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Watching Syria’s descent
The Washington Post ^ | Dec 10, 2012 | Jackson Diehl

Posted on 12/10/2012 12:52:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The scariest thing about Syria, from the West’s point of view, may be the gap between the hair-raising scenarios senior officials are discussing about what may happen next and their limp strategies for preventing it.

Inside the Obama administration, Syria is now likened by some to a second Somalia — only at the heart of the Middle East, and with the world’s third-largest stockpile of chemical weapons. One official recently described a near-term future in which the current, two-sided civil war breaks down into a free-for-all in which Sunni forces fight Kurds and each other as well as the Alawi remnants of Bashar al-Assad’s army; where the al-Qaeda branch known as Jabhat al-Nusra gains control over substantial parts of the country; and where the danger of chemical weapons use comes not just from the regime but from any other force that overruns a chemical weapons depot.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazigate; benghaziweapons; cia; iraq; israel; jordan; syria; turkey

1 posted on 12/10/2012 12:52:07 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: TigersEye; Marine_Uncle; onyx; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; Nachum; SJackson; GeronL; Gritty; ...

ping.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 12:55:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: All
Chcking the keyword list....find this thread:

The US Finally Admits To Sending Heavy Weapons From Libya To Syrian Rebels

So this is really on Obama's Watch.....for whatever good that does us.

3 posted on 12/10/2012 12:59:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Whenifhow

ping


4 posted on 12/10/2012 1:01:38 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Watching Syria’s descent...

I don't see any Syria descending... looks like they are even rising a bit...

oh, wait. we must be descending as well, and perhaps slightly faster.

from the department of watching the floor go up while the elevator goes down department

5 posted on 12/10/2012 1:09:15 PM PST by C210N (In favor of private rights and public happiness)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

As I mentioned elsewhere - I don’t care.

Assad vs. Al Qaeda vs. Muslim Brotherhood. Maybe they can all fight a really long war and all 3 can lose.

Its funny how the media copy Bush’s words on WMD - for Obama’s use. Of course, none of it is attributed to Obama.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 1:11:51 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Syria, Chemical Weapons And The Collapse of Deterrence

The money quote.

President Obama certainly did not like how the Bush Administration responded to Iraq, but one must ask the question: if the same problem pops up in Syria is there a better alternative?

Unfortunately Obama's entire life has not revolved around doing better. It has always revolved around doing worse.

7 posted on 12/10/2012 1:13:02 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

fyi


8 posted on 12/10/2012 1:13:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: MestaMachine

fyi


9 posted on 12/10/2012 1:16:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Just wondering when this thing is going to blow up even bigger - sure looks like it is heading that way.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 1:20:48 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

When Obama/Hillary/Huma’s Al Nusra Terrorist rebels fire WMD at Syrian Alawites, the House Assad will unleash its WMD as a counter attack. Russia of course will respond first anticipating the slow waddling US/House of Saud move.


11 posted on 12/10/2012 1:29:35 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
President Obama certainly did not like how the Bush Administration responded to Iraq,...

I guess he wouldn't want to restart the Iraq war then. /s

U.S. Troops Are Reported Back in Iraq Over Syrian Crisis

More than 3,000 U.S. military personnel have secretly returned to Iraq via Kuwait and 17,000 more are on their way in response to the civil war in Syria that has spilled over into northern Iraq, according to a report published Monday by Iran's Press TV.


12 posted on 12/10/2012 1:31:06 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: justa-hairyape
Dropping the link here you put up on the other thread:

Operation Syria: US and Western Allies Supplying Terror Cells With Chemical Weapons

13 posted on 12/10/2012 1:33:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: TigersEye

Geez,....this is going VIRAL!


14 posted on 12/10/2012 1:36:49 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: TigersEye
That is simply a response form the idiots running DC, when they realized, ooops - With all our assets tied up out west in Syria, Iraq is vulnerable to an Iranian Invasion from the east. And yes, Obama/Hillary/Huma is unraveling all the progress GWB managed.

The only potential good I can see now, is that with Syria all tied up, the Iranian Israeli battle can begin. The gross incompetence from Obama/Hillary/Huma however is going to even unravel the Israeli situation.

Are Israel and Obama About to Clash Over Syrian WMDs?

It’s quite likely that Israel is preparing to carry out strikes against any Syrian WMD facilities at risk into falling into the hands of the Syrian rebels, who are intertwined with Hamas and Al Qaeda.

These strikes are the last thing that Obama wants. From the diplomatic perspective, Israeli strikes on Syria would allow Assad to distract the Arab world from the civil war and refocus its attention on Israel. And that would undermine Obama’s effort to remove Assad.

But WMDs are not an area where Israel is likely to back off. Obama has no problem with the Muslim Brotherhood’s militias getting its hands on chemical weapons. Israel does.

15 posted on 12/10/2012 1:46:13 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Is it? I just saw a link to it on another thread.


16 posted on 12/10/2012 1:46:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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Link from the Wapo article....to Huffingpost:

Syria Rebels Create New Unified Military Command

And:

U.S., allies look to expedite Syria transition planning amid rapid rebel gains

Meetings in morrocco and French putting up money....probably borrowed also.

17 posted on 12/10/2012 1:48:50 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: justa-hairyape; Ernest_at_the_Beach

lol I didn’t even notice that YOU are the one who posted that link. More coffee!


