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Women senators agree: If women were in charge, there’d be a fiscal cliff deal by now
Hotair ^ | 12/13/2012 | AllahPundit

Posted on 12/13/2012 7:26:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Via Mediaite, this is worth watching if only to see McCaskill mouth a bit of ancient biological determinism that would have set the left off on a two-day screech bender had she been a Republican man. I think the clip's worst sin is how cloying it is: Diane Sawyer decided to bring the women of the Senate together to talk about capital-w Women, so naturally some self-serving CW about capital-w Women must get said. Thank you, Susan Collins, for handling the easy lay-up. I'd like to hear more from her and McC about why compromise is a virtue in itself (especially since the fiscal cliff is a product of bipartisan compromise) and how standing firm because you're committed to your economic beliefs is really just a form of male pigheadedness. Don't you hate how men refuse to ask for directions when they're lost? And how they whine when you ask them to concede on billions of new taxes on small businesses?

Speaking of compromise, Keith Hennessey's got a bipartisan plan in mind in case all else fails. It’s not one he likes and it’s not one he wants to see the House pass, but it might get the GOP a bit more leverage at the table with O:

I think option C is S. 3412, a bill passed by the Senate in July. The short description is that this bill “extends the middle class tax relief for one year and allows tax cuts for the rich to expire.” More precisely, here is what the bill does (Joint Tax table is here):

It extends for one year all current income tax rates for incomes < $200K (single) and <$250K (married);
For one year it keeps the capital gains rate at 15% for the same incomes as above;
For one year it (explicitly) raises the capital gains and dividends rates to 20% for incomes >$200K/$250K;
It extends for one year other provisions of current law, important and not-so-important: marriage penalty relief and the child credit, education tax relief, and a handful of smaller provisions; and
It patches the AMT for 2012…

I detest S. 3412 and do not want it to become law. But I fear that Congressional Republicans are so afraid of being blamed for a no-bill scenario that they will agree to support a hypothetical Obama-Boehner deal that is even worse. They should not do that. They must not do that.

In other words, the GOP would give in on tax hikes on the rich — a prospect that Republicans generally and even some prominent tea partiers seem increasingly resigned to — but it’d be for just one year, thus limiting the economic damage done and buying time for deliberations over tax reform. And because 3412 passed the Senate entirely with Democratic votes, theoretically Obama would have no choice but to sign it if it passed the House now. It’s already “the Democratic plan.” But then, the point here isn’t to get Obama to sign it; it’s to pressure him to make further concessions by threatening him with a short-term bill pre-approved by Democrats that would deny him a debt-ceiling hike, permanent tax hikes on the rich, new stimulus spending, and lots of other goodies he’s looking for in a “grand bargain.” It’s a play for a bit more leverage in negotiations. Just one question for Hennessey: Why does he think O would fear vetoing a Democratic bill now when it was passed months before the election? If Boehner passed it, Obama dismiss it by insisting that voters changed the game in November and granted him a mandate on liberal budgetary priorities, such that the Democratic Senate would also surely reject 3412 if it came before them again now. (Reid would give him plenty of cover on that.) Maybe it’s worth the House passing the bill anyway just because it’d put Obama on the defensive in explaining why he prefers going over the cliff to signing a Democratic bill, but I put nothing past the media when it comes to shaping public opinion against Republicans. Obama’s done an expert job of framing the entire deficit reduction debate as an argument over tax hikes on the rich and little else. If he rejected 3412 because it doesn’t make those tax hikes permanent, what’s Boehner’s move then?

I’ll leave you with Philip Klein on why the “no surrender” option isn’t much of an option either. Exit quotation: “What happens [after we go over the cliff] when Harry Reid holds a vote on a bill that lowers rates on the middle class? Will Republican senators vote against it? If so, their challengers can run ads attacking them for voting against a massive middle-class tax cut. What does that do to the brand? And when, in all likelihood, such a bill passes with near-unanimous support in the Senate, what does it do to the House GOP’s low-tax brand if their members resist, bottle up or vote against the same tax cut?”

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1 posted on 12/13/2012 7:26:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Personally I am about ready to turn the entire government over to women. At least when the eff it up it will end this myth about how much more virtuous than men they are.


2 posted on 12/13/2012 7:29:28 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

3 posted on 12/13/2012 7:29:51 AM PST by Fido969
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To: SeekAndFind

These sunset provisions need to go and we almost got rid of them if it wasn’t for Jorge McCain (D-Arizona) and one of the Ohio Senators ! Two ****ing votes that kept the Bush Tax cuts from becoming permanent !


