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Michigan Auto Union Reactions a Harbinger of Things to Come?
American Thinker ^ | 12/12/2012 | Neil Snyder

Posted on 12/12/2012 8:30:57 AM PST by SeekAndFind

In the early 1980s, Ford and Chrysler were struggling to make ends meet and Chrysler needed a government bailout to keep going. General Motors' predicament in the 1980s wasn't life threatening so it continued along its merry way without making significant changes.

I don't remember which automaker it was, but in the early 1980s one of the Big Three asked its union workers in Michigan to take a pay cut so that it could continue to operate. The unions were told that if they didn't accept a pay cut, the firm would move production to Texas.

The unions considered the request and unceremoniously rejected it. The company closed the plant and started manufacturing in Texas. That's a perfect example of union workers in Michigan cutting off their nose to spite their face.

GM still hasn't made the kinds of changes that it must make if it hopes remain solvent, and without government intervention GM would have gone down the tubes in 2009. Even with government support, the company's future doesn't look bright.

American taxpayers are the losers and so are auto buyers because GM cars and trucks are still overpriced. A quick look at Forbes' list of the most overpriced cars in 2010 makes my point. During the first seven months of 2012, GM had an 18% share of the U.S. market -- down 2% from 2011, and in the global arena, Toyota is taking GM to the cleaners.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: michigan; righttowork; rtw; thuggery; unions; unionthugs

1 posted on 12/12/2012 8:31:04 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I for one will never, EVER buy another vehicle assembled in a non-right to work state.


2 posted on 12/12/2012 8:37:49 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: SeekAndFind
"GM has a plant in Arlington that builds Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon, and Chevy Suburban and Tahoe SUVs

Toyota has a plant in San Antonio that builds Tundra and Tacoma trucks."

Looks like GM put a truck plant in Texas - they used to have one in Louisiana too.

3 posted on 12/12/2012 8:42:08 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: tgusa

Same here. I have not bought a new union made vehicle since 1983.


4 posted on 12/12/2012 8:42:22 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's the OBOTS who are filling up prisons for violent crimes, not the Tea Party.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Look for the union label and then buy something else.

Desperation in Obamation.


5 posted on 12/12/2012 8:42:32 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Marxist revolutionary ideal embraces violence as a legitimate vehicle for social change. Expecting union thugs to behave in a civilized manner is like asking Genghis Khan to wipe his feet before he trashes your parlor.


6 posted on 12/12/2012 8:43:10 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: tgusa

Unions pretend they care about ‘workers’. They don’t. They care about union members. That’s why union goons don’t care if there are MORE jobs in Indiana - at higher pay - now that Indiana’s a right to work state.

Union goons don’t care if every company goes bankrupt and half the citizens don’t have jobs. They care if THEY have the right to skim the cream. Eff ‘em. I won’t buy ‘union’ crap either.


7 posted on 12/12/2012 8:44:09 AM PST by GOPJ (Liberal elites: - a 'blame whitey firster' group....(there's payoff in there for them...))
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To: Paladin2

Don’t forget GM opens its newest plant in Mexico in March 2013. I would guess that 90% of UAW workers don’t know a thing about it. Perhaps too much lunch...


8 posted on 12/12/2012 8:44:40 AM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I smell sabotage.


9 posted on 12/12/2012 8:45:42 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: JohnD9207
"Perhaps too much lunch..."

wouldn't they be the most recently re-instated Chrysler workers?

10 posted on 12/12/2012 8:45:54 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind
I worked for county government in MI for a number of years. Guess what union we were FORCED to join? The UAW.

The UAW saw declining numbers of auto workers years ago and moved into government; they figured there was a work force that certainly wouldn't decline -- and they were certainly right.

But now with MI becoming a right to work state, I know some of my former co-workers will be standing in line all night if they have to (in the cold if they have to) to get themselves OUT of the hated UAW.

"Cutting off their noses to spite their face" -- perfect picture.

11 posted on 12/12/2012 8:46:19 AM PST by Jerrybob (Truth -- the new hate speech.)
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To: Paladin2

Yes good loyal union workers who happen to enjoy lunch with their brothers...a power lunch.


12 posted on 12/12/2012 8:53:38 AM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: JohnD9207
Don’t forget GM opens its newest plant in Mexico in March 2013.

Good, hahaha.

"Cutting off their noses to spite their face"

Good, hahaha. Nice morning today, hahahaha.

