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1 posted on 12/12/2012 10:16:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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If Democrats refuse, then Paul wants the House to hold a vote on the Democratic plan, with Republicans voting "present" to allow Democrats to pass the bill. That way, the economic damage from tax hikes will be totally owned by Democrats, and Republicans will have kept their hands clean:

How long has Rand Paul been in the Senate? If this passes the House, the media will pin any blame on the GOP and damn the vote.

The Tea Party put the GOP back in charge in the House to stop this nonsense, not play games with it.

2 posted on 12/12/2012 10:19:51 AM PST by dirtboy
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I actually agree.

No way make it Boner bi-partisan.

Let them take the hits all by themselves. If it is inevitable, do not contribute a single vote.

bobo


4 posted on 12/12/2012 10:39:49 AM PST by bobo1
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To: SeekAndFind

They should, but Bonehead wont allow it.
Bonehead loves Grand Bargains, no matter how bad.


5 posted on 12/12/2012 10:44:42 AM PST by tennmountainman
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Rand Paul is a traitor. Rolling over is NOT leadership. If other Americans had been Paulie Pussies:

“Don’t retreat until you see the whites of their eyes” - General William Prescott, at the Battle of Bunker Hill in 1775.

“I only regret that I have but one life, so please don’t hang me. I like the British” - Nathan Hale

“Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by harshly worded condemnations.” - Gen. George S. Patton


6 posted on 12/12/2012 10:46:34 AM PST by kidd
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To: SeekAndFind

Rand is Right !


7 posted on 12/12/2012 10:54:49 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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Only problem with the plan is that democrats know that the liberal media will never place the blame on them for anything and if the most recent election has taught us anything it’s that a majority of voters have lost any concept of critical thinking and will swallow what the media spoon feeds them without question.


9 posted on 12/12/2012 10:55:34 AM PST by apillar
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To: SeekAndFind

Wrong answer Rand. Don’t try to get cute. Just vote “No” when the question is raising taxes.


10 posted on 12/12/2012 10:56:08 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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I’m not sure Rand Paul is entirely serious about this, but it does suggest a strategy that should be front and center for the GOP. Make Obama own it. With the media as a part of his administration, it will take effort and consistent messaging to do it. Make him own it. Giving him his way and voting present is over the top, but the idea of consistently pinning it on him is vital. I’m not expecting that kind of high level strategy from the leadership of The Stupid Party, but I can dream.


11 posted on 12/12/2012 11:05:53 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
RE :”Are higher taxes inevitable? If they are, Senator Rand Paul wants no Republican fingerprints on them. Last night, he told Greta van Susteren on Fox News that House Republicans should pass a bill with their specific plan to cut spending and fix the tax code to address the fiscal-cliff issues, and dare the Senate to take it up. If Democrats refuse, then Paul wants the House to hold a vote on the Democratic plan, with Republicans voting “present” to allow Democrats to pass the bill. That way, the economic damage from tax hikes will be totally owned by Democrats, and Republicans will have kept their hands clean:”

The Senate already passed a bill extending part of the tax cuts (rates), even though technically the constitution requires all tax bills to originate in the House.

Why should House Republicans put up a bill they are clearly against and then vote present?

I still think the cleanest idea is to pass two bills, one below $250K and one above $250K, the Senate will drop the second one and then Republicans blame the Dems for raising those taxes.

Say Dems respond with “ We didnt raise the taxes on the rich, those were automatic (to go up.)"
Who would accept this? Dems ran front and square on raising those taxes in fact O is back campaigning on it again after winning re-election on it.

Why would that one trick work better with House Republicans own party base than my idea?

12 posted on 12/12/2012 11:09:27 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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If Democrats refuse, then Paul wants the House to hold a vote on the Democratic plan, with Republicans voting "present" to allow Democrats to pass the bill.

What a perfectly Republican notion. Sell out your country by inaction.

14 posted on 12/12/2012 11:19:45 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Obamacare is the socialist cancer of the New Deal metastasized.)
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You cannot permit or let evil happen to bring about a greater good. That is God’s domain. We must fight against the lefts’ insistence on the breaking of the 7th and 10th commandments.


15 posted on 12/12/2012 11:34:09 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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I absolutely agree. In November, the electorate made a stupid and damaging choice. They chose socialism. I didn't choose it, you didn't choose it, but sadly a growing block of voters chose it and will continue to choose it so long as this slow collapse continues.

By obstructing, voting no, or even voting yes, we are providing an avenue for capitalism to be blamed when all comes crashing down. So long as capitalism can be blamed, socialism will continue its choke-hold.

I do not believe the power of good arguments or a sound philosophy is enough to convince people to choose the right path anymore. As long as we continue to receive checks, we will do what we are told and cast blame on capitalism for every consequence.

I believe it will take getting to a point where the checks are simply impossible to write before the American people fully realize what we have done. It will be even more painful for those of us who cherish our dwindling liberty and the fundamental principles on which our country was founded.

As we are picking up the pieces in the aftermath, we must let there be no doubt that socialism, liberalism, progressivism were the evil that caused the collapse.

Politicians should prepare their constituents. They should let them know that the only remaining way to expose Obama's philosophy for the failure it is, is to allow it to be viewed in its full "glory".

It will not be easy to promote this or follow through with this strategy. It will take true leadership to abstain.

This fight goes beyond which party is to blame, which party wins, or which party loses. It boils down the the base concept that capitalism and personal liberty are the only true path to prosperity. The inevitable abject failure of socialism is the only thing we have left to convince them of that.
16 posted on 12/12/2012 11:36:25 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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Maybe they should vote “obama” and turn it into a word meaning empty, vacuous, inconsequential as in “Just pick an obama chair anywhere.”
18 posted on 12/12/2012 11:53:16 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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"Present"?!?

"Present"?!?

Didn't we endless harangue the "O" for this spineless tactic? What, congressman, you haven't had the time to make up your mind one way or the other? "Gee, it's just so complicated..." If you oppose it, vote "NO" on the record.
19 posted on 12/12/2012 11:55:39 AM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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Rand Paul is done.

This is inexcusable in my mind. It’s one thing to give a lost cause but it’s another thing to make a stupid assumption like the GOP won’t get blamed anyway.

Sure let Obama have more money to buy more votes - that will work great Rand... you ding dong.

If this is the thinking up on the hill by conservatives we are done.


20 posted on 12/12/2012 12:05:50 PM PST by mike_9958
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I hate to be the one to break it to him, but Republicans have rolled over for the Democrats for four years now, and for their lack of resistance, the Democrats have just grown stronger, and the destruction they have wrought is far worse.

“Moral victory” just means you got your butt stomped. Nobody cares about or will remember those who quit instead of fight.


22 posted on 12/12/2012 12:31:49 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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Not a bad idea.


31 posted on 12/12/2012 5:16:20 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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