4 posted on 12/13/2012 7:31:10 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: SeekAndFind
If women were in charge, there’d be a fiscal cliff deal by now

No doubt - one where the taxes on the productive would go through the roof and there wouldn't be any spending cuts. Not that we'll ever see any spending cuts anyway. I've seen this game played repeatedly over a number of decades.

It always goes as follows: After initial posturing Republicans agree to tax increases now for the promise of spending cuts in the future. Those spending cuts are NEVER implemented, but the tax increase are implemented immediately or even retroactively. In fact the so-called spending cuts are not even cuts in spending, but simply cuts in the automatic increases that the federal government voted itself back in the '60s

5 posted on 12/13/2012 7:32:11 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"Personally I am about ready to turn the entire government over to women. At least when the eff it up it will end this myth about how much more virtuous than men they are."

Not likely. Women will always blame men. If they eff it up, they'll blame men for breaking it beyond repair.


6 posted on 12/13/2012 7:33:54 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Women senators agree: If women were in charge, there’d be a fiscal cliff deal by now

Paving the way for Hildabeast's reign.

7 posted on 12/13/2012 7:34:04 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (America 2012 - What Would Our Forefathers Do?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Agreed.


8 posted on 12/13/2012 7:38:10 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Te?xas Eagle)
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To: CORedneck
These sunset provisions need to go

That or sunset new agencies and spending. For example: Have TSA come up every 5 years to justify their existence.

But then, you would have to eliminate cronyism and corrupt politicians for that to work, so never mind.

9 posted on 12/13/2012 7:38:55 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Women have had the vote since 1922. If having women involved made a bit of difference, we’d have seen it by now. I like having the vote myself, but I think what it does is spread the blame and/or the credit. I think that is important for citizenship, that all adult citizens make some effort to face facts (or distortions) and vote. It does not result in more virtue merely because females are about half of the voters.


10 posted on 12/13/2012 7:39:42 AM PST by married21
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To: SeekAndFind

If women were in charge, our nation would be in a far worse situation than we are currently. Considering the utter stupidity women displayed in the recent elections, the U.S. would be in a full-blown depression with 35% unemployment and 100% yearly inflation if not in a total meltdown.


11 posted on 12/13/2012 7:41:53 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: SeekAndFind

ROFL!!!!! What, with leaders like McCaskill and Pelosi? I can just see THAT deal now!!

PELOSI: “We have a deal everybody!!”

Media: “What is the deal?”

PELOSI: “You know, I’m really not sure, but it make us avoid the Fiscal Cliff! YAY!”

Media: “What is the deal?”

PELOSI “We have to pass it to see!”

Media: “Oh, okay! YAY PELOSI! YAY DEMOCRATS!”

BTW, we don’t need a deal! That “deal” should have been produced when the “Super Committee” was supposed to be doing something. And even then, the same REAL premise existed. We need to STOP SPENDING and eliminate Baseline Budgeting! Wonder why the Republican Speaker isn’t talking about either of those two things!

Just back to the days of the “Era of Good Feelings” and One-Party Rule. WOO HOO! Good times.


12 posted on 12/13/2012 7:43:03 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: SeekAndFind
If Women Were In Charge...

...Our caves would look real nice...

13 posted on 12/13/2012 7:43:32 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: brownsfan
"How do you write women so well?"

"Why, it's simple. I start with a man. Then I strip away reason and accountability."

Jack Nicholson in As Good As It Gets


14 posted on 12/13/2012 7:43:43 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Dr. Thorne

Plus, the national debt would be three times the current level—You know all about women and credit cards, right?


15 posted on 12/13/2012 7:43:49 AM PST by Arm_Bears (The MSM lies about conservatives; and it lies about liberals.)
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To: Eagle of Liberty
BTW, we don’t need a deal! That “deal” should have been produced when the “Super Committee” was supposed to be doing something. And even then, the same REAL premise existed. We need to STOP SPENDING and eliminate Baseline Budgeting! Wonder why the Republican Speaker isn’t talking about either of those two things!

Bingo.

16 posted on 12/13/2012 7:44:55 AM PST by TADSLOS (No need to watch the movie "Idiocracy". We're living it.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

**** “How do you write women so well?”

“Why, it’s simple. I start with a man. Then I strip away reason and accountability.”

Jack Nicholson in As Good As It Gets ****

A decent movie, but one of the best lines ever!


17 posted on 12/13/2012 7:45:35 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Should women be legislators in the first place?

I love women(there are 8 in my house) but I ask the question in all seriousness.


