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George Zimmerman Hearing 9:00 AM EST -- LIVE
UC | December 11, 2012 | UC

Posted on 12/11/2012 5:58:38 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Live streaming coverage should be at these links:

http://cfnews13.com/

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/

http://www.wesh.com/

Agenda for the hearing:

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/1212/notice_of_hearing_121112.pdf


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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1 posted on 12/11/2012 5:58:47 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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Live Links here:

http://cfnews13.com/

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/

http://www.wesh.com/


2 posted on 12/11/2012 6:03:09 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

looks like it already started...at your link at http://www.myfoxorlando.com/category/239949/additonal-live-stream


3 posted on 12/11/2012 6:04:19 AM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: blueyon

Has the issue of the interview of the alleged girl friend DD and the recorded conversation with the attorney for the “family” come up yet? I read that someone only provided an edited copy to the prosecution.


4 posted on 12/11/2012 6:09:50 AM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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To: Uncle Chip

TRU Tv( old Court TV Channel) is carrying it live.
Freegards
LEX


5 posted on 12/11/2012 6:16:06 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: John Galt's cousin

right now they are going over motion request and discoveries


6 posted on 12/11/2012 6:16:15 AM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Uncle Chip

Let’s just drop the charges and let the riots begin.


7 posted on 12/11/2012 6:21:42 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: blueyon

Watching for your updates. Thank you.


8 posted on 12/11/2012 6:26:46 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Best to have the riots when it is cold and raining. Dampens enthusiasm


9 posted on 12/11/2012 6:28:11 AM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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To: John Galt's cousin
Yes, that issue has come up. Crump turned his recorder over to FDLE, the state has a copy of ALL the contents, and has been ordered to deliver the DeeDee recording to defense by Friday, noon.

As far as other recordings, like by Gutman of ABC, the judge says it's up to the defense to depose those people and obtain the evidence - if they don't comply, the Court will assist with orders.

We still don't know who was in the room with DeeDee.

10 posted on 12/11/2012 6:31:13 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: MestaMachine
The judge is being somewhat obtuse. She doesn't get it. She is trying to avoid ruling on any of the motions.

West asked for two Crump depositions -- the first to get the recording and the second to follow up and she refused to grant that for now.

11 posted on 12/11/2012 6:34:05 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
CBS Local

Trayvon Martin murder suspect wants GPS monitor removed Reuters - ‎1 hour ago‎

By Barbara Liston.

SANFORD, Florida | Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:05am EST. SANFORD,

Florida (Reuters) - Accused murderer George Zimmerman will ask a Florida judge on Tuesday to let him remove his GPS monitoring device and travel freely within the state ...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/11/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE8BA0IS20121211

12 posted on 12/11/2012 6:39:07 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Cboldt

Thanks

I hope the defense is not being tricked into a wild goose chase


13 posted on 12/11/2012 6:39:07 AM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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To: JoeProBono

Accused MURDERER??? Could they get any more blatant?


14 posted on 12/11/2012 6:42:23 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Cboldt

I missed the early part of the hearing. Has the prosecution been asked to clarify Witness 8’s age yet???


15 posted on 12/11/2012 6:44:29 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MestaMachine

16 posted on 12/11/2012 6:46:16 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Uncle Chip

Exactly what about the word ‘JUSTICE’ don’t judges understand? Logic? Common sense? Where is it?


17 posted on 12/11/2012 6:52:45 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Uncle Chip
-- Has the prosecution been asked to clarify Witness 8's age yet? --

No. And from my recollection of a quick review of the motions and replies, I don't think that question is at issue for this hearing. DeeDee is not a minor, and wasn't a minor on February 25th.

18 posted on 12/11/2012 6:57:36 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Uncle Chip
-- The judge is being somewhat obtuse. She doesn't get it. She is trying to avoid ruling on any of the motions. --

I think she's darned good. She rules when she has to, and she explains why and what she is deferring.

As for taking Crump deposition twice, she said she'd entertain a motion for that, when it comes up, not before.

19 posted on 12/11/2012 7:00:26 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
wasn't a minor on February 25th.

shouldn't that be March 19th.

