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Colorado River seen as depleting regional resource
Yahoo News ^ | December 12, 2012 | KEN RITTER | Associated Press

Posted on 12/12/2012 4:21:46 PM PST by Uncle Chip

LAS VEGAS (AP) — The federal government isn't going to tap the Missouri River to slake the thirst of a drought-parched Southwest, the government's top water official said Wednesday.

But rising demand and falling supply have water managers in the arid West considering a host of other options to deal with dire projections that the Colorado River — the main water supply for a region larger than the country of France — won't be able over the next 50 years to meet demands of a regional population now about 40 million and growing.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar issued what he termed "a call to action" with a three-year study of the river, its flows and its ability to meet the future needs of city-dwellers, Native Americans, businesses, ranchers and farmers in seven Western states.

"We are in a troubling trajectory in the Colorado River basin, as well as the Rio Grande basin," Salazar told reporters on a conference call outlining the math in the findings of the Colorado River Basin Water Supply and Demand Study.

Salazar, who oversees water managers and dam operators at the federal Bureau of Reclamation, dismissed as politically and technically impractical some ideas in the study, including piping water from the nation's heartland or towing Arctic icebergs south to help such thirsty U.S. cities as Denver, Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Phoenix. He said he wanted to focus instead on "solutions that are out there that will help us."

"There is no one solution that is going to meet the needs of this challenge," Salazar said. "We need to reduce our demand through conservation. We also need to augment supply with practical measures."

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1 posted on 12/12/2012 4:21:58 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

allocate the water to the Indian tribes and cut off the supply to Tucson...


2 posted on 12/12/2012 4:24:30 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Uncle Chip

Obama practical measures...

Low flow toilets.
Mandatory low flow toilets.
Shower with a friend.
Shower with strangers.
Mandatory shower with strangers.
Sponge baths.
Mandatory sp well you see where it goes.

Those with enough water are not paying their fair share etc.


3 posted on 12/12/2012 4:30:14 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

I tip my full glass of water (over) in your honor.


4 posted on 12/12/2012 4:32:27 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: Uncle Chip
Salazar seems to wreck everything he touches. I suspect a federal takaway form those that own the water rights.
5 posted on 12/12/2012 4:37:03 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Water, the ‘blue gold’

resource wars coming


6 posted on 12/12/2012 4:38:30 PM PST by onona (tapping fingers)
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To: tet68

Does it end with city dwellers being taken by cattle car trains to their last shower?


7 posted on 12/12/2012 4:39:02 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: null and void

Usually, then there is no water and the soap is made out
of stone.

Maybe he’ll fix it so we can drink all we want but have
to recycle our urine to the colorado river basin.


8 posted on 12/12/2012 4:47:16 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Uncle Chip
technically impractical some ideas in the study, including piping water from the nation's heartland or towing Arctic icebergs south to help such thirsty U.S. cities as Denver, Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Phoenix.

Who had the idea of towing ice bergs to those cities? Congressman Hank (Guam might tip over) Johnson?

9 posted on 12/12/2012 4:47:59 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: ptsal

They need to tap the swimming pools of all the homeowners from Palm Springs to Orange County. There’s got to be enough water there to slake the thirsts of Phoenicians for 10 years or more.


10 posted on 12/12/2012 4:52:21 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: mountainlion

Salazar was 100% for illegal immigration as a Colorado politician. Now he wants to steal Colorado water so ‘his’ people in SoCal can have plenty.


11 posted on 12/12/2012 4:54:11 PM PST by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: Graybeard58
That wasn't even the worst of it. There were more:

Salazar bluntly dismissed proposals like the multi-billion dollar pipeline running some 670 miles from the Missouri River to Colorado. Tapping the Mississippi, Green, Bear, Snake, Yellowstone and Columbia rivers also made a list of options that Bureau of Reclamation spokesman Kip White said weren't currently getting serious consideration.

12 posted on 12/12/2012 4:57:10 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

What they should do is quit allowing the Platte River (Nebraska) to flow into the Missouri River and instead drill some large boreholes along it and pump that water into the ground to replenish the Ogallala Aquifer.


13 posted on 12/12/2012 5:01:12 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: tet68

Simple, just build a dam across the south end of the Grand Canyon and let it fill up! Problem solved!..........


14 posted on 12/12/2012 5:03:02 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: null and void

No, probably ranchers, farmers and mines that own water rights that the government needs.


15 posted on 12/12/2012 5:04:14 PM PST by tiki
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To: tet68

close the bellagio and every other casino on the strip


16 posted on 12/12/2012 5:08:40 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert

No, just turn the water off.

I ‘m just surprised this administration hasn’t decided
to tow icebergs down from the artic before they all
melt from globull warming.


