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Glenn Beck Defends Gay Marriage: Republicans Need To 'Expand Our Own Horizon'
Business Insider ^ | 12/11/2012 | Grace Wyler

Posted on 12/11/2012 9:48:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Dead Corpse
For those of you who are slow of thought, that is what Glenn was say. Nothing more. Nothing less...

Very well said. Somehow or other, I'm not shocked by the FReetards on this board that dont see the irony of their whining about liberal tyrannical tendencies and completely ignore their own. As Glenn says, Republicans ARE the Whig party.

51 posted on 12/11/2012 10:23:28 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: SeekAndFind

I think this cements his status as a “false prophet.” Anyone disagree?


52 posted on 12/11/2012 10:23:42 AM PST by ducttape45
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To: SeekAndFind; little jeremiah; LucyT; azishot

What’s next?

Is there an end to the communist manifesto implementation and infiltration of every walk of life? Do people who call themselves “ Consevatives” need to be loved by the media, perverts and most of all communists?

I guess so if you want to make more millions, not be called a kook, but be mentioned as a “reasonable conservative” who saw the light at the end of a tunnel where the sun doesn’t shine.

Pounding Conservatives to pulp has become a national sport by their own so called “Conservatives!”


53 posted on 12/11/2012 10:23:57 AM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Beck is looking for some kind of judo trick to resolve this problem, looking for a way to thread the needle. He isn’t alone in this, I think a lot of political people are since there are other things they’d rather fight about; they’d prefer to shift the battle to a field of their choosing.

But sometimes that simply isn’t possible. You have to simply draw the line and refuse to cross it. You have to fight the enemy where he has chosen to fight you.


54 posted on 12/11/2012 10:24:13 AM PST by marron
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To: kabumpo

Well, there’s a difference between real libertarians (who would understand and reject the statism that is implied in same-sex marriage laws under the status quo) and fake libertarians (who are really just 60s radicals pushing to destroy Western Civilization by attacking its traditions and institutions).


55 posted on 12/11/2012 10:24:24 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: SeekAndFind

Conservative and Orthodox religions *should* be at the forefront to “take marriage back” from government.

The way to do this is to first to agree among themselves what standards should exist, that all agree are the basic requirements for marriage. Then those that permit divorce agree among themselves what basic standards exist for divorce.

This is the baseline for all. Each religion may “add to” these requirements, but they cannot “delete from them.”

Then the hard part: all must agree to *only* recognize marriages and divorces that conform to these standards. That is, in their religion, *only* those people who have been married and/or divorced under these rules will be considered married.

That is, “You may call yourself ‘Mr.’ and ‘Mrs.’, and say you are married, but as far as all of these religions are concerned, you are *not* married, but instead are ‘living in sin’.”

Importantly, along with their religion, this permits people who belong to that religion to discriminate against people who are “not married but say they are”. That is, nobody has to accept that “government marriage” is equal to “religious marriage” anymore.


56 posted on 12/11/2012 10:24:55 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember Glenn Beck is a MORMON and the thing that kept Deseret(Utah) out of the United States until the late 1800s was that “Church’s” Perversion and attepted re-definition of the G*D’s Institution of Marriage(Poligamy). Until the MORMONS renounced this perversion THEN the United States Congress voted and accetpted them into the Union.


57 posted on 12/11/2012 10:26:02 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: SeekAndFind

So why confine marriage to just two consenting adults?


58 posted on 12/11/2012 10:26:40 AM PST by kabar
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To: Mrs. Don-o
He doesn't get it. If he wants the govt. to get completely out of regulating marriage, he'd have to change 10,000 laws and regs in 50 states and eliminate all marriage-based benefits, including those related to taxation, property, insurance, survivors' rights of all kinds, liability for debts, custody of/responsibility to children, etc.

And of course you get it that you want a gigantic govt with fingers in everything just like liberals do, you just disagree with them as to the type of gigantic opressive govt?

59 posted on 12/11/2012 10:27:42 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: SeekAndFind

No Beck, we don’t need to “expand our horizons” in the direction of liberalism.

The horizons that established this most successful land are the Bible, Freedom, the Gun, and the Constitution. “Expanding” past those solid principles is saying we have to be something different.

Glen, if you want to expand your whatever, you go ahead, but count me out.


60 posted on 12/11/2012 10:30:07 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: circlecity

What reality?

If religion defines marriage then there is no definition, because there is no defined religion.


61 posted on 12/11/2012 10:30:44 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: stuartcr

Excellent. As long as you know, the difference between you and a liberal is only in what kind of gigantic govt.


62 posted on 12/11/2012 10:30:44 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: olezip
The Constitution gives all and each and every one of us the same rights.

Really? The natural rights of life and liberty are UNALIENABLE.

"Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred."

You can not surrender, sell or transfer unalienable rights, they are a gift from the CREATOR to the individual and can not under any circumstances be surrendered or taken. All individual's have unalienable rights.

63 posted on 12/11/2012 10:31:18 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Absolutely Nobama; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; ...
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64 posted on 12/11/2012 10:32:49 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: olezip
Yes. As discussed in Whither American Conservatism?, "same sex marriage" is an oxymoron. The whole function of actual marriage is to sanctify family formation in connection with procreation; the breeding of the next generation. It has no relationship, whatsoever, to simply sanctifying substitutes for the multi-generational pursuits of a people.

Beck is very confused in this. Just as he was very confused in his effective endorsement of Martin Luther King, a couple of years ago. King stood for the exact opposite of the socio/economic values that Beck ordinarily supports.

William Flax

65 posted on 12/11/2012 10:32:54 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: ansel12
"If religion defines marriage then there is no definition, because there is no defined religion"

God defines all non-empirical reality - apart from God there is no such thing. And God has defined marriage as the union between a man and a woman. That is an unalterable fact, regardless of what some "religion" may say.

66 posted on 12/11/2012 10:33:09 AM PST by circlecity
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To: MachIV

Good for them.


67 posted on 12/11/2012 10:34:37 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: SwankyC

Excerpt:

Open letter to conservatives who back same-sex marriage
Exclusive: David Kupelian on unintended consequences of pretending homosexuality is normal
09/06/2010

If America’s unique magic was combining, as Tocqueville said, “the notions of Christianity and of liberty” to produce the greatest nation in history, today’s libertarian-conservatives seem to have lost sight of half of that winning combination – the God part – vainly imagining that freedom alone is the answer.

Yet the libertarian utopia – live any way you want, even if it includes being a drug addict, having abortions, frequenting prostitutes (all of which libertarians want legalized), so long as it “doesn’t hurt other people,” and yet somehow we can still manage to be citizen-sovereigns ruling over a small, responsible government – is every bit as fatuous and illusory as the utopia that socialists forever dream of. Neither has ever existed, nor ever will. For as we all know deep down, there is no lasting freedom without adherence to, as Jefferson put it, “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.” Or as William Penn warned, “If man is not governed by God, he will be ruled by tyrants.” Thus, in today’s grand morphing of Reagan conservatism into libertarianism, we simply kid ourselves into thinking an immoral society can be free.
http://www.wnd.com/2010/09/199197/


68 posted on 12/11/2012 10:36:41 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: wagglebee; melancholy

Beck not only jumped the shark, he rode it, then got devourced. Seems a lot of Mormons are fine with perversion.


69 posted on 12/11/2012 10:37:07 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
PATRIOTS BEWARE:

Like Harry Reid, mormons will choose church over country every time. That includes when they are told to turn in their weapons, and to spy on those who don't.

70 posted on 12/11/2012 10:37:17 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: SeekAndFind
The gaying of the Republican party continues apace. Yesterday George Will, today Glenn Beck. Who will take the purple plunge tomorrow?

Newsflash: the base isn't going to follow you to Sodom. Wise up or be washed up.

71 posted on 12/11/2012 10:37:27 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: SeekAndFind
They can do whatever they want to do....just don't call it "marriage". There are some grey areas that the Bible really doesn't address. Homosexuality is specifically addressed, and is just short of the 10 Commandments in the level of condemnation. If they are to "marry", polygamy should be recognized as it, in fact, has a Biblical history.

And the great thing for lawyers with regard to "gay marriage" will be the number of job opportunities in "gay divorce"!

72 posted on 12/11/2012 10:37:47 AM PST by MHT
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To: SeekAndFind

Beck portrays himself as being a God fearing Christian. He espouses the need for all to return to Judeo-Christian principles as prescribed in the Bible. His support for gay marriage clearly exposes him as a Christian fraud. Calling Rick Warren!


73 posted on 12/11/2012 10:37:53 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Dead Corpse
Get government out of the marriage business and you can tell the sodomites and liberals to go piss up a rope.

How do you do that? Our laws governing pensions, survivor benefits, etc. depend on a definition of marriage and recording it. 20% of the population are atheists.

We have religions like Islam that permit up to four wives. How should they be treated?

The government has been involved with marriage since the inception of the Republic. We have laws against incest, polygamy, marrying children, etc. Should those laws be eliminated and leave it up to individuals to decide?

74 posted on 12/11/2012 10:38:01 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

Bye bye America. Liberal fools are working overtime to stick a finger in the eye of God.


75 posted on 12/11/2012 10:38:09 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: SeekAndFind

OK, let’s really expand our horizons. Let’s say anything goes and just once and for all do away with all those messy, moral strictures that have encumbered us for the past few millenia. Welcome everybody in no matter what they do, or who they do it to. Then we’ll have the super-duper ultimate big tent to end all big tents.


