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Time for New Car Golf TDI? Freeper Input Appreciated!
12.12.12 | Chickensoup

Posted on 12/12/2012 6:02:23 PM PST by Chickensoup

Time for another motor in the house. Last vehicle I bought I ran by the Freeper Auto-Guys and it worked great. Time for a different kind of transportation.

Looking at a new two or four door Golf TDI in Red with manual transmission. No sunroof, no nav package.

Test drove it twice and like the manual transmission. Dealer giving 300K warranty with serviceing Q10K at dealership. Your thoughts.


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Time for another motor in the house. Last vehicle I bought I ran by the Freeper Auto-Guys and it worked great. Time for a different kind of transportation.

Looking at a new two or four door Golf TDI in Red with manual transmission. No sunroof, no nav package.

Test drove it twice and like the manual transmission. Dealer giving 300K warranty with serviceing Q10K at dealership. Your thoughts.

I consider FR my husband without the belching or dirty socks on the floor.

1 posted on 12/12/2012 6:02:28 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup

What’s the point? YOu’d only get to drive it for another
9 days.

Series, sounds like a good deal can you afford the payements
easily??


2 posted on 12/12/2012 6:05:44 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

I think so, I will put a chunk down. It is more expensive that the other cars that look like it.

I originally thought of the two door, but the more I look at it I think that I put things in the back seat quite a bit in the Xterra.


3 posted on 12/12/2012 6:09:47 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup

I signed up on “Fred’s TDI” page at “tdiclub.com” many years ago, just to get information on the TDI Passat. I think you should at least visit there to learn more. The users even have a big in-person shindig every so often, not too unlike what Saturn or Harley owners do, minus the factory.

Fred’s own goal was to get a TDI Golf when they eventually came out. He also expected to marry his girlfriend, it appeared, at the time.

I think he only successfully got his Golf. :-)

TDIs are a solid choice, but beware the loss of oil between changes that seems to happen for some.


4 posted on 12/12/2012 6:11:28 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: tet68

I plan on driving it for years and years and years.

I dont like the level of electronics on the car, though.


5 posted on 12/12/2012 6:11:49 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup

My cars don’t have electronics.


6 posted on 12/12/2012 6:14:24 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ConservativeMind

They have a club? I will check it out. Maybe Fred’s still single?!


7 posted on 12/12/2012 6:14:47 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: tet68

My cars don’t have electronics.

_________________________________

If I could manage car-guts, I wouldnt be buying this car. I would be buying an 1986 SAAB.


8 posted on 12/12/2012 6:16:51 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup
The VW TDI cars tend to get better highway mpg than rated. Not uncommon to hear of low fifties if driven gently over longer distances.

If you drive a great deal over longer distances, that is the argument in favor of it. Even with the higher price per gallon it pays out.

You'll want to research reliability as well as repair costs. Look very closely at the warranty to make sure you understand exactly what is covered and what expectations are upon you as far as maintaining warranty coverage. Keep records of all routine maintenance and don't blow past the recommended service intervals, if you want to be sure a costly repair will be covered with no arguments.

They're fairly expensive to repair, is my impression. The urea in the emission control system has to be replaced periodically and can be expensive too, I understand. At least it was when I last looked into it, I was interested in a Jetta TDI wagon a little over two years ago.

Not trying to scare you off, just want to make certain you go into it knowing what's what.

What sort of deal are you getting on price, If I might ask?

9 posted on 12/12/2012 6:17:51 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Chickensoup

I have an Audi TDI and love it. You can’t go wrong with diesel.


10 posted on 12/12/2012 6:18:58 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: Chickensoup

I liked my 2004 TDI a lot . . . right up until it ate some teeth of a cam belt, jumped time and ate a valve. All at 148000 miles. Leather heated seats, nice tires, good shape, all became junkyard trash in an instant. The cost of repairing it outweighed any benefit. It will be parted out or crushed this spring.

BTW, car was well maintained. The cam belt had been changed as recommended about 20K before. No indications of trouble until it stopped suddenly.

Oldplayer


11 posted on 12/12/2012 6:21:00 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: RegulatorCountry

I think we could look at 23K for 2 door


12 posted on 12/12/2012 6:21:30 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: AdaGray

Good to know. Audis handle well.

I was pleasantly surprised with the Golf’s handling.


13 posted on 12/12/2012 6:22:28 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: oldplayer

I liked my 2004 TDI a lot . . . right up until it ate some teeth of a cam belt, jumped time and ate a valve. All at 148000 miles. Leather heated seats, nice tires, good shape, all became junkyard trash in an instant. The cost of repairing it outweighed any benefit. It will be parted out or crushed this spring.

BTW, car was well maintained. The cam belt had been changed as recommended about 20K before. No indications of trouble until it stopped suddenly.

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It was a Golf? Wow. Lousy installation?


14 posted on 12/12/2012 6:24:41 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup

Sounds a little steep. That’s the price I was looking at for a Jetta TDI wagon with leather and panoramic sunroof two years ago. It wasn’t brand new but almost new, 6k miles and current model year.

Shop around on Autotrader.com or similar for an equivalent car and see what pops up. You can search the whole country if you want.


