Skip to comments.Mexico: Rivera's plane hit with 'terrible' impact
Posted on 12/11/2012 9:34:36 PM PST by F15Eagle
MEXICO CITY (AP) The plane carrying Mexican-American music superstar Jenni Rivera plunged almost vertically from more than 28,000 feet and hit the ground in a nose-dive at a speed that may have exceeded 600 miles per hour, Mexico's top transportation official said Tuesday.
In the first detailed account of the moments leading up to the crash that killed Rivera and six other people, Secretary of Communications and Transportation Gerardo Ruiz Esparza told Radio Formula that the twin-engine turbojet hit the ground 1.2 miles from where it began falling.
"The plane practically nose-dived," he said. "The impact must have been terrible."
Ruiz did not offer any explanation of what may have caused the plane to plummet, saying only that "The plane fell from an altitude of 28,000 feet ... It may have hit a speed higher than 1,000 kph (621 mph)."
Ruiz said the pilot of the plane, Miguel Perez Soto, had a valid Mexican pilot's license that would have expired in January. Photos of a temporary pilot's certificate issued by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and found amid the wreckage said that Perez was 78.
Ruiz said there is no age limit for flying a civil aviation aircraft, though for commercial flights it's 65. In the United States it's unusual for a pilot to be 78.
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Has Bob Costas gone on a rant about airplanes yet?
The plane stops suddenly, and you are still going 600 miles per hour.
That’s tragic, I was thinking Jerry Rivers.
I thought it was Michael Rivera. Still, if it’s his cousin then we can suspect a conspiracy!
Yes, that is one way to say it. Ouch.
I would not get in an aircraft if I knew the pilot was 78.. DEFINITELY not if there was only one pilot, aged 78. No way.
Correction: Your momentum is 600 MPH. Upon impact you are no longer going 600 MPH. Just say’n
I know she had a charity organization that funded treatments for children with cancer, and also helped women who wanted to get out of situations of domestic violence.
That’s a terrible loss for those children she was helping and her family.
I agree with you. Flying with a single pilot aged 78 is risky business and I believe that it is entirely possible that this guy had a heart attack. We will probably never know for sure though.
I agree. Too great a chance of a serious medical condition. If he was alone and that happened and the plane nosed over, they would likely not have been able to pull it out of a dive.
And from the initial description, I’d figure it was a lot more than 600 mph on the way down.
Goes without saying that in a short amount of time (extremely short) your forward speed be zero.
Reminds me of the joke about what is the last thing that goes through a bug's mind when he hits you windshield.
She had more talent than Rihanna or Lady Gaga.
Yeah. All the 24-50 year old motorcycle riders smoking pot and nicking a flask from who cruising down our streets and highways at 90 miles an hour, are much safer.
Sorry, missed that one ... please share.
A: It’s a$$.
24-50 don’t suffer from strokes and heart attacks like many 78-year-olds. Though they do have some.
I would hope the mandatory drug tests will stop most potheads from flying aircraft, at least jets.
But I’m sure a few have figured out how to game the system.
I was studying the AeroMexico crash a few months ago and one private pilot crossed the TCA without permission and drew all the attention of a controller. Another (private) pilot crossed the TCA and clipped the horizontal stabilizer off the AeroMexico plane and doomed the crew and passengers.
Now it that particular crash, I saw no mention of drugs or medical conditions.
depends on which gear.
This is a 2 pilot plane. My husband used to fly one. This was built in 1969 and apparently the owner, Starwood, had a problem a while back with a plane being seized over drug running - or something like that.
Not that I’m a pilot but seems to me that if the auto plot was on - that nose diving wouldn’t have been likely due to a medical condition. If you recall Payne Stewart’s plane flew quite a way with dead pilots and passengers. Sounds more like a mechanical issue.
They were only 10 minutes out of the airport. Even though there are two seats, that doesn’t mean there were two pilots in the cockpit at the time of the event.
Though I’d say 28,000 feet 10 minutes out is a pretty impressive rate of climb.
I would have imagined they were going for a higher altitude but haven’t seen any info on whether the autopilot was engaged. We’ll have to see the CVR / controller transcripts to see what FL they were going for.
