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Governor signs Amendment 64, marijuana officially legal in Colorado
fox31 ^ | 12.10.2012 | fox31

Posted on 12/10/2012 1:33:01 PM PST by Morgana

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To: svcw
Prescription drugs.

They heal no one, and slowly kill all that use them.

Healing is through YHVH’s righteousness, and the herbs he gave us.

51 posted on 12/10/2012 3:31:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Those that wish to toke are already toking, and those that do not are not.

What it means to Organized Crime is something entirely different: They have suddenly lost a major source of income, and will be looking to replace it with something else.

100% correct. Prohibition doesn't work. Period. It didn't stop alcohol consumption and it isn't stopping pot use. Organized crime hates this move to decriminalize drugs, for the rest of us it is a good thing.

52 posted on 12/10/2012 3:34:21 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: editor-surveyor

Are you actually claiming God wants you to smoke pot...?


53 posted on 12/10/2012 3:36:31 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Morgana; All

The legalization of this ILLICIT DRUG is exactly why I despise LIBERTARIANS!

Alcohol is already a MAJOR problem. It could not be removed from the public during prohibition because it had been socially acceptable for centuries to millenia before prohibition attempted to lessen its use. Getting “on the wagon” just couldn’t be sold. It was too established.

However, Marijuanna is still, for the most part, not a mainstream thing....its use has not been intwined in the social fabric for centuries like alcohol.

It is a SERIOUS MISTAKE to legalize this stuff except for a legitimate medical purpose. I am convinced in helps those on chemo and somewhat on glaucoma....but for recreational use....NEVER should be allowed.

As another poster has mentioned here....this is going to create all kinds of “Under the Influence” problems that won’t be easily resolved.....IT JUST ISN’T worth the headache.

Colorado voters that approved this are idiots.


54 posted on 12/10/2012 3:50:10 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: bravo whiskey
i voted against it because i didn’t want it as an ammendment to the state constitution.

Same here. That will make it very difficult for the legislature to tweak it when we see what problems there are.

Given the egos involved in federal LE, I doubt we'll see ATF agents swooping in to bust people for an ounce, but this situation creates a lot of uncertainty.

55 posted on 12/10/2012 3:50:47 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


56 posted on 12/10/2012 3:52:50 PM PST by arbitrary.squid
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To: Wolfie

Thank you for that front page, Wolfie!


57 posted on 12/10/2012 3:55:57 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: Sola Veritas
its use has not been intwined in the social fabric for centuries like alcohol.

And you would be wrong.

58 posted on 12/10/2012 3:56:22 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: arbitrary.squid
Yeah, but He never said He expects you to smoke it.

Any more than He expects you to eat poisonous berries.

59 posted on 12/10/2012 3:56:31 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Sola Veritas

It’s up to the states. yes , smoking pot is not a great idea, but it’s up the each state unless we want a one-size-fits all Federal goobermint.

I guess we can expect a further polarized country since some on the left and right WANT an all-powerful NATIONALIZED government to fight over.

Either have federalism or just shred the Constitution and have federal courts make all laws for the states.

Not every thing that’s bad for you should be illegal under federal law.


60 posted on 12/10/2012 4:04:29 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I didn’t say God wants us to smoke anything.

Cannibis in any of its varieties does cure many cancers, whether it is consumed or smoked. The oil is all you need.

Capsicum also cures cancer, so I suppose we can do without the ‘pot’ but why?


61 posted on 12/10/2012 4:11:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

What berries are poisonous?


62 posted on 12/10/2012 4:14:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

But we don’t make plants illegal because they’re poisonous. In fact, you can go to the local garden center and buy many of them. Also plenty of plants that aren’t edible have had many useful medicinal properties.

I didn’t say anything about smoking it. There are many other ways to utilize the plant.

What’s the rationale for having it be illegal?


63 posted on 12/10/2012 4:15:54 PM PST by arbitrary.squid
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To: arbitrary.squid

>> “What’s the rationale for having it be illegal?” <<

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U.N. Agenda 21, which seeks to murder 2/3 of the world’s population. That cannot be done without blocking the use of hundreds of healing herbs that we use in our food.


64 posted on 12/10/2012 4:19:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Privet, Holly berries, Jerusalem Cherry, Daphne berries, Doll’s Eyes, the berries of the Yew tree and shrub, to name a few.