15 posted on 12/12/2012 6:26:13 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Lowest was 23K and it was far far away


16 posted on 12/12/2012 6:36:43 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup
Can't say anything specifically about the TDI and I don't know how familiar you are with diesels but I'm on my second one and I love them both.I'll never again drive anything else.I've read that it's not difficult with TDI’s to get 1000 highway miles on one tankful.
17 posted on 12/12/2012 6:39:57 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

That is one reason I am looking at the golf. I want a car that gets milage.


18 posted on 12/12/2012 6:42:25 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup

You may be right, quick search turned up one 2012 with less than 10k miles, pretty loaded up with the exception of leather and sunroof, price just shy of $22k. Black over black, located in Warwick, Rhode Island. Dealership is Balise Volkswagen.


19 posted on 12/12/2012 6:44:15 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Chickensoup
I dont like the level of electronics on the car, though.

Me neither.

Get a deal on a mint condition older model that you like (electronics) and have your VW guru put a new TDI engine in it.

Maybe you could get lucky and find one with a bad engine for a song.

20 posted on 12/12/2012 6:45:07 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Chickensoup
Around 2007, I went to The Netherlands and Belgium for a week or so. I had a rented Golf II Tdi. I think it was a four door. I got a consistent 44 mpg combined freeway/highway and Medieval towns, like Bruge. Ran like a top. I was raving about it for weeks after, but living in California, diesel is evil, so until recently, you couldn't buy a Tdi here.

If they are giving a 300K warranty - it's a no brainer.

Per the poster with the failed timing belt - make sure the warranty covers that and the engine.

21 posted on 12/12/2012 6:45:39 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: RegulatorCountry

The DEF urea (aka “cow piss” to industry insiders) is about 12 bucks a gallon at WM. Similar to motor oil prices.

On big rigs it is consumed at about 2% rate of the diesel fuel consumed. Not sure about the VW.


22 posted on 12/12/2012 6:48:23 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Chickensoup

VW/Audi has won the 24 Hours of LeMans almost every time in the last ten years, usually with TDI technology.

In Europe about 50% of new passenger vehicles are diesels.

That ain’t the case for Chebby Volt American technology.

I would look at a Prius in comparison to the diesel VWs.


23 posted on 12/12/2012 6:50:10 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: oldplayer; Chickensoup
It will be parted out or crushed this spring.

Whoa whoa whoa!

You can get a long block for around 3K.

There's your car Chicken.

24 posted on 12/12/2012 6:52:04 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: muleskinner

Everything is TDI overseas, I really wanted a subaru TDI like is sold in England. But our air standards are too high and they cannot be sold here.


25 posted on 12/12/2012 6:55:03 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Get a deal on a mint condition older model that you like (electronics) and have your VW guru put a new TDI engine in it.

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I have no guru except FR.


26 posted on 12/12/2012 6:57:02 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: truth_seeker

I would look at a Prius in comparison to the diesel VWs.

_________________________________

If I looked at a Prius, my son would disown me.

Besides I understand that Prius owners are least likely to buy another Prius. I wonder why?


27 posted on 12/12/2012 6:59:54 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Hey Chicken-of-the Sea!

What is a long block?

Best,

Chicken of the Soup


28 posted on 12/12/2012 7:01:44 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup
The USEPA is very anti-diesel.

They made the standards so rigorous they pretty much forced the manufacturers to kill most of the diesel efficiency advantage over gas.

Factor in the cost penalty for diesel fuel, likely higher maintenance and repair costs, and the "regulators" have pretty much succeeded.

29 posted on 12/12/2012 7:05:14 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

The EPA is the enemy.


30 posted on 12/12/2012 7:07:59 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup
What is a long block?

It's a new engine

31 posted on 12/12/2012 7:08:07 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Chickensoup

I bought a 2dr 2012 Golf TDI a few months ago. I’ve owned diesels for the past thirty years and this is my fifth VW diesel.

They hold their value very well so I think it makes much more sense to buy a new one, especially if you plan on holding on to it for a while.

Mine is also a manual which I would much rather have over the DSG transmission.

I enjoy it. Drives nice. Great torque. Best mpg so far is 44. I’m sure I can get near 50 if I would only drive 55 but just can’t do that :)


32 posted on 12/12/2012 7:09:53 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Thank you. What color did you get?


33 posted on 12/12/2012 7:13:22 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER; oldplayer

How much does it cost to install an engine?


34 posted on 12/12/2012 7:14:19 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup
HI cs...

FOUR DOOR ONLY! Don't make that mistake! LOL

The TDI (turbocharged direct injection) is a very good choice. It isn't as 'quick off the line' as the gas version, but it's more thrifty!

Yes, get an auto-transmission, if they really have one to offer.

I think they offer a DSG 'automatic' transmission (Direct Shift Gearbox) - that is NOT fully automatic, but it adds more fuel economy. Make sure that you drive that 'DSG' equipped buggy all over town, highway, hills, to make sure it doesn't drive you absolutely crazy!

