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Putin says Lenin should stay on Red Square
Russia Beyond The Headlines ^ | December 11, 2012 | Yulia Ponomareva

Posted on 12/11/2012 2:06:28 PM PST by No One Special

Putin has called for Communist leader Vladimir Lenin's body to be preserved in its mausoleum on Red Square, comparing the embalmed body of the founder of the Soviet state to the relics of saints.

"Many are saying that having Lenin's Mausoleum runs counter to the tradition. But what runs counter to tradition?" Putin told a meeting with celebrities who campaigned for him in the March 2012 presidential election, according to the Kremlin website. "Just go to Kiev Pechersk Lavra or check out Pskov Monastery or Mount Athos. You'll see the relics of saints there."

Putin cited almost word-for-word the present-day leader of Russia's Communist Party, Gennady Zyuganov, who last August said that "this form of burying [the body of] Lenin complies with Orthodox canons and traditions" and also drew the Kiev Pechersk Lavra example to back up his point.

Putin also called for "returning to our historic roots," lamenting a lack of a common ideology.

"What happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the dominant ideology?" Putin asked his supporters. "We never got anything in its place."

Echoing the words of Zyuganov again, Putin remarked that the Communist Builder's Code, a list of Communist moral principles dated 1961, borrowed a great deal from the Bible and the Koran.

Putin's comments come as public support for removing Lenin's body from the mausoleum is growing, a recent survey by the Public Opinion Fund showed.

The number of those supporting the idea of burying Lenin's body has grown 10 percent over the past six years, reaching 56 percent. Only 28 percent of respondents said Lenin's body should be left in the mausoleum.

Speaking about the possibility of a Christian-style funeral in 2010 at a meeting of the Valdai club of political thinkers, Putin said that would come "in good time," Gazeta.ru reported.

"The time will come and the Russian people will decide what to do," Putin was quoted as saying.

In response to Putin's comments, a prominent member of the movement "For taking Lenin out" and the abbot of several churches in Moscow, Father Sergius, said that comparing Lenin's body with the relics of saints was "inadmissible."

"The relics of saints and the body of a Satanist, dictator and a bloody monster are two different things," Father Sergius told Interfax. "Putin probably wants to please both sides, but he should make a choice - to build Russia on national interests, or to court the Communists."

Dmitry Dyomushkin, leader of Russkiye, a nationalist movement for ethnic Russians, said nationalist and Orthodox activists were outraged at Putin's remarks.

"Putin will undoubtedly lose the support of many Orthodox and Cossack organizations," Interfax reported Dyomushkin as saying.

Lenin's Mausoleum on Red Square is one of five remaining mausoleums for political leaders in the world. Lenin expressed the wish to be buried near to his parents in Petrograd, but instead Stalin insisted that Lenin be preserved in the mausoleum on Red Square immediately after his death in 1924.

Other mummified leaders include North Korean leaders Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-Il, early 20th century Chinese nationalist leader Sun Yat-sen, Chinese Communist leader Mao Zedong, and Vietnam's Ho Chi Minh.

Calls for the burial of Lenin's body grew in the late 1980s, during the period of glasnost and perestroika ahead of the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the controversy has raged to the present day.

Last year Culture Minister Vladimir Medinsky, a member of the ruling United Russia party, argued for burying Lenin, whom he described as "a highly controversial political figure." "Having him as a central figure in a necropolis at the heart of our country is sheer nonsense," Medinsky was quoted by United Russia's press service as saying.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: belarus; coldwar2; communism; kazakhstan; kgb; putin; russia; sovietunion; ukraine; ussr; vladimirputin
To bury or not to bury.
1 posted on 12/11/2012 2:06:29 PM PST by No One Special
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To: No One Special

Let the dogs urinate on him.


2 posted on 12/11/2012 2:13:05 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: No One Special

As a speed bump...


3 posted on 12/11/2012 2:13:27 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: No One Special

IIRC his will was to be buried modestly in some particular village. His wife wanted him buried as well. Stalin saw the use in a secular relic though, so there he lies. I’ve seen him twice. I think they replaced his hands at some point.


4 posted on 12/11/2012 2:14:30 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Not so "commanding", not so "inevitable".)
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To: No One Special
"We Will Bury You"
Nikita Kruschev, 1956


"We Will Not Bury You"
Vladimir Putin, 2012


5 posted on 12/11/2012 2:34:12 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

LOL!


6 posted on 12/11/2012 2:44:45 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Not so "commanding", not so "inevitable".)
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To: Psalm 144

They probably replaced his hands with calloused ones because like modern lefty idealists, he probably never put in a day of hard physical labor in his life...


7 posted on 12/11/2012 3:30:17 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: No One Special
I was told many years ago that with the collapse of the USSR communism was dead. I laughed then and I'm still laughing.

Sadly, it is now here with our current pos potus

FMCDH(BITS)

8 posted on 12/11/2012 5:25:30 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

9 posted on 12/11/2012 5:54:47 PM PST by No One Special
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To: nothingnew

Sort of like what they say is the devil’s greatest trick: pretending he doesn’t exist


10 posted on 12/11/2012 5:58:12 PM PST by No One Special
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added to or removed from this list, please FReepmail me...