17 posted on 12/12/2012 5:11:34 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“We need to reduce our demand through conservation”

Key sentence. They will use this to as yet another opportunity to make us live with less freedom and growth


18 posted on 12/12/2012 5:17:10 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Uncle Chip

Eliminating residential swimming pools is probably the smartest suggestion of all and certainly easily doable without spending any tax money. Why aren’t you in Washington?


19 posted on 12/12/2012 5:19:10 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: mountainlion
I suspect a federal takaway form those that own the water rights.

Probably in the future and problems with who has precedence in water allocation. I believe that the root of the problem is in water allocations from before 1950 that used the prior 20 years average flow. Unfortunately studies have since estimated that they managed to use the wettest 30 year period in the last thousand.

20 posted on 12/12/2012 5:21:46 PM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: Graybeard58
Who had the idea of towing ice bergs to those cities? Congressman Hank (Guam might tip over) Johnson?

IIRC the idea was first floated (sorry) in the 1970's by Georges Mougin

21 posted on 12/12/2012 5:23:27 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: DuncanWaring
Ogallala does not underlie the southwest. The water situation in the southwest is a real problem, and will not go away. I lived in Arizona in the seventies, and water scarcity was a growing problem even then. The Central Arizona Project helped but won't be a permanent solution. I know Salazar is a jerk but he is right to draw attention to the problem.
22 posted on 12/12/2012 5:28:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Uncle Chip
A few things come to mind:

Put a top on the Central Arizona Project;
it evaporates more than its worth.

Put an end to public water fountains
displays in the Phoenix area.

If anyone cares the Colorado River Compact
originally set in stone more million-acre feet per
annum than has ever been measured in the last ninety years


23 posted on 12/12/2012 5:50:04 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Red Badger

Haven’t they already done that???


24 posted on 12/12/2012 6:14:12 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

how ‘bout a big a$$ dam (BAD) on the /Colorado Utah Border?

There - Colorado river solves Colorado’s issue.

Remember, a shovel upstream beats a water right downstream.....


25 posted on 12/12/2012 6:14:57 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: tet68

How would they get those icebergs into Arizona???


26 posted on 12/12/2012 6:20:01 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: redlegplanner
how ‘bout a big a$$ dam (BAD) on the /Colorado Utah Border?

They've had that for 70 years -- it's called the Hoover Dam.

27 posted on 12/12/2012 6:24:34 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

No, isnt Hoover Dam on the north side?......


28 posted on 12/12/2012 6:25:48 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: redlegplanner
how ‘bout a big a$$ dam (BAD) on the /Colorado Utah Border?

There - Colorado river solves Colorado’s issue.

Remember, a shovel upstream beats a water right downstream.....

You would have to first review the
Colorado River Compact(1922) and the
Colorado Constitution ( first in Time,
first in Right in water rights)

29 posted on 12/12/2012 6:34:38 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The world doesn’t have a shortage of water; it’s just that the water is in the wrong places for some people. If water in arid regions gets scarce and/or expensive enough, sooner or later it will be cost feasible to build huge pipelines from Canada — not from oil fields, but from polar ice which is melting due to global warming — or, so we are told, and told, and told again.


30 posted on 12/12/2012 6:35:48 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina ("Better be wise by the misfortunes of others than by your own." -- Aesop)
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To: Red Badger

Ohhhh — you mean on the part of the river that flows north — never thought of that.


31 posted on 12/12/2012 6:35:59 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Yep — the Romans did it. And LA would still be be a desert without the water from Mammoth Lakes.


32 posted on 12/12/2012 6:40:18 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Interesting. In 1977 I took a geography class at the University of Tennessee that focused on the Colorado River basin. We studied the supply, the allocation, and especially the effects of the decisions that had been made. Basically, the problem is that the water measurements made for the initial allocation to states was made during an extremely wet period, so more water was allocated than was available. Obviously, if the upstream state takes its allocation, the downstream state has to deal with the shortage. According to the class, the Hoover Dam actually reduces the water available because (a) more evaporates, and (b) a lot of water soaks into the limestone canyons. Another project resulted in the Salton Sea when a diversion dam failed and water spilled outside of the river channel. Basically, every decision to make the situation better seemed to make it worse. I remember the instructor commenting late in the term that the solution was probably to do nothing and let nature and economics take its course. When water starts costing $1500 per month, people will quit moving there. Meanwhile, the calamity existed about 35 years ago, so there shouldn’t be any surprises that it is still happening. The course was one of the best electives I ever took.


33 posted on 12/12/2012 6:41:15 PM PST by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: Uncle Chip
how ‘bout a big a$$ dam (BAD) on the /Colorado Utah Border?

"They've had that for 70 years -- it's called the Hoover Dam."

That particular dam, I believe, is called the Glen Canyon Dam.

