Skip to comments.Prosecutor: Zimmerman trying to 'co-opt the mantle of victimhood' from Trayvon Martin
Posted on 12/10/2012 12:36:19 PM PST by Uncle ChipEdited on 12/10/2012 2:31:37 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
In a blistering response to a recent filing by George Zimmerman's defense team, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda accuses the second-degree murder defendant of attempting "to co-opt the mantle of victimhood for himself."
Zimmerman's legal team had asked Circuit Judge Debra Nelson to force an attorney for the family of Trayvon Martin, the Miami Gardens teen shot by Zimmerman Feb. 26 in Sanford, to turn over a recorded interview of a witness described as the teen's girlfriend.
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It seems that both Bernie and Crump have been doing the historical revisions. According to Crump's interview on HLN last night he said his recording device had already been turned over to FDLE. What's up with that, Bernie???
If we follow the logic of Bob Costas,shouldn't it be Zimmerman's GUN on trial?
Hey, take a look at NOT the victim!
Every prosecutor on the team deserves to be disbarred, based on what I’ve seen thus far. This is Duke Lacrosse all over again.
The prosecutor is trying desperately to save his own a$$.
Damn hard to think of a reason the defense should not have full access to a recording of an interview with a witness.
New word to add the English lexicon: he or she has been “Duked” or “we’re gonna “Duke” you” -
He begins with a presumption of innocence.
Actually, the term coined at the time and subsequently defined in the Urban Dictionary is “Nifonged.”
To be unjustly prosecuted by a politically motivated District Attorney.
From the ACLU’s website.
“Racial Profiling” refers to the discriminatory practice by law enforcement officials of targeting individuals for suspicion of crime based on the individual’s race, ethnicity, religion or national origin. Criminal profiling, generally, as practiced by police, is the reliance on a group of characteristics they believe to be associated with crime”
Since Zimmerman is not a law enforcement officer I doubt he could be “profiling” anyone. This is just de la Rionda trying to taint a jury which is unethical. But ethical does not seem to be a guiding principal in Sanford Florida.
The prosecutors are trying to save the city of Sanford the cost of cleaning up after racial riots by framing an innocent man.
The world may be better off without Sanford and their framing prosecutors.Fearing black retribution over the killing of a scumbag is no way for a town to survive.
It’s already serving its sentence in the evidence locker without the possibility of parole.
Okay, works for me. But how many people remember his name vs how many know Duke and what happened there. I think those eighty some odd prof’s who signed that letter are still tenured.
Bernie’s responses to the defense’s motions are here:
It’s against the legal code of conduct for a DA to make public statements which can affect the impartiality of the jury pool.
Basically, a prosecutor has to keep his/her mouth shut, and save it for the trial.
We learned (or didn’t learn) the damage a DA can do by watching Nifong prep a lynch mob.
Don’t they have rules of conduct in Florida?
Or did Nifong move there and start giving lessons?
“Prosecutor: Zimmerman trying to ‘co-opt the mantle of victimhood’ from Trayvon Martin”
No co-opting is necessary when one -is- the victim of an attack.
Well, I'm glad that somebody finally "gets it"!
The DA in this case doesn't have to. He has surrogates in the form of Crump, Parks, and Jackson who are in touch with him daily and do all of that for him. Crump is the state's unofficial mouthpiece.
I've read a couple of the State's responses to motions filed by Zimmerman's attorney. I decided to stop when I came across this statement in the State's Response to Defendant's Motion to Take Additional Deposition:
"[Zimmerman] then followed Trayvon Martin even though he was told by the SPD operator not to follow the Victim."
What the dispatcher actually said when Zimmerman said he was following Martin was:
"OK we don't need you to do that."
The City of Sanford has stated in writing that the dispatcher's statement was not an order.
Nobody ever told Zimmerman not to follow Martin, yet the prosecutors repeat this lie in pleadings.
Regardless of my thoughts on the specific case, I would find this comment unprofessional at best. The prosecutor's job is to select the appropriate charge for an alleged crime, and to present the evidence truthfully in order to prove the allegations based on evidence. Playing public relations games is, to put it mildly, disgustingly inappropriate.
Further, when the defense argument is based on self-defense, the defense is supposed to take on "the mantle of victimhood". If Trayvon Martin threw the first punch, and it looks like he threw the first dozen or more punches, then George Zimmerman was the victim, and it is entirely appropriate for him to take on "the mantle of victimhood". If George Zimmerman was in danger of death or serious bodily harm, then it was appropriate for him to shoot his attacker in order to stop the threat. If not, then it is the prosecutor's job to (despite a complete absence of reliable witnesses for that assertion) prove that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon Martin and that Zimmerman was not in danger of death or serious bodily harm when he shot Trayvon Martin - and to prove both in a court of law, not on some talk show. I hope this prosecutor will lose his job, be sued for everything he has, and then be prosecuted for criminal misconduct.
