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Justice Scalia Defends Controversial Opinions About Gays At Princeton
Business Insider ^ | 12/11/2012 | Abby Rogers

Posted on 12/11/2012 9:58:12 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia went to head to head Monday night with a gay student at Princeton University over the jurist's opinions about homosexuality.

Duncan Hosie took issue with Scalia equating laws banning sodomy to laws against bestiality and murder.

"It's a form of argument that I thought you would have known, which is called the 'reduction to the absurd,'" Scalia said, according to the Associated Press. "If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

The high court's most outspoken justice stressed he wasn't equating sodomy and murder, but rather the bans on both, the AP reported.

Scalia's views on homosexuality will be a huge source of debate in March, when the court is scheduled to hear arguments in the two gay marriage cases it recently agreed to take on.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gayapparel; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; scalia; supremecourt

1 posted on 12/11/2012 9:58:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What is controversial about refusing to act as though a mental illness is normal behavior?


2 posted on 12/11/2012 10:01:27 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: SeekAndFind

Judge Scalia - do you really think that the average American bloke can understand your fine distinctions? The people who had their heads up their a$$e$ Nov 2008 and Nov 2012? And do you think the media won’t deliberately say that you think homosexuality and murder are the same thing?


3 posted on 12/11/2012 10:04:02 AM PST by I want the USA back (Half the American publc has its head up its a$$.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Shocking that sodomites would take issue with someone pointing out how deviant their behavior is. At least Christians don’t behead them like muslims.


4 posted on 12/11/2012 10:04:34 AM PST by ABQHispConservative (Only fake Christians vote or are Democrats.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I use the same logic but with a different bent.

If everyone did it, what would happen?

Ans. The human race would be wiped out.

5 posted on 12/11/2012 10:06:10 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ABQHispConservative

I’ve been praying for God to bring us some sign of impending doom. This world is becoming woefully bizarre and absurd in almost every way.

Everything I’ve learned and been taught in my life is now “abnormal.” Life without debt? Preposterous! Married to a woman for life? Outrageous! Kids raised in a home with a man and a woman? Laughable! Eat a home cooked meal at a dining room table with the TV off? So passé!

There’s nothing left for me to aspire to. There’s nothing great to look forward to. This is what the hedonists and sodomites want. They want us to be equal in their misery. Socialism is about shared poverty.


6 posted on 12/11/2012 10:14:36 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Sacajaweau
"If everyone did it, what would happen?"

Since I was about 10 years old, I've asked myself that question in exactly those words to self-discover moral behavior.

Religion, ethics, and other systematic training and principles are also welcome. But if everyone just looked at that question and behaved accordingly, the world would be much better off.

7 posted on 12/11/2012 10:14:40 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (BOHICA eGOP!)
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To: Sacajaweau
Ans. The human race would be wiped out.

But our Medical Industry has an answer for that too!! Test tube fertilization and surrogate baby ovens!
8 posted on 12/11/2012 10:15:03 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: I want the USA back

RE: Judge Scalia - do you really think that the average American bloke can understand your fine distinctions?

Scalia is giving a talk in Princeton. He is assuming that these students are intelligent enough to UNDERSTAND his fine distinctions.


9 posted on 12/11/2012 10:15:15 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals want to force you to think they way they insist. You are not allowed to have natural revulsion responses and make up your own mind about things. That would be bigoted.


10 posted on 12/11/2012 10:20:47 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: SeekAndFind

Why would a distinguished jurist like Justice Scalia waste his time talking to a Duncan Hosie at liberal Princeton. His words would go right over their pointed heads.


11 posted on 12/11/2012 10:22:01 AM PST by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All any of this amounts to is the leftist revolution. Every dissenting voice is to be silenced. Until we wake up and start fighting the left, more and more bad things will happen.

In the end, all their deviant and stupid behavior will be protected, all your traditional behavior will be criminalized.

Example, kids’ books with traditional families are now attacked as “homophobic”.


12 posted on 12/11/2012 10:22:14 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Degenerates are degenerates. I’ve had these arguments here in L.A. with the faggots. And the MOST known reply back is because they are “different”.

If you were born a man, and you act like a woman, how is this considered normal?

Now if a man was born a man and acts like a dishwasher, car, thinks he’s Superman, a dog, a lampshade, they automatically get straight-jacketed. But as a woman,? NOOOOOOOOOO


13 posted on 12/11/2012 10:24:32 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: SeekAndFind

The heading itself is an interesting case study in propaganda. Note the use of the word “defends” and the description of HIS opinion as “controversial.” Note the difference in tone with this headline: “Student Pushes Controversial Opinion of Homosexuality” or “Student Attempts to Push Controversial Sodomy Acceptance Views on Supreme Court Justice.” It’s done in so many ways, but the use of words like “controversial,” “defend(s),” and “admits,” along with any word ending in “-phobia” are common propaganda tools.


14 posted on 12/11/2012 10:24:33 AM PST by MissNomer
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To: rarestia

I’d say your prayers for a sign of impending doom have been answered many times in the last two decades!