20 posted on 12/11/2012 7:15:58 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
This whole thing is not about guilt or innocence, we have the opinions of several of America's foremost legal experts that the prosecution has no case at all. It's not even about the 2'nd amendment or gun rights.

This is about:

It's also about the basic idea of equality in our society and the question of whether or not we now have special/protected groups of people who are legally untouchable to the extent that the rest of us can't even defend ourselves when one of them goes crazy on drugs and tries to kill us.
21 posted on 12/11/2012 7:18:12 AM PST by varmintman
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To: Uncle Chip
March 19 for sure, since she was not a minor when Crump interviewed her.

I suspect she was 18 on February 25th, too.

22 posted on 12/11/2012 7:28:36 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt; MestaMachine

Did I just hear the Judge deny the Motion for modification of release???

Unbelievable


23 posted on 12/11/2012 7:30:25 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Motion to be able to leave the county and not have GPS monitor denied.


24 posted on 12/11/2012 7:30:40 AM PST by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: varmintman
This case is all about the power of the state. Whether or not it has evidence to support a case is irrelevant, is the point.

If you defend yourself with deadly force, in Florida, you risk being hauled through all the legal process that is at the prosecutor's disposal.

25 posted on 12/11/2012 7:30:53 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

There wa just an important clarification of a previous order by a previous judge....read aloud...It says Zimmerman’s attorney can have no contact with any family members of Tray Martin. But it apparently says nothing about contact with witnesses.


26 posted on 12/11/2012 7:32:37 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Uncle Chip
Courts are fundamentally extensions of the prosecutor's office. This judge, and I do think she's good, is just handling the issue in front of her, and is making no effort to educate herself about the history or the evidence.

That changes when she is hears a case for dismissal, and not before.

27 posted on 12/11/2012 7:33:17 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: John Galt's cousin

The election is over so no need for rioting now.


28 posted on 12/11/2012 7:33:17 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Uncle Chip

Yes, unfortunately for GZ, motions denied.

When this is all done, I hope the meter has been running on liability for all of the players in this travesty.


29 posted on 12/11/2012 7:33:35 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: A. Patriot
I don't think they really care about the GPS monitor. He'd be followed regardless.

It was the other issue that he wanted clarified...about contact with witnesses.

This attorney is a regular skinny Perry Mason.

30 posted on 12/11/2012 7:35:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Cboldt
She is definitely doing a good job trying to ignore the evidence in this case thus far.

Did she have her eyes closed when O'Mara showed her the picture of GZ's head injuries???

31 posted on 12/11/2012 7:42:02 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: All

folks remember most judges come from the prosecutor’s office. More than a few criminal judges are refered to as the “backup prosecutors”.

She is just trying to keep herself from being reversed on appeal. She is just “trying not to be seen”. since she keeps her job via election.

BTW, for all intents and purposes judges are lifetime appointments/elections since no lawyer in their carreer mind goes up against a sitting judge, or even has a chance of winning.


32 posted on 12/11/2012 7:55:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Uncle Chip; All

No Seminole County jury will convict George Zimmerman with Bernie de la Ronda as a prosecutor. He is an idiot

BDLR just telegraphed the whole prosecution case to GZ defense....the prosecution has no case

This judge will be overturned if she denies Immunity on a Stand Your Ground hearing. I would think she would not want to embarass herself getting slapped down on appeal.

I am glad to see that O’Mara is much more lively..and giving a very good interview post-hearing


33 posted on 12/11/2012 7:57:13 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Uncle Chip

Justice delayed is justice denied.

The long arm of the Department of Justice is at work here.


34 posted on 12/11/2012 8:10:51 AM PST by RetSignman ("A Republic if you can keep it"....)
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To: SeminoleCounty

One thing that is clear from this case is that the only people who can lie in court and get away with it are attorneys — particularly as in this case prosecuting attorneys.


35 posted on 12/11/2012 8:18:06 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MestaMachine
It's called "Scapegoating",

"Justice" is what the lawyers in black robes administer to convicted criminals

36 posted on 12/11/2012 8:40:56 AM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: All

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/12/11/defense_to_present_m.html

Minute-by-minute updates from the courtroom

10:55 a.m.

