Skip to comments.Van Hollen: Boehner would give in to Obama after he wins reelection to speaker
Posted on 12/12/2012 8:41:46 AM PST by NCjim
A top Democratic leader Wednesday accused House Speaker John Boehner of stringing out "fiscal cliff" negotiations with President Obama until after he wins his speakership reelection, when he would then cave in to Democratic demands to get a deal done without a majority of House Republican support.
"I hope he wouldn't avoid the tough decisions simply to take us into January and after his swearing-in, but I've become increasingly worried that that is exactly what's going on," charged Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen.
"I would hope that he would put the interests of getting an agreement before House Republican politics," added Van Hollen during a newsmaker breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.
Suggesting that Boehner had a secret plan to dupe his caucus brought a quick response from the speaker's office. "That's nutty," said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel. "The speaker is doing everything possible to avert the fiscal cliff and protect American jobs right now. The White House just refuses to get serious about solving our country's spending problem," he added.
Twice during the breakfast, Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, suggested that Boehner is working toward a compromise Republicans will hate, one that presumably increases taxes on the rich beyond what the GOP has said it will agree to.
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No higher taxes without spending cute .
Real cuts not BS cuts.
However, your use of the future tense is odd. Are you implying Boehner hasn't caved just about every damneed time?
In other words, the pressure from conservatives is keeping Boehner from caving...yet. What does that tell you??
If true, let’s be rid of him anyway, since it seems only conservatives stand in the way of liberalism’s “forward” march, as usual.
Since the memo culling the Conservative legislators from key committees came from Majority Whip McCarthy , it is evident that the GOP leadership is more responsive to the Democrats than those faitful members of the GOP.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least ,if Boehner changed his political registration to Democrat .
When there is collusion between the Dems and GOP leadership, and then the leadership ACTS on that, ... it is time for a change !!
No higher taxes, period.
Every additional penny of taxes that gets flushed down the government toilet is an additional penny the rats get to spend on buying the votes of their party base of moochers, bums, deadbeats, and parasites. Money (including, of course, tax revenue) is fungible. Anybody who argues that new revenues will be used to (reduce the deficit / pay down the debt / fund the military / whatever...) is a lying sack of horse manure.
GIVE BONER THE BOOT!
As FRED , stated on Free Replic as 1:59 on 12/12 ~:” A House GOP source has confirmed to Breitbart News that House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy was the one who drafted the secret criteria list House Speaker John Boehner used in his purge of conservatives from House committees.
The source, someone with inside knowledge of how Boehner conducted the purge, told Breitbart News that McCarthy crafted the list, which included a scorecard of where several conservative members stood on certain votes. “
Apparently , there is no leadership in the House GOP leadership !
Give Boner the boot !
Van Hollen is running with the devil.
There is a difference between compromise and collusion !
Get rid of Boehner !
Maybe that is why Obama named his lapdog : “ Bo “
Message for Van Hollen: “Hey, *sshole! How about you get your man to show some specifics on spending cuts and structural reforms as a counter to Boehner? That’s the way a negotiation works” you blankety-blank.
Well of course that is what Boehner is doing. And, quite frankly, I don’t see any significant movement to unseat him. Are there any heroes left out there?
I believe Boehner on this one—this is nutty.
I agree, the Dims do NOT want a deal so our side had better figure out that one.
I agree, the Dims do NOT want a deal so our side had better figure out that one.
Most people trashing Boehner do not understand the difficult position he is in. They also conveniently forget that Boehner’s House on more than one occaision voted to repeal Obamacare and it all passed the the excellent reform minded Ryan budget and blueprint which would have reformed both the federal income tax code (dropping the top corporate and individual tax rates down to 25%) and entitlements, both Social Security and Medicare.
Fact is Obama is holding most of the cards. He has at least three aces in in has hand:
1) He just won re-election (yes I agree there was massive vote fraud but that doesn’t change anything) and has plenty of political capital at this time.
2) The Dems control the senate.
3) Obama’s biggest ace up his sleeve is the fact the GWB taxcuts have a FATAL FLAW-—set to expire within a decade now coming up in a few short weeks.
This third ace is his biggest luxury. Obama doesn’t give a RAT’s ass if all of the GWB taxcuts expire-—he and most of his fellow RATs NEVER liked the GWB taxcuts to begin with. Obama and the Dems WANT higher taxes and they don’t care if Defense spending takes a big hit either——you don’t have to believe me about this just ask Howard Dean. It’s true.
Obama can do whhatever he wants any time he wants. He CAN take a three week vacation at taxpayer expense to Hawaii. He can visit Martha’s Vineyard, he can go to the Hamptons. He can play golf, shoot hoops, hobnob with Beyonce, JayZ, and Clooney, he can spend time in Hollyweird and Malibu-—all the things he likes to do and sprends most of his time on in any event. It matters not, Obama doesn’t have a care in the world.