65 posted on 12/10/2012 4:25:25 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Bull crap.

I’ve seen birds eat all of the above with no ill effect. Most of them do not seem to even have any distinct flavor that would cause anyone to want them, but they probably are healing substances.


66 posted on 12/10/2012 4:28:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
I not completely sure how to respond to this...You do realize that birds and humans have rather different physiological makeups, right? Ivy berries for example, toxic to humans but not to birds because birds do not have the receptor on their white blood cells that responds to the urishiol in poison ivy, unlike humans.

Thats also why you don't feed chocolate to dogs.

67 posted on 12/10/2012 4:35:15 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: editor-surveyor
I'll also say that not all of the berries on the brief list I provided are equally toxic. You could certainly eat some of them in small quantities with relatively minor side-effects. I advise strongly against such a course of action however, and I take no legal responsibility if you go and ingest a pound of yew-berries and drop dead.
68 posted on 12/10/2012 4:38:19 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Its kind of hard to be clean-living when you're baked out of your mind on a brain-killing drug.

Like alcohol?

You need better arguments than that you don't like the people that you perceive are the users of marijuana.

69 posted on 12/10/2012 4:52:10 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“Cue the fanatical pro-marijauna element of this site in 3,2,1...”

Cue the idiot that thinks “3,2,1...” is still clever somehow.


70 posted on 12/10/2012 4:52:36 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Morgana

Ironic that liberals think making guns legal means murders everywhere while Republicans think making pot legal means potheads everywhere, as though their own kids aren’t smoking pot in high school and college already.


71 posted on 12/10/2012 4:53:54 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Sola Veritas
However, Marijuanna is still, for the most part, not a mainstream thing...

The above statement is laughable to anyone under 30 (I'm 42 myself. And once again I will point out because you pretty much have to, I've never even tried marijuana - ever.)

Which is why fighting a futile rear-guard battle against marijuana legalization is just going to cause the GOP to lose more elections and by a wider margin.

72 posted on 12/10/2012 4:55:13 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: fwdude
Well, I guess everyone has his own standards.

You SERIOUSLY would want all of your kids' teachers to be absolute teetotalers?

Given they are teaching kids I'd consider any teachers that DIDN'T drink at all dangerously insane.

73 posted on 12/10/2012 4:56:39 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: CodeToad

Don’t feel too bad, you are not alone. There are other people out there who just don’t understand numbers either.


74 posted on 12/10/2012 4:58:10 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Strategerist

See post #50.


75 posted on 12/10/2012 5:00:02 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Sola Veritas
I am convinced in helps those on chemo and somewhat on glaucoma....but for recreational use....NEVER should be allowed.

Your hysterics are almost enough to drive me to the side of the liberalterians and I can't stand most of them.

This should be a state matter; not a federal one as the powers not delegated to the feds are left to the states.

If Colorado wants to allow mj fine by me, that's will of the voters. Whether it be because they want to smoke it themselves, are tired of wasting tax dollars on enforcement, or are tired of seeing narco-terrorists amass huge amounts of wealth and power because of artificially high prices because of .fedgov involvement.......I don't care. It doesn't affect me. Start taxing pot and potato chips. If they voted this way solely for the ability to tell .fedgov to kiss their @55e55, hey GREAT FOR THEM.

Am I a liberaltarian? No. I'm a conservative - I believe abortion should be illegal because it is the killing of an innocent life and we all have the right to life. Do I believe in queer "marriage?" No because it's intent is to grant special rights to certain people and to undermine the nuclear family and religious institutions within the US.

However, if someone wants to get stoned, fine by me - your rights stops when they infringe on mine and mine stope when they infringe on you. If you want to waste away smoking pot and eating cheetos; go for it. All I ask is you don't make me subsidize it and if you break the law while under the influence, you pay the penalty the same as anyone else.

If you want to drink floor cleaner and shoot heroin - be my guest. I do think that employers should be allowed to discriminate against you, you should not be allowed to donate blood/organs etc.

If you hate it that much there's always NYC.....they've pretty much banned smoking 50ft from anywhere and possession of a 320z soda is a felony.

The fedgov should not be dictating what substances are legal and illegal. And if the people voted themselves the ability to smoke marijuana, hey good for them.

76 posted on 12/10/2012 5:03:46 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“There are other people out there who just don’t understand numbers either.”

