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1 posted on 12/13/2012 4:08:24 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The first one that should have her bank accounts emptied is Oprah!

“She didn’t so that - she didn’t build her TV Show”

2 posted on 12/13/2012 4:09:57 AM PST by BCW (
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To: Kaslin
...because the Bush tax cuts are only temporary...

Temporary, sure, but the Bush tax rates are the longest period of tax stability in history. All tax rates are temporary since Congress can change them at any time.

3 posted on 12/13/2012 4:14:24 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Kaslin

“The Rich” (along with “Wall Street” and “bankers”) are just old school Democrat KKK code words for Jews. It’s no surprise that Obama has adopted these terms and “will not compromise” on them.

(Ironically the MSM stories continue to say that the fiscal impasse is the result of Republican’s refusal to compromise.)

4 posted on 12/13/2012 4:21:55 AM PST by motor_racer (Pete, do you ever get tired, of the driving?)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah, it all sounds great but none of this will ever happen.

5 posted on 12/13/2012 4:32:48 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: Kaslin
The Rats are very clever in protecting their income by only raising rates while leaving their favorite loopholes intact.

There is a good reason why the tax code is thousands of pages long: It is full of tax exemptions & deductions targeting cronies & crony groups. This is why Buffet & Soros support higher rates. They wont pay them no matter how high the rates are.

Buffet, by the way, owes billions of back taxes he has not paid. But, crony tax law keeps him out of jail while the average American would be impoverished & in jail for such tax delinquencies.

Frankly, I don't know why* Boehner & Co. fight the higher rates for the rich**, which includes Boehner & Co. The rich will simply rearrange their finances to continue to avoid paying taxes as they have always done. Real tax reform would get rid of 20,000+ pages of loopholes in the tax code. Buffett & Soros would squeal like stuck pigs if this were to happen.

* Actually, I do know why: To avoid real tax reform. Both sides are equally guilty as both sides have their pet deductions & exemptions.

**I do not consider $250,000 income as rich. These people & small business owners are middle class, at best. This Obama number was always too low & is another betrayal of the middle class by Obama. One million dollars in income is where the upper bracket should begin, yet few pols are arguing the $250k is too low.

6 posted on 12/13/2012 4:55:32 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Kaslin
Texas and other no- or low-tax states are being forced to subsidize the profligate states.

"Low, maybe but there are no, "No tax states".

8 posted on 12/13/2012 5:16:32 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Kaslin

Rather than lose this battle Republicans should pass a bill as follows and then go home leaving it up to Reid to vote it up or down.

1) turn the tables on Obama and lower the middle class tax rates (below $250,000) by 2 percentage points. This reduction will offset the impact on the middle class #2.

2) put a 30% tariff on all imports. Call it an incentive to bring jobs back to America. Tell the people we’ve been losing a trade war for the last 30 years and it is time to fight back. This tariff will raise $600 billion under the static economic formulas used by the government to assess the impact of taxes.

3). Keep the rates on the above $250k the same as today. Tell the people we are lowering rates on the middle class while not giving a break to the wealthy.

4). Implement a true “millionaire” tax by eliminating all deductions and credits for individuals with adjusted gross incomes over $1 million. Also tax dividend and capital gains at the marginal income tax rate for filers with adjusted gross incomes of $1 million or more. Eliminate “carried interest” for individuals with adjusted gross incomes of $1 million or more. Let the progressive Wall Street bankers and Mr. Buffett pay marginal income tax rates on their capital gains and dividends.

5). Protect small business by allowing small businesses to pay a flat 15% rate on all profits retained in the business. Profits extracted by the owners to be taxed at marginal individual rates.

6). Death tax exemption for all taxpayers of $5 million indexed for inflation ($10 million per couple). Death tax rate for individuals to be same as marginal tax rate the prior year. That way a middle class taxpayer who is normally taxed at a 20% rate doesn’t pay 50% on the value of the family business she inherits.

7). A new federal excise tax of 10 cents on every music and video download, every movie ticket sold, every entertainment DVD or CD sold. Plus a $1.00 excise tax on every ticket to a concert or professional sporting event. Republicans should justify the tax by saying the entertainment industry is making billions and it is time for them to pay their fair share.

8). Change “base” for federal budget assumption to prior year actual spending instead of prior year plus an inflation assumption.

9). Establish a spending ceiling of $X and require the president to show in his upcoming 2014 budget he will meet the spending target. Force Obama to be specific on the cuts.

10). Include a $1 trillion increase in the national debt ceiling with the requirement the president present a specific plan for achieving a balanced budget by the end of his current term. No plan, no increase in the debt ceiling.

The Republicans are losing the PR war. The only way to turn the tables on the class warfare game is to pass a tax bill with real middle class benefits, and perceived penalties for the wealthy. This plan does this without hurting small business.