13 posted on 12/12/2012 8:57:08 AM PST by Mr Apple ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2171062/posts)
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To: GOPJ
Unions also love to boast that their members make more than their non-union counterparts even after union dues are deducted.

Well, yeah, it is sort of like OPEC pointing out that their cartel extracts more dollars per barrel of oil than non-OPEC members. That works for awhile as long as the demand exceeds the supply.

But non-union workers don't need to make as much as union workers for a better standard of living because most right to work states are also low tax states and lower cost of living states. A huge part of the union-nanny state partnership infrastructure goes to support the looting class.

14 posted on 12/12/2012 8:59:02 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Jerrybob

RE: I worked for county government in MI for a number of years. Guess what union we were FORCED to join? The UAW.

How the heck does working for the county translate to being a United AUTO worker? Are you working with cars at all?


15 posted on 12/12/2012 9:02:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

We have UAW prison guards in Michigan.


16 posted on 12/12/2012 9:06:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Vigilanteman

I was in a union at several of my jobs. I know I could have made more if my pay was not capped to compensate for under achieving union members. I don’t buy this crap that union members make more than non union members. The last union I worked for I quit and started working for myself. I made 3 times what I did at the union.


17 posted on 12/12/2012 9:10:34 AM PST by jimpick
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To: SeekAndFind

UAW can organize any company or industry they want. Not just autos


18 posted on 12/12/2012 9:12:35 AM PST by NathanR
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To: NathanR

UAW then has to stand for United Any Industry Workers if this is the case.


19 posted on 12/12/2012 9:14:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

BTW the GM plant in Texas is UAW Local 276.


20 posted on 12/12/2012 9:14:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GOPJ
Unions pretend they care about ‘workers’. They don’t. They care about union members. That’s why union goons don’t care if there are MORE jobs in Indiana - at higher pay - now that Indiana’s a right to work state.

Unions care first, last, and only about union LEADERSHIP. This is why they will happily put thousands of union members on the unemployment rolls, rather than accept a pay cut which would serve as a precedent at other companies. Unions look at only one thing: dues revenue.

21 posted on 12/12/2012 9:15:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: GOPJ

hey don’t. They care about union members. .... Of course not. They only want the dues coming in so they can skim it.


22 posted on 12/12/2012 9:15:48 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You now see bizarre situations where the United Auto Workers and the United Steel Workers end up slugging it out with one another for the right to organize a few dozen janitors someplace in California.


23 posted on 12/12/2012 9:17:36 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JohnD9207

“Don’t forget GM opens its newest plant in Mexico in March 2013. I would guess that 90% of UAW workers don’t know a thing about it. Perhaps too much lunch...”

Our Chevrolet Avalanche was built in Monterrey, Mexico. Doubt if that was UAW labor! Look for GM to phase out of building vehicles in “union run” states. Michigan is just trying to stave off the departures.


24 posted on 12/12/2012 9:21:55 AM PST by vette6387
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To: SeekAndFind

Well into the 1960s and 1970s union members were for the most part staunch patriots and vocal opponents of anything that reeked of the liberal/socialist agenda.

They pasted “America - Love it or leave it!” stickers on their pick up trucks and put American flag stickers on their hard hats.

They had open disdain for leftist hippy types, overt faggots, illegal immigrants, welfare moochers and cheats.

Today many (most?) have completed the transition from patriot to outright supporters of socialism and are now allied with the entire moocher class to keep the democrats in power.

Most organized labor is now more about political power than elevating the well being of American workers. Nothing illustrates the fact better than the unions transition from opposing illegal immigration to now supporting politicians who support and enable illegal immigrants. They show little concern for the fact that illegals steal jobs from Americans - their primary concern is about supporting liberal politicians who make sure the unions get favored treatment as a payback for their votes and financial support.


25 posted on 12/12/2012 9:22:56 AM PST by Iron Munro (I MISS AMERICA !)
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To: Safetgiver

You got it. It’s a way to gain power through the buck while the idiot worker thinks it’s about his well being. Slowly, the idiots are awakening.


26 posted on 12/12/2012 9:25:46 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: SeekAndFind
White House Issues Statement Condemning Union Violence, Threats in Michigan

27 posted on 12/12/2012 9:29:19 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: GOPJ
That’s why union goons don’t care if there are MORE jobs in Indiana - at higher pay - now that Indiana’s a right to work state.

Related and prior to Indiana becoming RTW - I read a story not long ago about a GM Stamping Plant on the near west side of Indianapolis. GM said they were going to close the plant, but were willing to sell the plant to another party to keep the jobs in Indianapolis. The party interested in buying the plant asked for wage concessions from the UAW so they could operate profitably. The UAW voted no and the plant was closed.