18 posted on 12/10/2012 1:49:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Exclusive: UK military in talks to help Syria rebels
19 posted on 12/10/2012 1:54:14 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m afraid that I agree with the theory that all this talk in the media about chemical weapons is merely intended to stir up fear so Obama and Nato have an excuse to go in once again ON THE WRONG SIDE.

Obama wants the terrorists to win. He supplied them with weapons from Libya, but they aren’t winning fast enough. So he needs an excuse to go in and finish the job.

Fortunately, Russia has vowed to prevent an invasion. Let’s hope that Obama has enough sense not to start a war with Russia on behalf of his Muslim terrorist buddies.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 2:00:35 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TigersEye

No worries. Just assumed you found it on your own. Am taking the day off from business today due to the cold weather here in Texas. Cold for us Texans anyway.


21 posted on 12/10/2012 2:00:50 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape; TigersEye
Subheadline:

International coalition could offer air and sea support as well as military training

Now which International Coalition might that be?

22 posted on 12/10/2012 2:02:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: C210N

Check the updates and links on here....stuff is happening.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 2:04:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Cicero

See the link at #19.


24 posted on 12/10/2012 2:07:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Cicero
Let’s hope that Obama has enough sense not to start a war with Russia on behalf of his Muslim terrorist buddies.

Sense and progressive are mutually exclusive. Obama and Hillary want a world war because they want to have the power that their hero, FDR wielded over the American people. They do not realize that in this age there are no winners in a world war. Here is the latest news from the World War III front. An ongoing battle that may determine how this all escalates to World War.

Concern that Assad may have passed some chemical weapons to Hizballah

The battle around Al Safira, site of Syria’s biggest chemical weapons store and Scud D missiles fitted with chemical warheads, is fierce and fluid: the base changes hands every few hours in heavy fighting between Syria army and rebel forces.

Saturday, the base’s capture by the rebels triggered a warning from the Assad regime against throwing chemical weapons into the battle. Sunday, Al Safira was recaptured, but the rebels are sweeping through the surrounding villages and closing in on three sides. For now, Syrian forces control the road connecting Al Safira to Aleppo, but the rebels have seized parts of Sheikh Suleiman, the biggest air base near that city, and are getting close to that highway. Its fall would snap shut the rebel siege on Al Safira.

Control of Al Safira would place the big chemical weapons stores in the hands of rebel forces in that sector, many of whom belong to Jabhat al-Nusra, the roof organization of the al Qaeda elements fighting in Syria against the Assad regime.

25 posted on 12/10/2012 2:09:12 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yeah. NATO and Obama claim that they want to intervene to prevent the terrorists from taking over after Assad goes.

I bet. Just like they did in Libya. And Egypt. And Tunisia.

If Assad goes, it’s inevitable that the Muslim fanatics will take charge. And I should think Russia realizes that. Although they may finally decide that there’s nothing they can do to stop it. Who knows?


26 posted on 12/10/2012 2:18:43 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

The fallback plan is to setup an Alawite state along the west shoreline that includes the Russian seaport. That would have been a good deal if Obama/Hillary/Huma would have been fair negotiators. The use of WMD by Al Nusra however, will change everything.


27 posted on 12/10/2012 2:22:47 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Cicero; Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; justa-hairyape
Just posted this....from a blog at the Washington Post....by Jennifer Rubin on .....I think December 3....

I see her occasionally on the Kudlow Report....like her comments.:

Regarding the Syria Mess: Maybe Morocco can help

We do have troops in Morrocco ,...by the way.

28 posted on 12/10/2012 2:31:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: F15Eagle

Meeting to be convened in Morroco...see post #28 for a link.


29 posted on 12/10/2012 2:34:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: All

By the way, i failed to give credit for the initial link to Hot Air....think that is where I found it.


30 posted on 12/10/2012 2:35:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: justa-hairyape
An ongoing battle that may determine how this all escalates to World War.

Could this be a 21st century version of the 20th century Spanish Civil war? That war had plenty of republicans involved, as well as statists...

31 posted on 12/10/2012 2:39:48 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: justa-hairyape
Where did that plan show up?
32 posted on 12/10/2012 2:56:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Saw it somewhere. Back when they were pounding the war drums in early summer. That is what defecting people have surmised is the Alawite fallback plan. Pull back to the highlands in the west along the Med shoreline. The future for Damascus and Aleppo right now does not look good. If I see that back up plan mentioned again, will ping you.


33 posted on 12/10/2012 3:35:27 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Gee wheeze. Who at the compost gave her permission to write " Nevertheless, President Obama, Clinton and Clinton’s successor would do well to develop an actual policy for the Middle East that consists of more than simply lurching from one crisis to another."


34 posted on 12/10/2012 3:36:50 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (I'm going John Galt.... But. Honor must be earned.)
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To: C210N
Assad claims he is being framed.

Assad To U.N. On Chemical Weapons: "We Are Being Framed"

Framed by the US Oligarchy ? When have they ever used that tactic ?

35 posted on 12/10/2012 3:41:04 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: PGR88

If the media really wants to turn Americans against Syria, all they have to do is report that Assad wants to take away our marijuana. Flash, bang, no more Damascus.


36 posted on 12/10/2012 3:50:36 PM PST by gotribe
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To: justa-hairyape

Why is it no one mentions the Russian base at the harbor on the Med? No way will they let a warm water port leave their grip.


37 posted on 12/10/2012 3:59:39 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Just Muslims being Muslim - “doin’ what comes naturally ...”.


38 posted on 12/10/2012 6:59:22 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Kurds ARE Sunnis....


39 posted on 12/10/2012 10:21:34 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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