Was it a fall or a power on dive?
There are a lot of very competent pilots flying that are in their 80s.
I’m 75 and don’t intend to quit.
A friend of mine was flying until he got cancer at 92 and quit.
Well this is true...maybe he was flying solo...something my husband never would have even tried.
He said the Lear25 could be tricky to fly...skittish because of it’s configuration. He mostly flew bigger planes - Lear55, did some test piloting in a Lear35, Challenger, Falcon.
I’m guessing by your screen name you know way more about this than I do!
Guess we’ll find out when they analyze the data - maybe the radar track will indicate the speed.
Well, :). Not that much.
Sometimes private planes do use a single pilot to save on expenses.
I had heard long ago the private pilot that hit the AeroMexico back in 1988(?) had a heart attack but that may have only been speculation. Very tragic.
The pilot has already arrived, but you’ll be there in a jiffy.
Correction: Your momentum is 600 MPH. Upon impact you are no longer going 600 MPH. Just sayn
Correction to your correction.
Your VELOCITY is 600 mph.
Your momentum is 600 mph times your mass.
What mechanical problem would cause the plane to nosedive like this?
Us old timers are laughing at your joke.
A 43 year old plane is going to have a high total time, probably above 16,000 hours. If there was a rapid decompression at 35,000 feet the pilot and copilot would have little time to get oxygen on before losing consciousness.
Less than 30 seconds or so before unconsciousness.
So much to go wrong on this flight.
Old plane, maybe a solo pilot who was old, late night. My husband has never flown a jet without a co-pilot - I know there are single pilot Citations but not Lears.
I took a class and we were told that “get home itis” causes more accidents than anything.
Ok I saw the Mexican news and they said there was the older pilot but there was a copilot and he was 20 years of age. They feel it may be due to the age of the pilot and you got a 20 year copilot who is just barely flying with not enough hours. What I don’t like about the Mexican news is that they are graphic. They showed the wreckage but they also showed limbs. I’m thinking why show that. It is the opposite here where the new media cover any picture that is graphic like in 911 or a murder but in Mexico o well lets show it.
I feel bad for the family of Jenni I hope they didn’t get to see that segment. Then of course you have the Gordo Y La Flaca (The Fat & The Thin - not a show on ODumbo & Krispy Kreme =) which is a celebrity news show. OMG they interview the mother and the rest of the family. The one most stupid question the fat dude asked “Who is handling all the paperwork of Jenni’s?”. I’m like “dude this woman lost her daughter and you got the nerve to ask that” Then they recorded Jenni’s son who looks about 11 and I can see he was not fond of them taking picture. There is no respect for the grieving family.
I’ve very surprised anything was left at the wreckage site, if it nosedived from 28,000 ft. Generally everything would have vaporized, with nothing including engines left to inspect.
Thanks for the update - yeah terrible about that stuff
I never really thought about that option. I’ve been a Lear passenger about 40-50 times in my lifetime and have always had two pilots. Can’t imagine going with only one. I always enjoyed sitting just outside the cockpit to see what I could learn.
So do you think he might have stalled?
Even at 600 mph, youre only going about 5 miles, so the duration would be 5/600 hours, times 3600 seconds per hour = 30 seconds.If the power was high as you suggest, any plane would be shedding parts before it hit the ground.
At what speed do parts start coming off the Lear 25?
Dunno. I’m not surprised it could climb that fast but they’re saying it was missing about 10 minutes out.
Don’t know how many details they’ll be able to recover here, anyways.
That's what happened with a DC-9 in SE Florida. (Broward or Palm Beach County). Leaking Oxygen canisters were blamed in the 90's direct, uncontrolled, headlong descent into Everglades-like terrain. With nothing remaining, a concrete memorial was installed at the crash-site.
Several reasons. From a Mach tuck gone bad to a broken elevator control system.
The investigation is going to be very difficult given the impact velocity and geometry. Not much survives an impact at that velocity that's bigger than a flake of aluminum.
Maybe part of the engine core and some cable but that will be about it.
One more correction. Velocity is a vector, so it’s 600 mph in the downward direction. Speed was 600 mph.
I have more talent than Lady gaga and I can’t carry a tune in a bucket.
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