ALL of the pressure is on Boehner. Even if Boehner does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (which is what some want) ALL of the GWB taxcuts expire automatically on Jan. 1, 2013. Boehner is under tremendous pressure to preserve as much of the GWB taxrates as possible. Boehener has few cards to play. The only ace Boehner is holding is the debt ceiling. Boehner could say to Obama I will get my troops to raise the debt ceiling and fund Obamacare ONLY if the Dems agree to keep tax rates at their current level. Both sides would also agree to cut defense and entitlement spending as part of the overall package. But keep in mind all of the pressure is on Boehner right now, Obama can do what he wants and bide his time, he is not working under any timelines or deadlines and does not care if we go over the cliff or if the GWB taxcuts expire.
In school we are taught there are three branches of the federal government, the executive, the legislative, and the judiciary. On a day to day operational level, the three co-equal branches of government are the White House, the House, and the Senate. Since the Dems control two out of three, they have the upper hand. Since they just won an election (fairly or not) they have most of the capital. And the worst part of this whole mess is the structure of the GWB taxcuts designed to expire after a decade. Who’s boneheaded idea was it to make them temporary instead of permanent.
We are in a very weak position. None of our options are good. Elections matter. Instead of trashing Boehner which is easy to do, let’s at least try to understand his weak hand and terrible position. For what it is worth, I think no deal is better than a bad deal. I think no legislation is better than bad legislation. I also think the debt ceiling is Boehner’s ace in the hole if he can play it. Boehner could also prevent Obamacare from ever getting funded, he should play that card as well.
Boehner is part of the problem. Not part of the solution. It’s time for him to go.
You are not making any tough decisions Mr Van Hollen.
Cuts are where the going gets tough and leaders will have to emerge. We have no leader in the White House! Not sure if there are any in the Congress either.........
I’ve got news for Van Hollen. Boehner always caves in right on time. I am expecting him to come out boo hooing in his hanky any day now. As usual he will be sniffing and telling us its the best he could get.
If Boner is put out as speaker before caving, there MAY be stiff Republican resistance to Rat spending. A Rat win is not certain.
Most people trashing Boehner do not understand the difficult position he is in.
I take it you're okay with Boehner purging Conservatives from committee positions then, newb?
I think most conservatives could live with that compromise for now: on the condition that the taxes would only go up in the next calendar year after the fiscal year when spending went down. You do it any other way, there will always be an "emergency" or two at some time during the year.
Then again, we're so far gone that I don't think anyone really cares. They don't have a budget to cut, and they define "decreased spending" as a decrease in the rate of increase.
I'm kinda rooting for the fiscal cliff.
I call BS. That would be after the so-called cliff deadline. No, I think Boehner will cave any day now. He’s trying to ensure his reelection as speaker by bashing conservatives with a baseball bat.
The so-called pressure is all on Boehner because he is such a chump & a weasel & scared sh_tless of 0dumb0. When the demoRATs were in the minority in both the House & the Senate during the first 6 years of GWB, that did not prevent the demoRATs from effectively styming and blocking GWB & the Repubs virtually at will. As much as I hate Nancy Pelosi, I would trade for her in a heartbeat (if she were Repub) over Boner/Boehner.
All Boehner has to do is 3 things.....
1) Pass the extension of Bush era tax cuts for everyone under $250,000. That way Boehner & the Repubs can rightfully declare that they are not blocking the tax cuts for the middle class.
2) Pass the extension of the tax cuts for those above $250,000... that way the tax cuts for the upper class are not linked to the middle class tax cuts, and we know already that the Senate & 0dumb0 will reject this anyway.
3) Go home for the Christmas recess... Period. Do nothing with extending the debt ceiling by even one penny and let 0dumb0 & the RATS scream & holler about this. As you pointed out in your post, it is the only trump card or ace that Boehner is holding, but he is too scared chicken sh_t to use it. Let the debt ceiling force the spending cuts right now, rather then "reducing the growth" over the next 10 years, which is completely bogus anyway.
Did not say Boehner didn’t have a few cards to play. Perhaps the biggest card Boehner could play would be to threaten never to fund Obamacare-—Obama’s most precious achievement. And Boehner does have the debt ceiling. That all said, Obama and the Dems still hold most of the cards, the fact that the GWB taxcuts were designed to end at a certain time makes it much easier for the Dems to raise taxes without lifting a finger.....and for added effect they will blame the Republicans for allowing the GWB taxcuts to expire. You know how good the Dems are for blaming the Republicans. They blame GWB for the current economic mess. And they will blame the GOP if GWB’s tax cuts are allowed to expire. Ironic, but true.
Boehner to Biden:
Just wait until after the (speaker) election; Tell Hussein I’ll have much more flexibility then.
Oh, wait, that’s what Hussein said to Medvedev isn’t it?
The TEA Party Caucus should simply walk into Boehner’s office and tell him he’s got two choices-step down as Speaker or become Minority Leader once they resign the GOP.
Ask Michele Bachman how bad he wants to defund ACA. The President may hold three aces, but if he can't put money into the pot he loses.
Bingo, but they won’t do it, they ae politicians after all, not statesmen.