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1 posted on 12/10/2012 7:09:34 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

You got to shoot at a federal fort to get the Union to pay attention to your articles of secession.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 7:12:37 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no such thing as a secession petition to the white house.

You have petitions in the states, delivering signatures to the State Secretary of State (at least in Texas)


3 posted on 12/10/2012 7:12:37 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why do we need a friggin petition in the first place?

Just do it and tell Zer0 to go to hell!


6 posted on 12/10/2012 7:16:04 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have always been taught that Texas, because it was a free republic when it willingly joined the union, could leave whenever it decided to do so.


8 posted on 12/10/2012 7:22:22 PM PST by terycarl
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To: SeekAndFind

We don’t have to answer to you.

We’re your government.

Now go pay your taxes - your government is broke.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 7:30:28 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

No it wasn’t, I’m sure I got on “another” watch list for signing it.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 7:39:35 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: SeekAndFind

Texas State Constitutional Convention File.


16 posted on 12/10/2012 7:42:02 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SeekAndFind

Reality check here folks. Do you seriously think the Federal government would ever allow this to happen. Sorry, but it’s time to wake up from this little dream.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 8:47:20 PM PST by Artcore
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve read elsewhere that there are over 750,000 signatures to the petition in all 50 States but that was about three weeks ago.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 8:54:23 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SeekAndFind

As it should be.

The secession hissy-fit is just that. Be an American. Be a Conservative. Let’s start a Conservative party but it requires not throwing a tantrum. Did all those people take their balls and go home as kids?


21 posted on 12/10/2012 8:54:44 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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Obama will not ignore these petitioners.

Obama is adding their names to his mailing list. Those who signed the petition will be asked to contribute to his presidential library fund.

24 posted on 12/10/2012 9:31:05 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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You mean to tell me the administration lied! Why, I never....


28 posted on 12/10/2012 11:10:54 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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Why ask permission? Have we accepted that obama is a dictator? Even the white house says it’s not their jurisdiction. So, what’s the next step? I’ll answer that. It would be to elect a governor who can remember a list with only three items on it.


30 posted on 12/11/2012 12:28:41 AM PST by Terry Mross (I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if something big happens.)
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Why ask permission? Have we accepted that obama is a dictator? Even the white house says it’s not their jurisdiction. So, what’s the next step? I’ll answer that. It would be to elect a governor who can remember a list with only three items on it.


31 posted on 12/11/2012 12:28:56 AM PST by Terry Mross (I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if something big happens.)
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Direct quote from a post yesterday:

“Holder, however, rejected this argument. “Essentially, the 10th Amendment is a dead letter,” Holder said. “As the Civil War demonstrated no power asserted by any state can stand against the might of the federal government.”

So let me paraphrase:

“Those pussies! Those wuss states! They actually believe their people and legislatures have anything REAL to do with government? What a bunch of tools....
They’ll do what we SAY, not what we do!!!”


33 posted on 12/11/2012 12:39:30 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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I make it a point to ignore the White House. The man who lives there is not my president.


36 posted on 12/11/2012 12:57:10 AM PST by windsorknot
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Start ignoring federal regulatory edicts and chase the EPA out of the state when they arrive under 10th Amendment rights...that’ll get their attention.


39 posted on 12/11/2012 4:12:13 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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IF this were to work...In theory, the Texas Legislature in 2013 would have to suspend regular business, or wait till the regular session ended, and the governor (Perry) would have to call a special session to address this issue of separation from the Union first and foremost...

To which the democrats (in this State) would not attend that debate...Which would be fine by me...

Let’s say this all goes down the way some wnat it too...

The state passes this legislation, or puts a referendum on a ballot for a special election to appease the citizens of this state, it passes and the governor signs it...

Our US delegation could then be recalled, ambassador to be assigned, etc etc etc...

Territorial waters and borders to be defined and certified...

Looking beyond the obvious need for a defensive force to be organized from the remnants of the Federal DoD forces who decide to stay in Texas before the United States demands it’s military hardware to be removed from within our borders...etc etc etc...

I would expect that our state investments, both private and government, assets will be confiscated as well...

We need to anticipate that the infrastructure, both industrial, and commercial businesses to decide whether or not to remain within our borders and either keep on chugging, or pull up stakes and get out because of US Federal pressures (i.e.: tax their arses for remaining in Texas)...

The economic impact on Texas, if it decides to go alone will be tremendous...But, I think the alternative is just as difficult...

We will see a massive (personal) migration, both in and out of our boundaries...But, I see a lot of heavy industry coming back to do business with our Republic in short order...But I would not put money on it just yet...

I do not see any kind of military threat to this state if it did go this way...It would not benefit anyone to proceed in that direction at this time...

So...

What needs to be well defined is this...

What are the specific political/economic/social ramifications, both positive and negative for such decisive political action by our state government???

Do we continue to utilize a weakened American economy (i.e.: US dollars) to be our form of currency???

Will the money (revenue/taxes) that we normally would send to D.C. (Feds) be enough to offset the immediate economic impact that a separation from the Union???

(Note: Texas is a revenue negative State, meaning that we send more taxes to D.C. than we get back in federal assistance for various programs...)

Also, the folks that decide to stay in the Republic of Texas, may be impacted more by this because of the need to establish infrastructure, that in some ways might be detrimental at first, because if we model our Republic after the United States model, we may very quickly discover that that model is a failed one at best, and be behind right from the gert go...So something else, or some type of graduated system and priorities might be necessary to keep from sinking too fast, too soon...Think about that...

I think there is a lot to be thought out first, and there is a lot more I would like to say, but it is sufficient to say that I, personally, am not opposed to the idea of separation...We are in some pickle to begin with...And we may very well need to actually build our own lifeboat first before we abandon ship...

But, I do not see the political courage in Austin in anyone we have elected to represent us in that Capitol introducing, much less do the prep work needed to really make this work...

So I do not expect, nor does the administration or any other government (elect) official even giving this petition any creedense or answer at all, anytime soon...

Why should they??? they have already turned this issue into a fluke, a joke and anyone associated with it as racist bigots and sour grape losers, of an election where they failed to unseat a very popular President (Santa Claus) that gives his supporters trinkets for their support...

All in all, this is a nation that HAS lost its virtue, both spriritual and human virtue, in that right is wrong, and wrong is right...

Does Texas, or any other state considering this endeavor deserve God’s mercy, grace and blessings to re-constitute under his guidance and laws??? Think about this one, because this is most important!!!

Again, I am not opposed to the idea, but we had better get our act together, before wasting our time with sending a “petition” to King George expressing our grievances, that will, and has fallen on deaf ears already...


42 posted on 12/11/2012 6:27:36 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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It is probably a GOOD thing that the petition was “Ignored”.

We would not want to wake up one morning and find out that the entire state of Texas had been nuked by Obama because his feewings were hurt.


43 posted on 12/11/2012 6:59:57 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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Q: Doesn’t the Texas Constitution reserve the right of Texas to secede? [BACK TO TOP]
A: This heavily popularized bit of Texas folklore finds no corroboration where it counts: No such provision is found in the current Texas Constitution[1] (adopted in 1876) or the terms of annexation.[2] However, it does state (in Article 1, Section 1) that “Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States...” (note that it does not state “...subject to the President of the United States...” or “...subject to the Congress of the United States...” or “...subject to the collective will of one or more of the other States...”)

http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm

READ MORE ABOUT TEXAS Secession...


45 posted on 12/11/2012 8:52:38 AM PST by PLD
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