgun that would balance price with quality. Swiss law limits the ability of Swiss companies to manufacture arms and Swiss companies who wish to do this have to do so by using a foreign partner. In the case of SIG they chose the German firm of Sauer & Sohn. The SIG Sauer line of handguns began in 1975 with the SIG Sauer SIG P220.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_Sauer

Unique Swiss gun laws indeed.

Never mind the massive violence problems that Switzerland has with immigrant criminals from (mostly) Turkey, the Balkans and (more recently) northern Africa. And all those guns in private hands have so far proven to be useless in the face of the reality of political correctness - which prevents the Swiss people from actually doing something about it. Now there is a lesson to be learned...

22 posted on 12/10/2012 3:55:47 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: 353FMG
bingo...
23 posted on 12/10/2012 4:56:21 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nailbiter

bflr


24 posted on 12/10/2012 5:01:20 PM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Frank_2001
true, but... they are more alike than not in their thoughts and desires and they don't have a large(and growing)segment of their population with a welfare mentality that all have their hand out expecting something for nothing and a kill whitey attitude
25 posted on 12/10/2012 5:02:39 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain

I spent 10 days in Switzerland and southern Germany a couple of weeks ago. In Zurich there was a small but well inventoried gun shop about a block from my hotel. They had everything from swiss made super heavy 22lr bolt action competition target rifles to every type of “assault” rifle and pistol. I felt a breath of freedom just going into the shop.

I also noticed a distinct lack of foam bike helmets on casual bicycle riders. Only the “racer” types in spandex suits had the obligatory helmets. I used to think that this area had more of the nanny stuff than the US but we have them totally beaten in terms of useless fretting and trying to force everyone to do what the “smart” people say.


26 posted on 12/10/2012 5:03:05 PM PST by zagger
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To: marktwain

It looks like creeping regulation to me. They should have never allowed their federal government to get involved.


27 posted on 12/10/2012 5:34:16 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

True, once anything becomes “federal” there is no competition between the cantons (states) and the only way to escape the rules is to totally leave the country.


28 posted on 12/10/2012 6:06:32 PM PST by zagger
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To: Chode
"Switzerland is a homogenous country/culture and has virtually NONE of the minority problems we have here in America..."

Wrong.

Thirty percent of their population is either immigrants, or children of immigrants.

Don't know what sort of agenda you are pushing, but please do it with facts.

29 posted on 12/10/2012 7:20:37 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: diogenes ghost
it would appear that their immigrants try to homogenize into their culture and have the same values as the country they are moving into with the same goals in mind, but i may be wrong as i don't live there and never seem to read about problems there in the news that we have here

my point is we have a problem with urban gun crime... take out urban gun crime and we have as low a gun crime rate as anywhere in europe with several orders of magnitude more guns

30 posted on 12/10/2012 7:50:05 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Moltke
And all those guns in private hands have so far proven to be useless in the face of the reality of political correctness - which prevents the Swiss people from actually doing something about it.

Are you sure? Can you imagine a poster like the one below in American politics? And did you know that they recently approved a law at the federal level for the automatic expulsion of any foreigner who commits any but the most minor crimes?



31 posted on 12/11/2012 12:01:23 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Chode
I'm sorry, but Switzerland is anything BUT homogenous -- in fact it's one of the most diverse countries in Europe: it has 4 official languages: German, French, Italian and Rheatian and most people know at least 3 if not 4 and in addition would know English

It also is nearly evenly split between Catholics and Protestants and they had a civil war in the 1800s over this when the Protestant cantons invaded the Catholic ones

The German speakers also are not a monolithic bloc but see their individual dialects as separate

4.5% of residents are Moslems

32 posted on 12/11/2012 12:58:10 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Wpin
they have not had a war since 1551

Sorry, that's wrong

1653: The Swiss Peasant's war: Lucerne, Berna, Basel etc. who were agricultural revolted against the urban cantons of Zurich etc. Bern and Lucerne were beseiged

1798: Switzerland was conquered by the French and converted into the "Helvetic Republic" which was really a French proxy. And it remained as such until 1815 and the Congress of Vienna

Then in 1847 there was the Swiss Civil war -- the Sonderbundskreig which started after seven Catholic cantons formed the Sonderbund ("separate alliance") in 1845 to protect their interests against a centralization of power. The Catholic cantons wanted a federal state, the Calvinist counties wanted a strong central government and started to shut down monasteries etc.

