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Smoking Pot and Tying the Knot
Townhall.com ^ | December 12, 2012 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 12/12/2012 7:35:21 AM PST by Kaslin

Last Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed for the first time to take on the issue of gay marriage. No matter how it rules in the two cases it will hear next spring, polling data suggest it is only a matter of time before legal recognition of same-sex unions is the norm throughout the country.

Something similar is happening with marijuana, which became legal in Washington last week and in Colorado on Monday. With both pot and gay marriage, familiarity is breeding tolerance.

The cases before the Supreme Court deal with popular reactions against gay marriage: the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a 1996 law that barred the federal government from recognizing state-licensed gay marriages, and Proposition 8, a 2008 ballot initiative that amended California's Constitution to eliminate same-sex couples' right to marry, which the California Supreme Court had recognized that year. But something interesting happened after those measures passed: Surveys now indicate that most Americans support gay marriage.

The turnaround was remarkably fast. A 1996 Gallup poll found that 27 percent of Americans thought same-sex marriages should be "recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages"; by last year, that number had nearly doubled. Recent surveys by ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN also put support for gay marriage above 50 percent.

Striking generational differences mean these numbers will continue to rise. In a CBS News poll last month, 72 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds supported gay marriage, compared to 53 percent of 30- to 44-year-olds, 44 percent of 45- to 64-year-olds and 33 percent of respondents who were 65 or older.

The consequences of these changing attitudes could be seen in last month's election results. For the first time ever, gay marriage was legalized by popular referendum -- not in one state, but in three: Maine, Maryland and Washington. Voters in a fourth state, Minnesota, rejected an initiative that would have amended the state constitution to prohibit gay marriage (which is already banned there by statute).

On the same day, voters in Colorado and Washington approved ballot measures aimed at legalizing the cultivation, possession and sale of marijuana for recreational use. The initiatives won by surprisingly healthy margins of about 10 points in both states, in contrast with a California legalization measure that lost by 7 points two years ago.

Nationwide support for marijuana legalization, like nationwide support for gay marriage, has increased dramatically, although not quite as swiftly, rising from 12 percent in a 1969 Gallup poll to a record 50 percent last year. While support for legalization dipped a bit during the anti-pot backlash of the Just Say No era, it began rising again in the 1990s. Public Policy Polling recently put it at 58 percent, the highest level ever recorded.

With pot as with gay marriage, there are clear age-related differences, reflecting different levels of experience with marijuana. In the CBS News survey, support for legalization was 54 percent among 18- to 29-year-olds, 53 percent among 30- to 44-year-olds, 46 percent among 45- to 64-year-olds and 30 percent among respondents of retirement age.

Just as an individual's attitude toward gay people depends to a large extent on how many he knows (or, more to the point, realizes he knows), his attitude toward pot smokers (in particular, his opinion about whether they should be treated like criminals) is apt to be influenced by his personal experience with them. Americans younger than 65, even if they have never smoked pot, probably know people who have, and that kind of firsthand knowledge provides an important reality check on the government's anti-pot propaganda.

Another clear pattern in both of these areas: Republicans are much more likely than Democrats to oppose legalizing gay marriage and marijuana. Yet Republicans are also more likely to oppose federal interference with state policy choices. In light of DOMA's disregard for state marriage laws and the Obama administration's threats to prevent Colorado and Washington from allowing marijuana sales, now is put-up-or-shut-up time for the GOP's avowed federalists.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; drugwar; homosexualagenda; marijuana; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: Strategerist

Do you have kids? If so how old are they?


21 posted on 12/12/2012 8:31:29 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: stuartcr

Resisting the homosexual agenda is very important to me and FR. If you’re now going to start pushing that crap, you can post elsewhere.


22 posted on 12/12/2012 8:32:50 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Kaslin

conservatives are NOT federalists....


23 posted on 12/12/2012 8:38:19 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: stuartcr
Or perhaps they don't understand how important they are.

History is littered with cultures that self-destruct.

24 posted on 12/12/2012 8:41:00 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: xzins

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2246312/Girl-7-beats-leukaemia-revolutionary-treatment-using-HIV-virus-wire-immune-system.html


25 posted on 12/12/2012 8:41:10 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: ansel12

you do not know many, if any, libertarians do you??

However, you seem to have no problem trying to drive a wedge between conservatives and libertarians...

and you appear to do it often..

perhaps you are simply a republican party hack, who wants to keep the conservative / libertarian wing of the party in check???