15 posted on 12/11/2012 10:25:55 AM PST by utahagen
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Freudian-style psychology had us labeling it “mental illness”, which was the beginning of the left’s death-by-a-thousand-cuts removal of responsibility of the criminal’s actions from the criminal.


16 posted on 12/11/2012 10:26:40 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: utahagen

I’m only 32. I’ve only been awake enough to notice them for the last 10 or so.


17 posted on 12/11/2012 10:29:43 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think that a better comparison would be the laws against sodomy and bestiality, rather than murder. We have been reduced to determining whether an animal enjoyed the sexual act in order to decide the criminality of sodomy in WA State, where some of the most highly publicized bestiality cases have taken place.

Should it also be illegal to express moral outrage over bestiality?


18 posted on 12/11/2012 10:34:56 AM PST by Eva
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To: SeekAndFind

Scalia can think.

It’s pretty obvious that certain Princeton students cannot.


19 posted on 12/11/2012 10:39:15 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m amazed that Scalia was even allowed to speak — that he was (1) invited by such a leftist body as Princeton and (2) not shouted down by organized leftist goons.


20 posted on 12/11/2012 10:44:15 AM PST by pogo101
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To: SeekAndFind

The heading itself is an interesting case study in propaganda. Note the use of the word “defends” and the description of HIS opinion as “controversial.” Note the difference in tone with this headline: “Student Pushes Controversial Opinion of Homosexuality” or “Student Attempts to Push Controversial Sodomy Acceptance Views on Supreme Court Justice.” It’s done in so many ways, but the use of words like “controversial,” “defend(s),” and “admits,” along with any word ending in “-phobia” are common propaganda tools.


21 posted on 12/11/2012 10:50:27 AM PST by MissNomer
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To: SeekAndFind
Scalia

Son!... Kissing, licking, & sucking another man's anus, poop-chute, hershey highway, it just ain't right!

22 posted on 12/11/2012 10:50:45 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: SeekAndFind
It never ceases to amaze me that some barely post-pubescent college boy or girl would be so arrogant as to think that a United States Supreme Court Justice couldn't run the table on him or her in a game of wits.
23 posted on 12/11/2012 10:55:29 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
RE :”Duncan Hosie took issue with Scalia equating laws banning sodomy to laws against bestiality and murder.
“It's a form of argument that I thought you would have known, which is called the ‘reduction to the absurd,’” Scalia said, according to the Associated Press. “If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?”
The high court's most outspoken justice stressed he wasn't equating sodomy and murder, but rather the bans on both, the AP reported.
Scalia’s views on homosexuality will be a huge source of debate in March, when the court is scheduled to hear arguments in the two gay marriage cases it recently agreed to take on.”

Debate Scalia at your own risk.
His great talent which is rare is being able to articulate his positions in a way that crushs those opposed.

Can we regulate morality? How about murder? How about discrimination? How about rape?

How about forcing people to buy O-care?

24 posted on 12/11/2012 11:04:59 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
If everyone did it, what would happen?"

Congratulations! You've discovered Kant's principle of universality.

25 posted on 12/11/2012 11:11:47 AM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Martin Tell

Well there you go there then now eh?

I KANT believe I was that precocious!


26 posted on 12/11/2012 11:17:50 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (BOHICA eGOP!)
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To: MissNomer

I’m so used to noticing how the left frames things to suit their agenda that I “don’t” notice anymore, I just mentally ignore the framing.


27 posted on 12/11/2012 11:20:19 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Thanks for your good-humored response.

I just can't resist showing off my Philosophy 101 knowledge from 35 years ago. It's why my wife fondly calls me "Mr Know-It-All," and why I am so popular at parties.

28 posted on 12/11/2012 11:28:14 AM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Sacajaweau; Grampa Dave; tubebender; dixiechick2000; calcowgirl; Carry_Okie; ElkGroveDan; ...
"Ans. The human race would be wiped out."

That is EXACTLY what the GovernMental Lieberal EnvironMentalists are driving so hard at their goal line FOR!!!

The Devil is making them do it, knowing he hath but a short time!!!

That's why I call 'em "Demonicrats!"

Holy Christmas everybody!!!

29 posted on 12/11/2012 11:55:25 AM PST by SierraWasp (Blessed are they who prospect, dig & drill, for they are the primary producers of new, real wealth!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well he did dumb it down somewhat: he refers to “reducing to absurd” rather than the Latin “Reductio ad absurdum”. Probably knew that would go right over their pointy leftist heads!


30 posted on 12/11/2012 12:04:31 PM PST by pingman (Step right up and place yer' bets!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Exactly.

I was a little Catholic girl, about age 9. On Easter Sunday, my brother and I were delivering newspapers. It was a HUGE route.

Someone gave us an Easter Basket with plenty of candy. I took one piece and realized that I had broken my midnight fast (to receive communion).

I decided that no harm would be done and received communion.

It was many years later that I found out that these were man made rules and while useful, were subject to change and circumstance. There is no required fasting at this time.

31 posted on 12/11/2012 12:04:59 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

“If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?”


Thank you, God, for someone with some sense who can talk at the same time.