Well, you certainly proved that you don’t. What a juvenile idiot you are.


77 posted on 12/10/2012 5:08:38 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: editor-surveyor
...mellow drama.

The correct word is 'melodrama', but given the subject at hand, that sorta fits.

78 posted on 12/10/2012 5:09:02 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Boy, this is a rich thread.

ALL prescription drugs don’t work at all - that’s your position?


79 posted on 12/10/2012 5:10:31 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: RandallFlagg
I can’t stand the smell of it, though. Never could.

I'm pushing 60 and haven't smoked the stuff since I was a teenager, but I always did love the smell of it. Still do, but I wouldn't touch it with your lips.

80 posted on 12/10/2012 5:12:50 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: CodeToad
Why so angry, little man? Burn one up, now that you can.

I'm sure you voted for it...Along with all the liberal hippy morons. If the left favors something, that should instantly raise a red flag. And to the left marijuana is a sacred cow, so why would you as a conservative join hands with them on it?

81 posted on 12/10/2012 5:15:12 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Another idiots responds to me in 3,2,1...


82 posted on 12/10/2012 5:18:05 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
I subscribe to the old-fashioned style of conservatism, of the type Ronald Reagan did...Think about your average American from, say, the '40s. Decent, clean-living. Marijauna is nothing more than a progressivist ploy, as they continue to encourage license yet restrict freedom.

Friend, people have been smoking and ingesting marijuana in all sorts of forms for thousands of years. Even some of our illustrious Framers smoked it.

I quit fogging my brain with that stuff forty years ago, but I'm not so naive as to believe that my personal preference makes me better than someone who still partakes.

I also don't drink on work days or evenings, but that's a personal choice to keep my head clear on those days. I don't fault anyone who has a few beers after work, and I couldn't care less if someone wants to smoke a joint in the privacy of their own home, either. If they show up on one of my jobs hungover from either one, they're fired.

83 posted on 12/10/2012 5:22:06 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: CodeToad

It was nice talking to you too.


84 posted on 12/10/2012 5:26:53 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Windflier
Friend, people have been smoking and ingesting marijuana in all sorts of forms for thousands of years. Even some of our illustrious Framers smoked it.

And if we're going by tradition, the effective criminalization of marijuana is actually more recent than Prohibition by a couple of decades.

85 posted on 12/10/2012 5:28:02 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: colorado tanker
One solution would be for the Feds to get out of the drug enforcement business and leave it up to the states, like 99% of criminal law and enforcement.

Personally, and in the spirit in which this nation was founded, I'd like to see marijuana totally de-criminalized across the country. That would put the drug cartels out of the marijuana business overnight.

That said, I don't mind keeping the laws on the books that make it a crime to distribute it for sale. I also don't want to see Uncle Sam set up a legal regime for the manufacture and sale of the product for tax purposes, like they did with alcohol.

Let folks grow the stuff for their own consumption and leave 'em be.

86 posted on 12/10/2012 5:28:55 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You good with federal law trumping state law?


87 posted on 12/10/2012 5:31:20 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“I advise strongly against such a course of action however, and I take no legal responsibility if you go and ingest a pound of yew-berries and drop dead. “

LOL. Wow. Thanks. Big relief.


88 posted on 12/10/2012 5:39:52 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Sola Veritas
Marijuanna is still, for the most part, not a mainstream thing....its use has not been intwined in the social fabric for centuries like alcohol.

You've got the internet at your fingertips. Use it to find out how inaccurate your above statement is. Marijuana has been in continual use by humans since before recorded history.

Here's just one of thousands of references: Ancient Egypt

One more: Use of Cannabis in The Ancient World

89 posted on 12/10/2012 5:40:59 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: APatientMan
You good with federal law trumping state law?

In some cases yes,in others,no.I support laws that are reasonable,responsible and necessary.Laws that,all things considered,serve the greater good.Of course many Federal laws are Barbara Streisand.But I live in a state whose laws are *usually* Barbara Streisand so I,better than some,understand that not all state legislatures are equally respectable.I have *very* strong opinions on *this* general subject that are the result of having seen drug related death and destruction that's hard to imagine.So in *this* case,no I don't."Greater good",that's the name of the game for me.

90 posted on 12/10/2012 5:45:49 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Longbow1969
Prohibition doesn't work. Period. It didn't stop alcohol consumption and it isn't stopping pot use.