34 posted on 12/12/2012 6:43:23 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Uncle Chip
how ‘bout a big a$$ dam (BAD) on the /Colorado Utah Border?

"They've had that for 70 years -- it's called the Hoover Dam."

That particular dam, I believe, is called the Glen Canyon Dam.

35 posted on 12/12/2012 6:43:23 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

It is crazy to see all the water in all those canals flowing through a 110 degree Arizona desert just so those fairways in Scottsdale can stay green.

Used to be that doctors would advise their respiratory care patients to move to Phoenix for the dry heat. Now with all the canals and pools and watering holes in that city the humidity approaches that of St Louis.


36 posted on 12/12/2012 6:45:15 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
You are right.

I was appalled at the direction Arizona
has taken in the last fifty years.


37 posted on 12/12/2012 7:00:19 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Well,

The vast majority of those green golf courses are irrigated with gray water. There’s not many places on earth that use, re-use, and re-use again a drop of water as effectively as Phoenix does. Please don’t buy into the BS. Salazar will make people who happen to live in Scottsdale or Phoenix right on par with those nasty smokers and gun owners,while you cheer him on without knowing his true intentions. Did you notice that the enemy he’s describing happen to be southwest RED states. I say pipe the water in from anywhere you can find it, we’re Americans and the land doesn’t rule us, we rule the land. Just let me live in freedom.


38 posted on 12/12/2012 7:07:41 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Greenpees

That’s a nice philosophy but history of the West tells us that water rules the land not vice versa. And the problem is that all the Red States out West and in the Midwest are getting short of water.


39 posted on 12/12/2012 7:22:09 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: okie01
Glen Cyn Dam holds Lake Powel, which is on the Utah/Arizona border. The BAD proposed here would not let water leave the state of Colorado, which is upstream from Lake Powel.
40 posted on 12/12/2012 7:28:40 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: Uncle Chip

The only solution is Agenda 21. Read Glenn Beck’s latest book by that name for a realistic portrayal how that will work out.


41 posted on 12/12/2012 7:36:03 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Buy a US Govt Railpass to visit Obamavilles in all 57 states on the Intercontinental Railroad)
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To: Uncle Chip

The best first thing to do is to keep Salazar the hell away from it.


42 posted on 12/12/2012 7:42:22 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Uncle Chip
Phoenix for the dry heat. Now with all the canals and pools and watering holes in that city the humidity approaches that of St Louis.

I don't know what you've been smoking but it's legal now in AZ with a prescription.

43 posted on 12/12/2012 7:53:53 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Uncle Chip

CHIP,

This is a problem of engineering, not history. Where should these millions of people go? Even the Romans could master remote water supplies, and that was thousands of years ago. I think it would be far cheaper to solve the supply problem than it would be to relocate millions of people. (not that you’re suggesting that, but what are you suggesting?) Should we be taxed higher? Should I not be allowed to golf? Perhaps no plant life in the yard? My kids should never enjoy a pool? Limit my HVAC usage? Let me ask you, what does your particular region lack in natural resources? I am willing to pay the rates required to keep the supply going. Scottsdale is where I live. If they need to build a pipeline, that should be part of or bill instead of half of our police department being paid from that coffer, but moving to Colorado or Mississippi is out of the question.


44 posted on 12/12/2012 8:14:36 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Uncle Chip

wrong border...


45 posted on 12/12/2012 9:12:29 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

in my limited understanding, colorado is authorized ~ 3.86 Million acre feet, but usually takes only ~ 2 million acre feet. Thus, the state could just about double its take within the compact. California has been getting a lot of free water - that may be ending.


46 posted on 12/12/2012 9:17:21 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: redlegplanner

That would explain this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2058828/posts

and it ain’t gonna be even as cheap as piping water in from hundreds miles away.


47 posted on 12/12/2012 10:22:32 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

They would have to build a canal, think shovel ready
jobs.


48 posted on 12/12/2012 10:23:54 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Greenpees

That’s all fine and well but what happens when there is no further supply to pipe in. In years past it might have been just a matter of raising rates and building another canal or pipeline, but what happens when there is no supply to build the pipeline to. The people who live in Washington, Montana, Idaho, Nebraska, Colorado,.... especially in drought years may want to keep their water in state so they can play golf and fish and grow crops and boating. They may not want to sell it to Arizona at any price.


49 posted on 12/12/2012 11:36:26 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Ken Salazar just made a marine wilderness or some such in one of the bluest parts of CA and I’m sure that he cares less about AZ than he does Marin County CA, which is full of rich Obama donors. Check out what he just did with the oyster company on Drake’s Bay. Took their 100 year old business using false science as a basis.
I’m sure Scottsdale is a much holier place for the enviros than the bay, don’t ya think?


50 posted on 12/13/2012 1:03:01 AM PST by tinamina
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