76 posted on 12/11/2012 10:38:54 AM PST by bereanway
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve never understood the appeal of all this gay crap. I watched a slideshow of same-sex “marriages” in Washington after it became legal, and it was all I could do to refrain from throwing up.


77 posted on 12/11/2012 10:39:44 AM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Until the MORMONS renounced this perversion THEN the United States Congress voted and accetpted them into the Union.

I need to correct you on an important point.

This also applies to the 1978 change accepting blacks.

Mormons and the media give the impression that these were policy changes, or administrative, or management changes, but they weren't.

Remember that it was GOD WHO CHANGED HIS POLICY regarding polygamy and blacks, and then instructed the Prophet.

Mitt Romney's Holy Prophet for instance, in 1978 was told that he (GOD) had changed his mind on blacks.

At some point, Beck and Romney will be the GOD of their own planet, and they will be making these decisions for that planet's holy prophet.

78 posted on 12/11/2012 10:40:40 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: lurk
The LDS church will permit gay marriage within 20 years

One of their bishops already, personally, married same sex couples years ago. They already permit and condone what is an abomination to God. That is what cults do.

79 posted on 12/11/2012 10:41:34 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: chris37
I refuse to allow the government further control over my life. I refuse to allow the perverts in government to control my Faith. When I start my business, I will not recognize "same sex marriages" or other politically correct nonsense.

If enough people did this, it wouldn't matter what the Gay's out in San Fransisco did.

Nope. That Brass Ring of Government Power is out there. They just gotta make a grab for it rather than just LIVE YOUR PRINCIPLES.

80 posted on 12/11/2012 10:42:24 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d sensed several times before that Beck was pretty close to embracing fag marriage, when the topic arose. So it doesn’t entirely surprise me that he’s come out in favor of this degeneracy.

I’ve long been on the fence about Beck, who has always been a weird mix of positives and negatives. But this is enough for me to pretty much drop him for keeps. He can just go to Hell.


81 posted on 12/11/2012 10:42:48 AM PST by greene66
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To: circlecity

In America, Islam and Mormonism counts as much as your religion, so if there is no legal definition of marriage, and everyone just decides for themselves, then the left wins.


82 posted on 12/11/2012 10:43:52 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why stop there, Glenn?

Why not support two men and a women?

Five women together?

3 Men and 3 women all married to each other?

A 30 year old and a 10 year old?

Two babies?

A man married to two different women in different parts of the country at the same time?

What would be the legal or moral opposition to those?

Because they are too “weird” but two guys or two girls being married is “normal”?


83 posted on 12/11/2012 10:44:26 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Army Air Corps
Just wait until the "ANYTHING GOES!" crown throws bestiality into the mix.

When that happens, watch the fur fly between PETA and the deviants.

Throwing off restraints is like those coin funnels used for fundraising.

It all starts slow, but before you know it things are spinning out of control. I've read that these "hyperbolic" funnels mimic a Black Hole.


84 posted on 12/11/2012 10:44:49 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: SeekAndFind

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,


85 posted on 12/11/2012 10:45:41 AM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: SeekAndFind
Et tu, Beck?

I would have thought that Glenn can see that the ongoing battle is NOT about letting gays do whatever they wish (that's legal,) but the insistence on calling it "marriage."

The gays, and their supporters, including legislators can call it "Nirvana," and imbue it with all the legal benefits of marriage, without the need to mock hundreds of years of tradition and legally insisting that is IS marriage.

Call me anything you wish, but I will never accept marriage as anything other than the union of one man and one woman ------ period.

86 posted on 12/11/2012 10:46:34 AM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: SwankyC
But then that's totally lost on all you "conservatives" isn't it.

What would YOU know about conservatives? Don't talk about what you don't know. Get back under your big tent where all the losers are! Watch out who you back into - they are a friendly all inclusive bunch.

87 posted on 12/11/2012 10:47:13 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: kabar
Those are all State laws. You do know how this whole Federal Republic thing works right?

1st Amendment is Federal. It has a clause limiting it's scope to the FedGov under "Congress shall make no law"...

DOMA opened up a Federal can of worms and these are the fish you are catching.

88 posted on 12/11/2012 10:47:37 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: marron
You make distinctions that are valid. However, it is not necessary for us to focus on the evils of homosexual behavior, politically. That should be up to the individual. Beck could make a common cause with homosexual advocates on all other issues, and not compromise his Conservative principles by endorsing an oxymoron that has the practical effect of confusing the moral purpose of marriage. But in confusing the moral purpose of marriage, here, he creates a very unfortunate, very counter-productive ripple effect, that can only undermine the moral basis of a great many of America's traditional moral values.

