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The GOP: Not a Club for Christians
National Review Online ^ | Jonah Goldberg | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/12/2012 10:07:05 AM PST by MetaThought

In the scramble to make the GOP more diverse, a lot of people are looking at Asian Americans, whom many believe are a natural constituency for the party. I would love it if Asian Americans converted en masse to the Republican party, but the challenge for Republicans is harder than many appreciate.

President Obama did spectacularly well with Asian Americans, garnering nearly three-quarters of their vote. This runs counter to a lot of conventional wisdom on both the left and the right. On average, family income is higher and poverty is lower among Asian Americans than among non-Latino whites. Entrepreneurship, family cohesion, and traditional values all run strong among Asian Americans, and reliance on government runs weak.

And yet Asian Americans — now the fastest-growing minority in America — are rapidly becoming a core constituency of the Democratic party.

I’ve joked for years with my Indian-American relatives and friends that they are the new Jews because their parents bury them in guilt and overeducate them. It turns out it doesn’t end there. Sociologist Milton Himmelfarb observed that “Jews earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans.” Well, Indian Americans earn like Jews and . . . vote like Jews.

And maybe for similar reasons. The comparison to Jews is instructive. Perhaps the most common explanation for the GOP’s problem with Asian Americans is the party’s pronounced embrace of Christianity, which turns off many Jews as well.

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1 posted on 12/12/2012 10:07:09 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought

Not a club for winners either.


2 posted on 12/12/2012 10:15:48 AM PST by TADSLOS (No need to watch the movie "Idiocracy". We're living it.)
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To: MetaThought; Kaslin

This article is already posted

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2967968/posts


3 posted on 12/12/2012 10:19:01 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: MetaThought

I used to think that the GOP would save America, but now it is apparent that the GOP has been the largest component that have really destroyed America. America is destroyed and may never come back to a conservative Constitutional land. We are now completely controlled by the communists with King Obama at the head. Debate that? Name one thing conservative Americans can do to stop the complete conversion.


4 posted on 12/12/2012 10:19:09 AM PST by Logical me
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To: TADSLOS
Not a club for winners either.

....or Conservatives, for that matter.

5 posted on 12/12/2012 10:27:34 AM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN...............a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: MetaThought

“.... among non-Latino whites.....”

What the hell is that??

Now I am no longer white, instead I am a non-Latino white????? WTF....


6 posted on 12/12/2012 10:59:58 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Edify:

four hour guideline

7 posted on 12/12/2012 11:08:50 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: MetaThought
"...party’s pronounced embrace of Christianity"

That is so bogus, that it defies logic. The GOP is "embracing" FREEDOM of religion, not 'a' religion. Not sure where this person gets the idea that a specific religion (Christianity) is being "embraced" here. I suppose that's why the GOP strongly supports "JEWS" in Israel?

8 posted on 12/12/2012 11:16:13 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: MetaThought

The Lord’s kingdom is not of this world. Government is merely a remedial brake on fallen man, ideally holding society in check until His return, and allowing man to live and CHOOSE.

And after that, the Judgment.


9 posted on 12/12/2012 11:50:26 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: MetaThought

The GOP is an irrelevant club. Christians can do better.


10 posted on 12/12/2012 11:52:08 AM PST by pallis
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To: MetaThought

Well, that’s fine. Us Christians can leave and go elsewhere. Good luck winning elections with your Jew and Hindu friends who always vote socialist anyway.


11 posted on 12/12/2012 12:35:28 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: avenir

At the end of the day, it is Psalm 2 for all the conspiracies of Man.


12 posted on 12/12/2012 1:18:12 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Boogieman

You’re saying that you don’t want to be in the GOP if it’s not a Christian party?

You would rather lose than take a chance on being welcoming towards people who aren’t Christian.

Is that right?
What *are* you saying?


13 posted on 12/12/2012 6:16:47 PM PST by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought

party’s pronounced embrace of Christianity
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The GOP is not embracing Christianity...

Thery chose a Mormon for their nominee...

The ultimate anti-Christian...


14 posted on 12/12/2012 7:41:48 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Psalm 144

One of my favorite Psalms.


15 posted on 12/12/2012 10:11:02 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: MetaThought

“You’re saying that you don’t want to be in the GOP if it’s not a Christian party?”

The GOP isn’t a Christian party to begin with, so the whole premise is a red herring. The real implication is that we need to distance ourselves from social issues of importance to Christians, in order to be more “welcoming” towards some elusive groups of voters who would never vote loyally for us anyway. I’m saying, you are going to alienate Christians with that approach and it will be doubly counterproductive. You won’t gain the votes you hope to gain, and you will lose votes you already have.