26 posted on 12/12/2012 8:41:37 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: xzins
It all makes sense now. Gay marriage & marijuana being legalized on the same day. Leviticus 20:13- "If a man lays with another man he should be stoned." We were just interpreting it wrong.

I don't care who you are, that's just funny right there...

27 posted on 12/12/2012 8:43:06 AM PST by TADSLOS (No need to watch the movie "Idiocracy". We're living it.)
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To: TADSLOS

That’s what I thought, too. I actually did laugh out loud when I read it.


28 posted on 12/12/2012 8:45:20 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: joe fonebone

Gosh, you ignored the entire post.


29 posted on 12/12/2012 8:48:11 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Strategerist

I’m mostly reefering (couldn’t resist) to the increased numbers of kids that will now become pot smokers because to them and their parents, it will be seen as not too bad. And I’ll take any bet you want that I’ll be able to pick out the 12 year old who’s the pot smoker. And in many cases it becomes an ugly way of life. And my argument if we are talking about an adult is this. Imagine what their conversation (or accomplishments) would be like if they didn’t smoke pot? I’ve been there and done that, seen many sorry cases, so sorry but, this mind ain’t moving on pot. And it’s a far cry from alcohol. You can have a drink or two and still think rationally. Once you are stoned, even a little bit stoned, your mindset completely changes. And not for the better. It truly is insidious poison. Just one more sign of the world we’ve become. I would hope and pray that good parents stand up to the challenge for their children’s sake.


30 posted on 12/12/2012 8:48:10 AM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: surfer

Thanks for the link. I’m happy for the little girl.

I did notice the docs used disabled HIV.

Enabled HIV, the kind passed by gays, is deadly. It disables their lives — even with new drug treatments — a couple or more decades early. And that’s just one pathogen spread by their unnatural behavior.


31 posted on 12/12/2012 8:53:49 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: RoosterRedux; Texas Eagle

I have been a prosecutor/defense attorney/judge for almost 30 years now. I have come to the conclusion that the “war on drugs” as currently fought is a failure. It is the same failure that Prohibition was in the 1920’s. You cannot use the Courtroom to change people’s behaviors. It just doesn’t work.

As long as people want to smoke pot, they will smoke pot. The only way to have people stop smoking pot is a negative social stigma coupled with some internal sense of “wrongness” in the activity. Most people won’t have sex with dead animals in their front yards because the notion of doing so is repellent to them. That same sense of “wrongness” needs to apply to pot smoking.

Government should deal with the pot issue is the same as every other “bad” behavior, in my opinion. Stop subsidizing it. Stop supporting it. If someone wants to smoke pot, fine. If they can only keep a minimum wage job, let them lead a minimum wage life. No government handouts or support, no disability payments. Let people live with the consequences of their decisions, and if the consequences are bad, they can serve as an example to others.


32 posted on 12/12/2012 8:57:19 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Jim Robinson

I had the same initial reaction to Stuartcr’s post, but after reading it again, I think it was meant to expose the sad state of mind of many Americans, but certainly not those here on FR. I’m also guessing he hasn’t checked his replies to defend his point. Sorry to both of you if I’m wrong.


33 posted on 12/12/2012 8:58:44 AM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: Kaslin

Colorado and Washington legalizing recreational use was about the only positive thing to take away from the 2012 elections, IMO.


34 posted on 12/12/2012 9:01:19 AM PST by GSWarrior (Click HERE to read entire tagline.)
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To: mbarker12474

...all-male public saunas, smoking pot in gay nursery schools??? Where do you live?


35 posted on 12/12/2012 9:03:39 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: henkster
Amen!

That said, I have no problem with companies who want to drug test to keep a drug free workplace.

36 posted on 12/12/2012 9:05:08 AM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: xzins

And it will take care of itself.


37 posted on 12/12/2012 9:08:19 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Please show me in my statement, where you found that I was pushing anything? I was merely making a statement based on personal observation.


38 posted on 12/12/2012 9:09:52 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: RoosterRedux

I absolutely agree with companies drug testing to keep a drug free workplace. Maybe better to call it a “drug free workforce.” It’s their work place, they can make whatever rules they want for their employees, and this is a rational rule.

Stoners don’t want to pee in the cup, they can go start their own business. Probably in hydroponics.


39 posted on 12/12/2012 9:10:46 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: stuartcr

To hell with your personal observations. FR is the resistance!! If you do not wish to defend against the homosexual agenda (which is just another Marxist tool to destroy our liberty), please leave!!


40 posted on 12/12/2012 9:13:45 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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