Good luck and happy driving! 8^)

35 posted on 12/12/2012 7:15:04 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: oldplayer

http://www.partsplaceinc.com/products/product-detail.aspx?keyword=VW+TDI+Engine+038-100-018-TDI-R&sku=41104


36 posted on 12/12/2012 7:16:25 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Ron C.

FOUR DOOR ONLY! Don’t make that mistake! LOL
___________________

Tell me more. I have been debating back and forth.

I want mamual, I have missed manual and I love manual.


37 posted on 12/12/2012 7:18:49 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup
How much does it cost to install an engine?

Well, if VW does it...it costs a fortune. If a local VW freak does it as a labor of love....it would be reasonable.

You need to ask around and find a reputable and competent fellow. I can't help you with that, but they're everywhere.

38 posted on 12/12/2012 7:20:26 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

If a local VW freak does it as a labor of love....it would be reasonable.

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Reasonable being.....

I am ceertainly willing to marry, provide a good home, three fine meals each day, do laundry and engage in all sorts of fun stuff for the right mechanic. LoL

Either a mechanic or a really good carptenter/builder. carpenter.


39 posted on 12/12/2012 7:24:39 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup
Well - ignore my last on the DSG version. I see you like the manual. (I wouldn't where I have to drive - way too much shifting! LOL)

But I still wonder if the DSG (really a manual tranny) isn't something you should check out. Yeah, it adds price though.

40 posted on 12/12/2012 7:27:37 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Chickensoup
I have missed manual and I love manual.

Me too, that's the way I would go, just for the sake of cost, simplicity and reliability.

One caveat; The older VWs had a different transaxle in the diesels with a higher final drive ratio. That was so it wouldn't wind out to 7500 RPM like the gas jobbies.

Of course if you find a (bad engine) car that's already diesel, the proper trannie will already be in there and ready to go.

41 posted on 12/12/2012 7:29:42 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Ron C.

But I still wonder if the DSG (really a manual tranny) isn’t something you should check out. Yeah, it adds price though.

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I did try it on the first visit. I see what you are saying, but I just like the responsiveness of the manual. and they have a very nice shifting manual. Impressive, actually.


42 posted on 12/12/2012 7:29:51 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Thank you. Love your tagline.


43 posted on 12/12/2012 7:31:23 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup
I am ceertainly willing to marry, provide a good home, three fine meals each day, do laundry and engage in all sorts of fun stuff for the right mechanic. LoL Either a mechanic or a really good carptenter/builder. carpenter.

Hmmmm... You could probably get all that in one handsome package (sorry ma'am, I'm already taken)

I can just see the personal ads now...

Hey he could build his own garage!

44 posted on 12/12/2012 7:34:15 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Chickensoup
Two big reasons for 4 doors. First and foremost, it's a real pain getting larger items in and out of the back seat - boxes, etc.

Second, if you have passengers frequently, they can get in and out with less trouble for everyone.

I went two-door once, and grew to hate it! ~grim grin~

45 posted on 12/12/2012 7:36:14 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

LOL I wasnt fishing, just teasing.


46 posted on 12/12/2012 7:40:24 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup
"Dealer giving 300K warranty with serviceing Q10K at dealership. Your thoughts."

I don't know how that could be possible. Financially, I mean. What does the 300,000 mile warranty cover? And who is backing it? The VW dealers in my area do not get good service reviews, FWIW. I'm skeptical about how they can afford to do this.

"I would be buying an 1986 SAAB."

If SAAB parts and service were a challenge before the company died and went to China, they must be loads of fun now! (I had two pre-GM SAAB 900s, a 1983 and a 1989. I still miss them, sometimes.)

I drive a BMW these days. I'm strongly considering an American car -- a Honda Civic Si 4-door -- in a couple of years when my BMW runs out of warranty. As Eurocars go, BMW reliability is no worse than anything else -- but life is just too short to be on a first name basis with my service adviser. A Honda doesn't have the "feel" of a Eurocar -- but it doesn't have the maintenance problems, either.

47 posted on 12/12/2012 7:40:47 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Chickensoup

I have a 2002 Jetta TDI I bought used for my commute. It’s now got 160k on it still getting 52 mpg. Runs great will definitely get another one when the wheels fall off this one....


48 posted on 12/12/2012 7:45:37 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Chickensoup

Gregarious, attractive young professional woman seeks gentle carpenter/VW diesel mechanic as life partner...object: building me a castle and stable of Volkswagens.

Must be able to appreciate a large variety of ethnic foods and Rock-n-roll, blues and Zydeco music. Must have your own tools and having a good sense of humor and the ability to water houseplants occasionally wouldn’t hurt either.

Long walks on the beach and reading poetry are bogus.


49 posted on 12/12/2012 7:49:00 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Sooth2222

mean. What does the 300,000 mile warranty cover? And who is backing it? The VW dealers in my area do not get good service reviews, FWIW. I’m skeptical about how they can afford to do this.
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It is a dealer warrenty if you get all service at their service dept. I think it is the engine and drivetrain

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I still miss them, sometimes
+++++++ So you understand what I am saying about SAAB.

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You see a service issue. I will look into that.


50 posted on 12/12/2012 7:53:58 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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