16 posted on 12/13/2012 7:54:31 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
I'm guessing you didn't read the article or decline to address the issues within.

“Whenever a Gujarati or Sikh businessman comes to a Republican event, it begins with an appeal to Jesus Christ,” conservative writer Dinesh D’Souza recently told The New York Times Magazine. “While the Democrats are really good at making the outsider feel at home, the Republicans make little or no effort.”

My friend and colleague Ramesh Ponnuru, an Indian American and devout Catholic, says the GOP has a problem with seeming like a “club for Christians.”

That rings true to me. I’ve attended dozens of conservative events where, as the speaker, I was, in effect, the guest of honor, and yet the opening invocation made no account of the fact that the guest of honor wasn’t a Christian. I’ve never taken offense, but I can imagine how it might seem to someone who felt like he was even less a part of the club.

Would you like to respond to the actual article?

17 posted on 12/13/2012 8:11:43 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: LibFreeUSA
Would you mind reading/responding to the section quoted in my post #17
18 posted on 12/13/2012 8:19:49 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: Boogieman
Goldberg isn't referring to social issues at all, he's talking about GOP culture.
19 posted on 12/13/2012 8:21:58 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought

Like I said, that’s a red herring. Anyone who is refusing to vote for the GOP because Jesus gets mentioned at some fundraiser, is not going to vote loyally for us anyway. So, I can only assume Goldberg is trying, like the rest of the GOP guys, to find another excuse to sell out on social issues.


20 posted on 12/13/2012 8:39:03 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

It’s not that people don’t vote for the GOP because of the religious overtones.

It’s that people come away with the impression that they’re not welcome in the GOP because of their religious bent. Then they are welcomed elsewhere and their voting choices follow from that.

A lot of conservatives don’t seem to understand that voting decisions aren’t always rational and can flow from cultural affiliation.


21 posted on 12/13/2012 8:56:04 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought

What’s there to respond to? He doesn’t even cite a single person who refuses to vote for the GOP because of some Christian-centric atmosphere. It’s all speculative fearmongering.


22 posted on 12/13/2012 9:00:14 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: MetaThought

“A lot of conservatives don’t seem to understand that voting decisions aren’t always rational and can flow from cultural affiliation.”

So what? That argument cuts both ways. There are plenty of Christians who vote for the GOP for less than rational reasons as well, which is why the party is pandering to them in the first place. It really doesn’t make any electoral sense to drop that and instead pander to a minority who shows no tendency to be loyal to our party’s values or goals.


23 posted on 12/13/2012 9:08:24 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: MetaThought
In the scramble to make the GOP more diverse

Is that the same as saying less white?

24 posted on 12/13/2012 9:16:36 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.
Is that the same as saying less white?

And less Chrstian and more third world.

25 posted on 12/13/2012 9:25:24 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Boogieman
Are you saying that it's impossible to pander to Christians and welcome (not pander to) minorities at the same time?

You can't ask that people just coming in the door to be loyal to "our values and goals", because that just doesn't make sense. One thing is certain, Democrats will never support our values and goals.

26 posted on 12/13/2012 9:46:54 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought

Yes. I have to agree then, because I want to make sure that we bring people together based on ‘political’ ideology that is backed up by our constitutional principles. I am a practicing conservative Catholic.


27 posted on 12/13/2012 11:02:46 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: MetaThought

“Are you saying that it’s impossible to pander to Christians and welcome (not pander to) minorities at the same time?”

No, but that seems to be what Goldberg’s saying. His whole thesis is that pandering to Christians makes some mythical voting bloc too uncomfortable to vote for us, so we should stop pandering to them. If that’s not what he’s saying, then I can’t figure out what his point is.

“You can’t ask that people just coming in the door to be loyal to “our values and goals”, because that just doesn’t make sense.”

Well, what people are we talking about here? Do you know of some demographic that is likely to become aligned with us that is just turned off by mention of God or Jesus? Goldberg can’t specifically name that group, or even find one representative individual to interview, and I can’t recall ever meeting such a person either.

The only people I know who are that turned off by such Christian displays that it might change their political alignment, well, they are all dyed in the wool socialists to begin with. They’re certainly not going to come to our side because of some overtures like this, and I wouldn’t want them on my side anyway.


28 posted on 12/13/2012 12:02:11 PM PST by Boogieman
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