O’Mara says he wont question judge’s decision but he thinks George Zimmerman deserves freedom.

10:53 a.m.

“I’m frustrated he lives in hiding and is absolutely broke.”- Defense attorney O’Mara.

10:46 a.m.

Robert Zimmerman speaking to media says he talks about family with his brother, not the case.

10:27 a.m.

Judge looking at future hearing dates. Jan. 8 & Feb. 5 to sort through future possible motions. Trial set to start in June. Hearing over.

10:21 a.m.

Judge denies motion. George Zimmerman will keep GPS and stay in Seminole County.

10:20 a.m.

O’Mara says George Zimmerman lost job, kicked out of school and his wife told she couldn’t come back to nursing school.

10:16 a.m.

Defense O’Mara holds up picture of George Zimmerman with a bloody nose. Says he is the victim.

10:14 a.m.

Defense: “There are threats out there and if you want them we can present them.”

10:11 a.m.

State argues, “Isn’t the defendant safer if law enforcement knows where he is?

10:07 a.m.

State: “Does he want to go to Miami and sign autographs... Why are we re-hashing this?”

10:06 a.m.

State says if George Zimmerman is worried about his safety, why did he do an interview on National TV?

10:05 a.m.

State says you can’t have it both ways - publicity and secrecy. “Does he want to sign autographs?”- Prosecutor

10:03 a.m.

State wants George Zimmerman restricted to Seminole County not “wandering where he wants.”

10:01 a.m.

State says court cannot forget George Zimmerman lied to the previous judge and had a second passport in a safety deposit box.

9:58 a.m.

George Zimmerman attorney says it’s necessary to have George out of Seminole County to meet with experts and build case.

9:57 a.m.

George Zimmerman attorney says he’s shown he deserves to be free and he is still in hiding because this is a high profile case.

9:56 a.m.

Probation officer says, “George Zimmerman has been in total compliance.”

9:55 a.m.

Probation officer testifying now. Will George Zimmerman be allowed out of the county? No GPS? “No complaints, no problems.”

9:54 a.m.

Now onto modifications of George Zimmerman release. Defense wants no GPS.

9:53 a.m.

State says “they’ll take the high road” and give defense list.

9:52 a.m.

State says it isn’t required to disclose witnesses who ID’d voice in 911 calls. Judge agrees.

9:51 a.m.

Judge back. Attorneys say they have not worked issue out on their own.

9:47 a.m.

Recess ends.

9:45 a.m.

George Zimmerman sitting in courtroom while attorneys talk. He has been looking down. Recess continues.

9:26 a.m.

10 minute recess so defense and state can talk motion over. Judge says hopefully they can work this out between themselves.

9:23 a.m.

Defense says George Zimmerman said, “that doesn’t even sound like me” never claimed it “wasn’t his voice.”

9:21 a.m.

State says George Zimmerman didn’t recognize his own voice on tape.

9:16 a.m.

George Zimmerman attorney wants to know who has heard the 911 calls and wants to know the people who say it’s George Zimmerman heard yelling.

9:12 a.m.

Now onto motion about voice id tests on 911 call “cries for help.”

9:10 a.m.

Judge denies request to force evidence release because defense hasn’t tried to get it on their own.

9:08 a.m.

Discovery FDLE & FBI: defense says there is evidence they haven’t received. They want judge to demand “every drawer needs to be opened.”

9:06 a.m.

Trayvon Martin attorney recorded his phone interview with girlfriend about night Trayvon Martin died. She claims to have been on phone with him.

9:03 a.m.

Trayvon Martin family not in court. This may be one of the first or the very first time they haven’t been there.

9:01 a.m.

Judge Nelson flies through these motions. State must get recording to defense by Friday. Actual device is at FDLE if defense wants to see it.

8:59 a.m.

Defense wants to take another deposition. This involves a Sanford investigator. Judge says OK but stick to what is in the motion.

8:57 a.m.

The judge in the case has walked into the courtroom. All attorneys are there.

8:48 a.m.

Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, arrives at the Seminole County Courthouse.

8:42 a.m.

Zimmerman’s brother, Robert, is in the courtroom. He has been very vocal about George’s innocence and trying to clear his family’s name.