32 posted on 12/11/2012 12:21:01 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SeekAndFind
"It's a form of argument that I thought you would have known, which is called the 'reduction to the absurd,'"

There was a time when it was posited that liberalization of adultery laws would lead to promiscuity and tolerance for homosexuality too. I guess Mr. Hosee (misspelling intended) would have called that 'reduction to the absurd' as well.

33 posted on 12/11/2012 12:21:08 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Da Coyote
Scalia can think. It’s pretty obvious that certain Princeton students cannot.

It's near impossible to land a commonsense idea on the pointed head of an Academic.. Didn't your parents teach you about this stuff? ... :)

34 posted on 12/11/2012 2:03:42 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: rarestia

I certainly respect your thoughts. God intervened for Israel as they rose and fell in their faith and in their sins. Perhaps He will do so again for us, or else perhaps our sign of impending doom will appear sooner than later. His sweet patience, however, is not endless, which I believe we must agree. Thx.


35 posted on 12/11/2012 5:41:01 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: rarestia
I understand why you feel the way you do and its the propaganda that the news media and television put out...all of my children sit down to dinner with their children except one that is divorced but he and his kids get along fine. Cheer up and tell the media and newspapers to go to he!!. There are more of us than there are of them....When they were youngsters the dinning room table and dinner were learning experiences for them...like we camped from michigan to colorado to florida. One question would be asked and the one that remembered the most states got a “good going” from mom and dad. Just as example of dinner...Lots of people like you and me and probably the majority of freepers do the same thing.....once in a while as a teen, the boys would get a butt kick for being stupid....lesson learned :O)
36 posted on 12/11/2012 6:31:37 PM PST by goat granny
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To: sickoflibs

All laws reflect someone’s idea of morality....


37 posted on 12/11/2012 8:14:11 PM PST by GOPJ (Liberal elites: - a 'blame whitey firster' group....(there's payoff in there for them...))
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To: goat granny
There are more of us than there are of them

I would argue that point with you, granny, esp. considering the events of last month. That's not to say that many of us stayed home or had our votes "lost" by some malfeasance, but more people will suffer the emotional and morale degradation I have and feel there's little hope for the greatness of America.

I will persevere, but I fear the costs to live will increase greatly in the coming year.

38 posted on 12/12/2012 5:49:24 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: goat granny
There are more of us than there are of them

I would argue that point with you, granny, esp. considering the events of last month. That's not to say that many of us stayed home or had our votes "lost" by some malfeasance, but more people will suffer the emotional and morale degradation I have and feel there's little hope for the greatness of America.

I will persevere, but I fear the costs to live will increase greatly in the coming year.

39 posted on 12/12/2012 5:49:24 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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African-Americans and Latinos are disproportionately affected by HIV and AIDS.

Blacks accounted for 45% of new HIV infections in 2006 and 47% of those living with the disease, yet they make up only 12% of the U.S. population.

Latinos account for 17% of new infections yet comprise 15% of the U.S. population, while whites represent 35% of new infections and account for 66% of the total population.

The AIDS case rate for African Americans is more than 9 times that of whites, and the HIV rate is 7 times greater among blacks than whites. Survival after an AIDS diagnosis is lower for blacks than any other racial/ethnic group.

Young adults and teens between 13 and 29 represent 34% of new HIV infections, the largest share of any age group. Black teens are disproportionately affected, representing 68% of reported AIDS cases among 13 to 19-year-olds in 2007.

New infections due to injection drug use have declined by about 80% since the mid-to-late 1990s, accounting for 12% of new infections in 2006.

Women now account for 27% of HIV infections, with 280,000 women living with HIV and AIDS. Black women accounted for 65% of new AIDS cases among women in 2007 and the largest share of new HIV infections (61%).

71% of all AIDS cases reported since the beginning of the epidemic are concentrated in 10 states or territories. While the District of Columbia has the highest AIDS case rate (148.1 per 100,000 in 2007), the states of New York (17.6%), California (14.4%) and Florida (10.6%) have the most cumulative AIDS cases


So who are the HOMOS?

WHITES with AIDS : 1


BLACKS with AIDS : 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9


40 posted on 12/13/2012 6:48:56 PM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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To: sickoflibs; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican

Scalia needs to be cloned about 8 times.


41 posted on 12/14/2012 2:59:49 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy; sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican
>> Scalia needs to be cloned about 8 times. <<

Well, I'd take 3 Scalias, 3 Alitos, and 3 Clarance Thomas', you know, so we have diversity on the bench. ;-)

Seriously though, it sucks that we can't trust Kennedy OR Roberts to vote right on gay marriage now, even though we technically have a 5-4 majority on the court (we couldn't even trust the majority when we had a 7-2 GOP majority on SCOTUS!)

I voted for Romney, but the tired old argument that we need to elect a GOP president to "stop activist judges" is one that has really been totally discredited by the number of judicial turds that GOP presidents have named in the last 30 years. I certainly did not pick Romney because I trusted him to name good judges.

42 posted on 12/14/2012 7:05:26 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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