Examples are many. Property rights, for one. If society can make a mockery of family formation, why not make a mockery of property rights to appease the Marxists. Property rights & marriage (family formation) have been virtually inextricably connected, virtually throughout Western History. Magna Carta, in recognizing immediate property rights, recognized the inheritability of those rights--that has to do with family, slice it as you will.

There is room for a big tent; there is no room for humoring every wacko idea, in order to try to do the impossible--i.e., make sure every dissident in that "big tent" is happy. Nothing is more clearly self-defeating; self-destructive.

William Flax

89 posted on 12/11/2012 10:47:40 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: olezip

Absolutely! “Marriage” is the union of a man and woman....a male human and female human...in body and soul. Those two elements must be present. Whether the union produces offspring or not is irrelevant.

Bodily contact between two of the same sex for mutual gratification is not mating.


90 posted on 12/11/2012 10:47:56 AM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I recall Rush once pulling a big “liberals are right, I’ve changed my mind” stunt long ago. It was a stunt. I hope this is too.


91 posted on 12/11/2012 10:48:07 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: SwankyC
As has been stated, Gays are about 2% of the population. Absent stupid laws against it, I would never hire one nor knowingly associate with them. Nor would I invite them into my Faith unless I thought there was a good chance at converting them.

I don't have that option any more because someone thought giving government that level of power was a good idea. "Let's punish the sodomites! We'll ALWAYS be in control!"

Yeah... Not so much.

92 posted on 12/11/2012 10:51:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SwankyC

“And the great issue now of homosexuality in your country, that shall be on the balance that Michael holds. Unless this balance is evened by removing this evil from your country and bringing in just laws to prevent the spread of homosexuality, you cannot be saved; your country cannot be saved. Because I repeat again, as I have repeated in the past: When a country has given itself over to immorality and all pleasures of the flesh, and abominations of the flesh, then that country will fall! If you do not believe Me, My children, I say: You will read your history books, and you will find out that there was a Sodom and Gomorrha. And what did We do to that abominable city, Sodom? We destroyed it! And what did We do to Gomorrha? We destroyed it! And We destroyed all who did not follow the plan for their redemption.” - Jesus, November 1, 1985


93 posted on 12/11/2012 10:52:09 AM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: All
I tend to be a libertarian myself, I think we are having too much of an emotional, knee-jerk reaction here. I see his position as more neutral, the Feds should not be involved in marriage at all, pro or con, they are there to do what is Constitutional. I do believe the answer our Founding Fathers would give is, leave it to the States if there is to be government involvement at all. The States reflect the temperment of the people who live there, you might have more "gay friendly States," other more "religiously friendly" and so on. I think we have much, much bigger problems than this like the economy, an unAmerican president, jobs, some mullah sending over an ICBM ruining our day and so on.

That said I do say the gay lobby goes a bit far at times and they shoot themselves in the leg. They need to learn to keep it in their homes like we all do, if they did that as we all should, there would not be much rancor.

Government should be out of marriage with the exception of determine who is responsible for who like for inheritance and medical consent. Let it up to the ministers and churches. Then they would have the power to tell them to either "go fly a kite" or marry them as their conscience seems fit. I know I get a lot of trouble taking my neutral position here but we have bigger fish to fry.
94 posted on 12/11/2012 10:52:55 AM PST by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: Dead Corpse

How do you get government out of marriage, unless there is no such thing as marriage?


95 posted on 12/11/2012 10:54:38 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Nowhere Man

Well said...


96 posted on 12/11/2012 10:55:13 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SeekAndFind

From out of the closet into your classrooms. So much for “consenting ADULTS in PRIVATE”.

The culture is f***ed. These are the same perverts who push the Sex Positive Agenda (the homosexual agenda merely being the battering ram to society’s norms). Condoms in schools was not about ending teen pregnancy or disease (certainly didn’t work). It was about forever ending the argument over whether teen SHOULD be engaging and sex and shifting to WHEN.

Bang away on the foundation institutions of this country, Glenn.

And keep selling packrat supplies. You have little credibility this country with your morning drive time comedy schtick.


97 posted on 12/11/2012 10:56:19 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: presently no screen name

I’m sorry, you know me? Point proven. Critical thinker you ain’t.


98 posted on 12/11/2012 10:56:32 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: ansel12
Will you always adhere to your Faith? Is Marriage part of your religious tenets?

Then how could marriage not exist? For that, you would need GOVERNMENT interference.

99 posted on 12/11/2012 10:56:49 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: angelcindy

Am I to take it from your post that you’re pro theocracy and anti 1st ammendment?


100 posted on 12/11/2012 10:58:01 AM PST by SwankyC
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