The interesting part of the story was why the UAW voted no. In short, all the employees at this plant were lifelong and aging UAW workers. They voted no, which cost Indiana and Indianapolis a ton of tax revenue, because they knew they could and planned to use their union seniority to get transferred. Their vote screwed Indiana, the prospective buyer and also screwed a fellow union "brother" out of their job because they voted with only their own interests in mind.

If Indiana had been RTW at the time, I believe they would still be stamping bus frames in Indiana.

28 posted on 12/12/2012 9:40:11 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: jimpick

That is because you are excellent at what you do. You are not mediocre or a slackard, the two types unions are designed to protect.


29 posted on 12/12/2012 9:58:30 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: vette6387

Well it would have to be foreign country’s because the Texas plant in Arlington is UAW, however in a right to work state I don’t believe they have to belong to the union. Clarification please? Sad that these folks don’t understand that GM has 11 assembly plants in China. Sure wish they would pay back the 30B the owe us.


30 posted on 12/12/2012 10:18:51 AM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: Iron Munro
Well into the 1960s and 1970s union members were for the most part staunch patriots and vocal opponents of anything that reeked of the liberal/socialist agenda.

Yes but unions were chock-full of Socialist and Communist agitators in the 1930's. They began a purge when these people became problematic for FDR and his agenda in the 40's. That process reached a conclusion during the McCarthy Hearings. Absent those events I dare say our unions would be as deep red as those in Europe.


31 posted on 12/12/2012 10:23:03 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

“Toyota is taking GM to the cleaners.”

I own a 2010 Toyota Tundra 4x4 CrewMax TRD-limited. I bought a new Tundra in 2007 and then upgraded in 2010. I love my truck and I can’t see me having any other brand. I am 64 and except for towing with my boat or traveling with our Airstream, I am a very low mileage driver. I only have 16K original miles on my truck, so it’s likely my last truck in this life..... I am glad it’s a Tundra.

If Tundra didn’t exist, I would have bought a Ford truck, but NEVER a GMC.

My Tundra was designed in Texas, made in Texas and built by non-union hands.


32 posted on 12/12/2012 10:24:31 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Jerrybob
But now with MI becoming a right to work state, I know some of my former co-workers will be standing in line all night if they have to (in the cold if they have to) to get themselves OUT of the hated UAW.

Question is, how many of them will be allowed to leave the union? I mean, the UAW knows where they all live...

33 posted on 12/12/2012 10:26:20 AM PST by COBOL2Java (GOPe: Already prepping for their 2016 loss - Jeb Bush!)
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To: GOPJ
They care if THEY have the right to skim the cream.

Re: the Hostess closing. Filtering out the usual anti-capitalist hyperbole on this site, some interesting items: (Full story HERE. )

Snippets:
Among the companies reportedly bidding for the Hostess’ assets are Flower Foods, private-equity firm Sun Capital Partners, liquidation firm Great American Group and C. Dean Metropoulos & Co., whose owner last month said that “shedding the complications of the unions and old plants makes it even more attractive.”
The players involved also include the trade unions, particularly in the Teamsters and the Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers (BCTGM), which are functioning essentially as instruments of rival private equity and hedge fund interests.
In January 2012 Hostess was back in the bankruptcy courts. With the backing of the federal judge, the company debtors demanded an eight percent wage cut, a shift of another 20 percent of health care costs onto employees and the elimination of the eight-hour day. The company also demanded the closure of another 10-12 plants. It unilaterally stopped paying its pension obligations.
The Teamsters, which is largest union at Hostess, pushed through the wage and benefit cuts over the opposition of its 6,700 workers in September. In return, the Teamsters were given seats on the Board of Directors, a 25 percent share of company stock and a $100 million claim in bankruptcy.

34 posted on 12/12/2012 11:43:26 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember when Lee Iacocca was the CEO of Chrysler in the early 80s. The union wanted to strike if they did not get the raise for which they were asking.

Iacocca’s response and I remember it very clearly, was, “I don’t have any $20 per hour jobs! I have $17 per hour jobs or I have zero jobs!”

The union took the deal.


35 posted on 12/12/2012 11:44:39 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Iron Munro
Yes. I remember seeing hardhat rally pics from the early 70's where these guys would have pro-American, anti-commie/pinko marches.
36 posted on 12/12/2012 1:04:18 PM PST by boop ("I need another Cutty Sark"-LBJ)
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