To those who say the tariffs will damage the economy, I say not as much as caving to Obama’s demands. Actually a tariff will hit China in the teeth. To protect their market share Chinese factories will lower prices to offset some of the impact of the tariff which will in turn put huge pressure on the Chinese economy. From a national security perspective this will be good. To the extent prices for imported products do increase it will help domestic producers. In addition it allows Republicans to position themselves as the pro American and pro US worker party. This is a much better position than being the pro wealthy party. It puts huge political pressure on one of the Democrat constituent groups, the unions, whose members will love a tariff. Plus a tariff will raise significant revenue for the treasury. In addition, the 47% who pay no federal income taxes will pay tax indirectly, on every imported product they buy.

If the House Republicans pass this plan and go home the Dems will have the choice of voting against real middle class tax cuts and real tax increases on the wealthy. If they vote against the tariff they can be accused of voting against US jobs which will not sit well with the union rank and file. With respect to the “rich” this plan hits directly the Democrat wealthy. The Republicans can quietly tell their wealthy supporters they held the line on tax rates and got them a better deal tan they would have gotten under Obama. Plus the entertainment excise tax is a direct levy on a key Democrat constituent group.

The Democrats have Republicans on the defensive. It is time to go on the offense by turning the tables in the PR game and aggressively working to splinter the Democrat coalition. Obama and the Dems are playing hardball politics and winning the PR game. If Republicans don’t fight back hard with popular measures they will continue to lose.

9 posted on 12/13/2012 5:29:32 AM PST by Soul of the South
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To: Kaslin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
RE :”Republicans cannot be the party that raised everyone’s tax rates to prove that they can't be pushed around by the Democratic Senate and Democratic president. You don't want job-killing tax hikes on producers? Vote Republican next time.
It is not helpful to complain, “But Republicans will be blamed no matter what they do!” Yes — true. When has that not been true? It's not a novel insight, and it's certainly not an argument for handing our enemies a baseball bat to bludgeon us with.

I been preaching this since the election.

And if Republicans cut any deal to lessen just those automatic tax increases (over $250K) without getting rid of them completely, then they will be part of raising taxes, or at least be perceived to be.

But what if Republicans send two bills to the Senate, one extending cuts <$250K (for everyone) and one >$250K ?

Then they are not :
1) Raising taxes, or
2) Holding the middle class hostage to the rich

Then its Dems that raised those taxes.

They always trap themselves. Hell, maybe they will get O to slightly lower the rate over $250K (over the Clinton rates) in return for our medicare starting at 70 years old. That would be a reason to party.

11 posted on 12/13/2012 5:57:11 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Kaslin
..John Travolta's personal Boeing 707...

Staffed with young male flight attendants, no doubt...

15 posted on 12/13/2012 6:59:05 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Kaslin

Pass a bill specifically targeting Soros, Buffett, movie stars, entertainment figures; stand back and watch the heads explode.

16 posted on 12/13/2012 7:30:28 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Kaslin; Syncro; C. Edmund Wright; Tax-chick
A really good article from Annie. Glad to see her back.

She makes two observations that I'd like to highlight regarding successful messaging and tactics .....

Apart from gay marriage, the only issue the NFM has ever cared more about is aborting babies. And yet, intelligent pro-lifers swung the debate and public opinion by pushing parental notification laws, spousal notification laws and partial-birth abortion bans.

Pro-lifers are all about saving babies. However, they (we) have recognized that it won't happen overnight in this blind and Godless culture. So they took an incremental approach with their strategy and have won over time [it takes way too long but that's the culture we live in].

Billionaire liberal Warren Buffett keeps gassing about how he's dying to pay a higher tax rate (while employing a phalanx of lawyers to argue that he owes less in taxes than the IRS says he owes). Buffett is taking advantage of an unwarranted tax loophole that allows full-time investors like himself to report their entire income as capital gains, not ordinary income.

But that's his job! A stock-picker like Buffett is completely different from a doctor, whose job is to save lives, or a lawyer, whose job is to wreck them. They pay the full income tax rate for what they earn doing their jobs, and then pay a lower capital gains rate on investing the money they get to keep.

Terrific points! Let's be strategic in the tax "revenue increases" (rather than blind rate hikes) we make. Don't give the issue or its impact away. Especially when the Liberals are 'gassing about' paying higher taxes. Give it to 'em. And State taxes and the proper classification of income is an awesome way to target their greatest impact onto wealthy liberals.
p.s. the subtle slam on the lawyers 'whose job is to wreck them' [lives] was vintage Annie.

... at least force liberal fat cats to start paying their fair share.

This last observation reminds me of one of Ronaldus Maximus' great and timeless quotes ......

I've never been able to understand why a Republican contributor is a 'fat cat' and a Democratic contributor of the same amount of money is a 'public-spirited philanthropist'.

20 posted on 12/13/2012 9:09:40 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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