“New word to add the English lexicon: he or she has been Duked or were gonna Duke you -”
I think they already added, “Being Trayvinn’ed”
Mmmm, still not as catchy as being “Duked” - “OMG!!! I’ve been Duked!” - see how that works? Being Trayvinn’ed sounds like you’ve been smacked with a food tray or something.
Is THAT your job?
Controlling the distribution of “Mantles of Victimhood”?
Or, are you worried that your prosecution is politically motivated, and substantively unfounded under the law, and the rules of evidence?
That prosecutor lie is also slapped down in #2 here:
George Zimmerman is not only the victim of Trayvon Martin, he is also the victim of the State of Florida, the political hack republican Angelo Corey, and the cowardly republican Governor Rick Scott.
Florida republicans are a particularly yellow breed indeed.
Does Bernie trust Benjamin Crump enough to make the requested representations in paragraph 2 below:
or will he try to weasel out of it in court tomorrow.
His claim from the beginning is self defense which would make him the victim.
A good deal of the evidence actually supports that claim
Disbar these political witchhunters
Playing to the crowd, trying to polute the jury pool... not going to work.
equals NOT GUILTY!
Instead of the prosecutor looking at the case from the standpoint of wanting “justice” to be done, they have become so immersed in the media circus that they believe they have too much at stake to lose if they do not prosecute Zimmerman AND find him guilty.
The prosecution gave them one the was barely understandable, and had multiple edits. They’re getting busted for that, rightly. The defense is entitled to the whole thing, or witness eight needs to go in the round metal file.
It’s been a while, but I seem to recall “profiling” being one of the elements of second degree murder. He’s hoping that if he keeps repeating it often enough....
Can we use George Z and T Martin.
I’m sick of seeing the victim as last name only and the thug as first name.
BernieDLR is Tobias Funke playing prosecutor. He wants to be the analrapist for GZ
GZ is the victim in this case...as he was attacked by Trayvon
Per the link below, and interview with Crump, about his Dee Dee conversation is part of the state’s evidence.
I’m no lawyer, but it seems that the door is wiiiide open to ask for the Dee Dee tape.....rather than just listening to Crump’s second hand (third hand?) account.
I love paragraph 7 in that response. “Put up or shut up”. He’s baiting them.
Note: These prosecutors are not from Seminole County....they were brought in from Duval County (Jax) by Gov. Scott and AG Bondi. The State Atty in Seminole was removed from case
Perhaps just as important...after told ‘we don’t need you to do that’, Zimmerman did in fact stop following Martin. You can hear his heavy breathing stop; and, he turns his attention to giving the dispatcher directions on where to find him.
Not only is it incorrect to state that an ‘order’ was given...its complete fantasy that he disobeyed the phantom ‘order’.
He’s on the neighborhood watch, and, gasp, he follows a stranger in the complex...and this vigilante calls the police. Then he does exactly what the dispatcher tells him to do.
I wonder if Zimmerman had been beaten to death, with Martin’s identity unknown...would the headline be:
“Young Hispanic Man Beaten to Death in White Neighborhood”.
Zimmerman’s response to the dispatcher (not an LEO) was “OK.” People assume that Z continued to follow Martin, but is that in fact true? Martin was bashing Z’s head against a concrete sidewalk and not soft grassy turf. The evidence is clear. Therefore I can only assume that Z left the site and was returning to his car parked along the sidewalk. Martin turned around and approached Z from behind and initated the attack which ended up with Zimmerman on the ground/sidewalk with his nose broken and his skull cracked.
I’m new in my law school career, but with regards to the discovery process, I don’t even think the courts allow to admit a third hand account. A lawyer’s interpretation of the an interview with a third party would be considered work product, if I’m not mistaken. However, maybe since Krump is not actually involved in this trial from a legal standpoint, then they could admit his testimony regarding the DeeDee interview.
Either way, I’m pretty sure if they are going to use the DeeDee evidence, that have to provide the actual conversation to the defense team, and not just Krump’s account.
Check this breakdown out. It has the timeline combined with the phone call.
<>Hes baiting them.<>
And he’s doing the same thing here with regard to the recording:
Bernie’s about to have a religious experience: Confirmation Day
Will he or will he not confirm what he knows that Crump has been monkeying with???
OS wanting money now to read their articles.
Too bad, I’ve linked a lot of folks to their pages...no more.
In the same hearing prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda states that Martin bought a can of tea at the 7-11 and Gilbreath agrees, under oath. We know Martin didn't buy tea.
If the shoe fits.........