11 posted on 12/11/2012 6:28:13 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: No One Special
Where are all the anti-American goosestepping Putinistas to explain to us that Putin is a great Christian patriot who loves his country?

What a laugh! Putin compares Lenin's dessicated mummy to the holy relics of Christian saints, and the leader of the Russian Communist Party agrees wholeheartedly!

Putin's religion is clearly not Christianity, but the religion of Leninism.

Once a Chekist, always a Chekist!

Putin's father was NKVD and his grandfather was Lenin's cook! Putin can no more disown Lenin and the EVIL EMPIRE than he can disown his father and his grandfather who loyally served Soviet Communism just like he did!

Christian patriots did not loyally serve the KGB like Putin, they are the ones who fought the KGB and were persecuted by stupid evil thugs like Putin!

Down with the satanic tyrant Putin!

Russia without Putin!

12 posted on 12/11/2012 6:36:45 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: No One Special

No, his greatest trick was getting so many to think God doesn’t exist.


13 posted on 12/11/2012 7:12:03 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Thunder90

I see the head Russian community agitator, I mean organizer, is keeping the first modern day successful organizer above ground. Who would have thought........


14 posted on 12/11/2012 7:16:27 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: No One Special

Meanwhile the remains of Tsar Nicholas’s two youngest children are sitting in a cardboard box somewhere while they decide whether or not to give them a state funeral and bury them with the rest of the family.


15 posted on 12/11/2012 7:27:51 PM PST by redk
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Where are all the anti-American goosestepping Putinistas to explain to us that Putin is a great Christian patriot who loves his country?

Recovering from chin injuries caused by abnormal knees reflexology.

16 posted on 12/11/2012 7:51:21 PM PST by No One Special
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To: redk

Yeah, well, you know, they were the kids of the 1%. OK? ;-)


17 posted on 12/11/2012 7:55:40 PM PST by No One Special
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Putin needs the mausoleum to exist. He want his own mummy there one day.


18 posted on 12/11/2012 11:10:48 PM PST by Krosan
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19 posted on 12/12/2012 12:20:45 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: No One Special
Leave him there as a remembrance of folly. I believe it is better for Russians to see this fool there and remember the millions killed and say "never again"

People forget history -- look at the recent US elections

20 posted on 12/12/2012 1:06:38 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Axenolith

Actually the new ones (actually I last saw them close to a decade ago) look like pink wax doll hands.

Supposedly the mummy was damaged in some terrorist effort.


21 posted on 12/12/2012 3:52:45 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Not so "commanding", not so "inevitable".)
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To: deks

At least that’s not creepy...


22 posted on 12/12/2012 7:17:29 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Remember, this comes from the people who want to canonize Stalin as a saint in the Russian Orthodox Church...


23 posted on 12/12/2012 8:34:50 AM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90

Well on one hand, Lenin did want to be buried in St. Petersburg near his family, keeping him in that mausoleum is a denial of his final wishes, OTOH, he was a communist not a christian so he is not entitled to christian burial. That being said, irregardless of what he was and what he did, final wishes largely trump identity in this case. he should be buried. As far as what he was and what he/they did, Russia certainly would not be where it is today, and likely still the backward agrarian sick old man of Europe if not for him, and he did establish the NEP before Stalin dismantled it, the roots for the eventual unraveling of the Soviet system. Frankly their history required him... Not saying it’s right, nobody is more anti-communist than me, but it simply is what it is...


24 posted on 12/12/2012 11:56:43 PM PST by Schwaeky (The Republic--Shall be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure Society!)
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To: Schwaeky
Russia certainly would not be where it is today, and likely still the backward agrarian sick old man of Europe if not for him, and he did establish the NEP before Stalin dismantled it, the roots for the eventual unraveling of the Soviet system.

IMNSVHO, You are falling into a bit of an ideologically prepared faux-history. Russia was NOT just some brutal rustic serfdom prior to WWI. Russia was rich and was rapidly industrializing at a phenomenal pace. There was a very substantial middle class living in large and often beautiful cities fully the equal of anything else in Europe at the time, and a lot of them. However, its government infrastructure under the Czar proved incapable of managing or planning this on the vast scale required by the sheer size of Russia and its riches. Throw in the war against Japan and then WWI, into which the Czar foolishly and quite unnecessarily led his nation, and the fragile system collapsed of its own weight. The Bolsheviks were kicking a system that was already down because of war. It was not the rural population that joined them, it was the war-time industrial workers in the cities, crushed by government inefficiencies.

To this day, NO Russian government has matched the agricultural output reached under the Czars after the land reforms of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries created a wealthy class of independent farmers. Who the hell knows what would have happened without the Communists. It's just that we ought not to fall for the largely bullshit bolshevik version of Russian history.

The Czars were "Dunces Sitting on a Volcano," for sure. But it was the war(s) that set off the eruption of which the Communists took advantage. They saved nobody.

25 posted on 12/13/2012 9:36:15 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, whatever happened to Reggie Love?)
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