THIS, 1847 is what made Switzerland that island of neutrality. Earlier it was a consquence of location, but post this, it was national imperative.

33 posted on 12/11/2012 1:11:29 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: OldPossum
They should have never allowed their federal government to get involved.

Yes, they changed a formula that had worked well for a hundred and fifty years.

34 posted on 12/11/2012 1:41:51 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Cronos

Yes, it is my apologies...I was checking out Switzerland as a possible re-location place for my wife and I. One of the websites I went to made that claim. They are rated more free than we are now...and they do have a substantial Christian population...


35 posted on 12/11/2012 5:14:24 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: diogenes ghost

“Thirty percent of their population is either immigrants, or children of immigrants.”

That does not mean that they are not homogenuous...so, what is your point?


36 posted on 12/11/2012 5:42:10 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin
well, they are free, but they HAD a substantial Christian population -- atheism is on the rise, especially in the cities like Zurich, Geneva etc.

they have a lot of freedoms, but with that, there is responsibility -- the communities take an interest in ensuring that their members care for each other -- like the joke that you can't flush the loo between 10pm and 6 am.

Also, if you are an immigrant to one of the smaller cantons, you need to get the entire canton to vote to say they are ok with you joining. And this is by a show of hands, not a secret ballot.

So, true libertarian

37 posted on 12/11/2012 6:10:10 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Wpin
well, they are homogenuous in the sense that I know Italians, Swiss, French, Germans etc and all say that Swiss-Italians are not like northern Italians (from the border regions say) and Swiss-Germans are different from Austrians and Bavarians etc. etc.

they all are homogenuous in the sense that they have a strong sense of community and individuality with care for others -- what I mean for that is that they work on their own, but think about others :)

38 posted on 12/11/2012 6:23:46 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Chode; Wpin
Noooo.....their immigration IS causing them problems.

Geeez....do a little research fer crissakes.

The EU is pissed at them for recently reacting to their problems by announcing restrictions on immigration from certain groups (Amish,Mennonite, etc).

39 posted on 12/11/2012 7:32:41 AM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: Nowhere Man
BTW, back in the 1980's, I learned the term for people who hate guns are called "hoplophobes," actually fear of weapons but can be applied here too.

The late Colonel Cooper did indeed popularize the term, if not coin it. But I sent him a letter correcting him: the unnatural fear of weapons is indeed hoplo-phobia, but it is hatred of guns and those who have skill-at-arms that is actually at play here, so the correct term should be hoplomisophia. Col. Cooper passed away before noting the point in print.

40 posted on 12/11/2012 10:51:07 AM PST by archy
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To: marktwain

41 posted on 12/11/2012 10:55:42 AM PST by archy
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To: Cronos

I think you nailed it...that is basically the point I was trying to make...in Switzerland the people are generally homogenous in terms of socially and culturally. I have not been there but have been reading up on them because it appears like a possibly good place to move to.


42 posted on 12/11/2012 11:50:45 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin
I've been there -- hmmm... well, it is a very nice place to live, but you must be prepared for :
1. high cost of living -- very, very high. I'd say twice the price of living in any US city, even in the countryside
2. extreme law-abidingness -- and your neighbors will call you out if you do not put the garbage out at the right time and date and don't segregate and do not respect maintaining silence

it's a country for quiet, law-abiding individuals who have a strong sense of community.

43 posted on 12/11/2012 9:02:05 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

“I’ve been there — hmmm... well, it is a very nice place to live, but you must be prepared for :”

Thank you for helping me. I have been finding out that, especially the high cost of living. Something to be said for living in an area where you have to have been productive to move to...but, I think I will probably stay here. I have a farm that makes us very independent if we go through the economic collapse that I think will hit us in the next year or two. Something to be said for being able to live somewhere where you would not have to buy much food and can live without normal utilities...and can defend more easily.


44 posted on 12/12/2012 8:03:10 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

There are plenty of large areas in North America that are the same way; Maine, NH, VT, Nova Scotia, Labrador, etc.


45 posted on 05/09/2013 4:51:07 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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