Bam!

Get the government out of it. Like everything else they touch, their influence only brings pain, death, and misery to all involved.

Humans have been ingesting marijuana throughout history, and no government will ever stop it. Governments can, however, destroy the lives of individuals who partake of it, and provide the basis for the ongoing illegal drug trade to make billions of dollars annually.

91 posted on 12/10/2012 5:50:11 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Morgana
Was wondering how this would affect drug tests now.

Simple answer: if marijuana is as legal as alcohol, then the precedents established for alcohol tests kick in. For example, airline companies are perfectly within their rights to bench any pilot or co-pilot that's drank in the last 24 hours. Trucking companies are likely obligated to bench a driver that's had enough of a tipple to make the breathalyzer frown on them. I believe those rights extend to the right to fire for chronic reprobates. As a general rule, if alcohol testing is permitted then marijuana testing would be.

One interesting unknown (to me, anyway) is welfare recipients. Does a state or municipality have the right to test for drunkenness, or does it violate a welfare recipient's "rights?" If the former, then they can be tested for marijuana use.

92 posted on 12/10/2012 5:52:46 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: Gay State Conservative

“I have *very* strong opinions on *this* general subject that are the result of having seen drug related death and destruction that’s hard to imagine”

OK. I respect that. You expect to see any measurable increase in drug related death and destruction now that a state - not the feds - has taken control of the legality of smoking a plant?

I’ve seen this play out, too. We’ve got other things to worry about besides somebody smoking a joint.


93 posted on 12/10/2012 5:58:16 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Strategerist
...if we're going by tradition, the effective criminalization of marijuana is actually more recent than Prohibition by a couple of decades.

You're right. It's amazing how little some folks commenting here, know about the history of marijuana and US law. There wasn't a criminal industry based upon this simple plant until the mighty US government in all its wisdom decided to try prohibition yet again. It's like they learned nothing from their failures the first time around.

94 posted on 12/10/2012 6:01:54 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: CodeToad
Another idiots responds to me in 3,2,1...

I only clicked on this thread to see if anybody yet, said Rocky Mountain High.

Foist today! Cheers.

95 posted on 12/10/2012 6:11:14 PM PST by BlueDragon (and this is one of those places where they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar)
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To: CodeToad
Ironic that liberals think making guns legal means murders everywhere while Republicans think making pot legal means potheads everywhere, as though their own kids aren’t smoking pot in high school and college already.

Yes, it is. Of course, there's a different irony in the fact that all mind-altering substance were legal in 1900 - all of them, including heroin - and 1900 was like, well, 1900.

Widespread welfare does introduce a different dynamic, but that's a dynamic all its own. The Controlled Substances Act has not prevented the welfare culture from getting out of hand. Nor would Prohibition have, come to think of it. It's cold comfort to know that you've been flash-mobbed by fifty clean and sober ferals.

The way I see it, there are two arguments that the drug prohibitionists rely upon with regards to the welfare culture:

  1. Without the Controlled Substance Act, the welfare culture would be worse than it already is.
  2. Without the Controlled Substances Act, more middle-class people would fall into the welfare culture.
The first is dubious because the welfare culture already accommodates lawlessness. (Reminiscent of gun control!) As for the second - well, Colorado will show and tell.
96 posted on 12/10/2012 6:12:59 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: Windflier
Bam!

Get the government out of it. Like everything else they touch, their influence only brings pain, death, and misery to all involved.

Humans have been ingesting marijuana throughout history, and no government will ever stop it. Governments can, however, destroy the lives of individuals who partake of it, and provide the basis for the ongoing illegal drug trade to make billions of dollars annually.

Yep, excellent points.

97 posted on 12/10/2012 7:10:25 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Strategerist

They work, but in the negative. The “side” effects are more prominent than their marketewd purpose, and most of the side effects are quite life shortening.

More to the point, there isn’t even one drug for which there isn’t an effective and safe herbal or dietary therapy that should be the preferred approach.


98 posted on 12/10/2012 8:56:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

My body no longer responds to poison ivy/oak in any discernable way, after over four decades of stomping through it. Its been more than 20 years since it has affected me even minimally.


99 posted on 12/10/2012 9:03:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Windflier

You’re fast on the pickup!


100 posted on 12/10/2012 9:07:50 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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