8:30 a.m.

George Zimmerman has arrived at the Seminole County Courthouse. Hearing starts at 9 a.m.


37 posted on 12/11/2012 8:55:48 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Thanks! Great reporting job!


38 posted on 12/11/2012 9:32:31 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Sacajaweau

I think he would be safer if he could go into hiding out of state.


39 posted on 12/11/2012 9:34:59 AM PST by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Zimmerman's best hope,regarding the *state* charges,is that a judge who isn't worried about reelection (perhaps nearing retirement) dismisses all the charges...with prejudice.His second best hope is a couple of hung juries and,after the second one,the presiding judge declaring that the state won't be allowed to try him again.

But even in these best case scenarios,he'll still have to worry about Attorney Corporal Holder.

40 posted on 12/11/2012 9:44:36 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Well the one major thing that the defense got out of the judge, that incidentally is being obfuscated by the media reporting, is the Crump recording in their hands by noon Friday.

They won't have to depend on Crump to bring some of it, part of it, what he can find of it to the deposition -- but will have it in their hands well before the Crump deposition.

The recording device is also now out of Crump's hands and down at the FDLE where the defense can visit it.

Just one more piece of evidence that Crump cannot continue to "mannipple-ate".

41 posted on 12/11/2012 9:49:30 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: varmintman

Well stated.


42 posted on 12/11/2012 9:53:57 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Gay State Conservative

Actually it needs to end at the immunity hearing before the judge. That immunizes him from criminal and civil action. If it goes to the jury, then even if he is found not guilty, he can still be sued civilly.


43 posted on 12/11/2012 9:56:04 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MestaMachine

I’m not sure anyone can get a “fair” trial in FL; Zimmermann must be terrified at the injustice he is facing from the American people.


44 posted on 12/11/2012 10:00:06 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Uncle Chip
I've continued to watch TruTV's coverage after the hearing ended. They have just finished talking with a Martin family attorney (not Crump but from his firm) via telephone. If this man is representing the current state of jurisprudence in this Country, no wonder we've slid into the abyss. He's basically - as a JD - justifying the tainting of witness 8 by saying there was no "case" when they interviewed her and that as such, they had no obligation to contact law enforcement to do a proper interview despite knowing that if a case were brought, she would be the State's only witness due to being on the phone with Martin during the confrontation.

If this is acceptable behavior and this firm is not slapped by the bar for this, our banana Republic has kangaroo courts.

45 posted on 12/11/2012 10:00:36 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: liberalh8ter

That’s Crump’s law partner Daryl Parks and he is saying the same thing that Crump did here at the 8:00 mark:

http://youtu.be/4OrlhpMXUHM

Apparently the recording and recording device that they just had to turn over to the FDLE is going to incriminate them in manufacturing evidence in order to make Zimmerman appear guilty in order to get an arrest. They are trying to get out ahead of it by justifying it without admitting to it — yet.

I keep waiting for some semi intelligent talking torso to step forward and ask one of them how old the DeeDee on that recording of theirs is — 16 or 18.


46 posted on 12/11/2012 10:36:16 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
This is outrageous behavior by a supposed law firm and the Bar needs to fully investigate this.
47 posted on 12/11/2012 11:02:02 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: liberalh8ter

The fact that they feel so comfortable admitting it tells you about the state of the Bar in Florida which will do nothing.

However the Bar of Pennsylvania to which the Beasley Law Firm belongs is a different matter.


48 posted on 12/11/2012 11:09:49 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Apparently the recording and recording device that they just had to turn over to the FDLE is going to incriminate them in manufacturing evidence in order to make Zimmerman appear guilty in order to get an arrest. They are trying to get out ahead of it by justifying it without admitting to it — yet.

That material has been in Crump's possession far too long.

I expect that there was plenty of tampering with the recording, and it will have lesser value to the defense than thought by many. Crump may even be smarter than Nixon, and the tampering may not be obvious or even found...

49 posted on 12/11/2012 11:49:59 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Uncle Chip

Media... obfuscating??? Inconceivable :-)


50 posted on 12/11/2012 2:16:41 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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