18 posted on 12/13/2012 7:46:34 AM PST by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind
I think option C is S. 3412, a bill passed by the Senate in July. The short description is that this bill “extends the middle class tax relief for one year and allows tax cuts for the rich to expire.” More precisely, here is what the bill does (Joint Tax table is here):

Does anyone know if Option C also gives Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling? If not, and the House passes S. 3412 with only democrat votes, can the Senate then insert an Amendment to the bill to do that?
19 posted on 12/13/2012 7:47:39 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"Why, it's simple. I start with a man. Then I strip away reason and accountability."

"I OBJECT!!! "




"SO DO I!!"



20 posted on 12/13/2012 7:47:51 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Absurdly laughable.


21 posted on 12/13/2012 7:48:14 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Aren't women in the Senate in charge? What's to stop them from just coming up with and proposing a solution like McCain did with his Gang of Six (or Twelve or Pi or whatever it was)?

If you think you're better leaders, show us! Nobody's stopping you.

22 posted on 12/13/2012 7:49:08 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: Texas Eagle

I’d be on board with that group!! How many of them can we recruit for leaving the Republican Party?


23 posted on 12/13/2012 7:49:59 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: SeekAndFind

If women were in charge, misuse of government power to “do good” would already have created history’s darkest Stalinist state. Like North Korea with a weak military and a huge, powerful police force.


24 posted on 12/13/2012 7:50:24 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: brownsfan

It’s an immensely popular Chick Flick, despite the fact that Nicholson somehow inexplicably gets away with saying this.


25 posted on 12/13/2012 7:53:39 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Arm_Bears
You know all about women and credit cards, right?

The most enduring life lesson I shall pass on to my progeny:

Don't marry someone who is substantially younger than you and then live next-door to a mall.


26 posted on 12/13/2012 7:55:16 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“It’s an immensely popular Chick Flick, despite the fact that Nicholson somehow inexplicably gets away with saying this.”

There’s no getting around it. Jack has “it”.


27 posted on 12/13/2012 7:58:51 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Personally I am about ready to turn the entire government over to women.

It already has been turned over to women. It's called the 19th amendment. Big mistake that was.

28 posted on 12/13/2012 8:01:34 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Oh yeah that’ll fix it, women have proved to be such fiscal hawks over the years, lol. Big Mama is worse than Big Brother.


29 posted on 12/13/2012 8:04:49 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Texas Eagle
Exactly What I was thinking! Too Fast for me!

May I also add:


30 posted on 12/13/2012 8:15:15 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: SeekAndFind
"OBJECTION OVERRULED"








31 posted on 12/13/2012 8:15:29 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Work in a small office with women. It’s stupid to say they are more able to compromise or are somehow more able to get things done in groups.

I’ve seen women withhold important work from another woman just because she thought - thought - that another woman dissed an article of her clothing.

Women are not better than men.

Hillary Clinton got us into Libya. Pelosi was one of the most uncooperative, uncompromising Speakers we’ve had in modern history.

So. Tired. Of. It.


32 posted on 12/13/2012 8:16:43 AM PST by Noamie
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To: SeekAndFind

Two thoughts:

Thema and Louise, Grand Canyon.

Nancy Pelosi, they’d sign it to find out what’s in it...


33 posted on 12/13/2012 8:18:37 AM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: Fido969

LOL... I was just gonna say, if Thelma & Louise were running things, we’d already be off the cliff.


34 posted on 12/13/2012 8:20:11 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Buckeye McFrog
(Ahem)


35 posted on 12/13/2012 8:21:05 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Right Brother

Oprafication of DC was complete the second they called the senate a country club.

DC is not a club, it is a little girl’s tea party.


36 posted on 12/13/2012 8:21:51 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
It’s an immensely popular Chick Flick, despite the fact that Nicholson somehow inexplicably gets away with saying this.

Usually the truth really pisses the off...

37 posted on 12/13/2012 8:22:49 AM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: SeekAndFind

446 cases of PMS running the country, plus at least one more for married guys.


38 posted on 12/13/2012 8:29:08 AM PST by rightly_dividing (Left behind; 4 Americans in Libya)
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To: Noamie

I think you put it very well. Women are not better than men. We have our own issues certainly, but this continuing cultural myth that they are better than we are is total bunk.

My wife has told me many such stories of petty estrogen-splitting battles roiling the offices where she has worked.


39 posted on 12/13/2012 8:33:47 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Eagle of Liberty


40 posted on 12/13/2012 8:34:16 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No surprise there. Democrat female senators strongly outnumber Republican female senators, and most of the Republicans are liberals.

So the fiscal cliff would be averted by giving Obama everything he wanted, and the Republicans would get blamed for any failure.


41 posted on 12/13/2012 8:40:29 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: SeekAndFind


Thus no shortsighted idiotic



stupid Senate chicks compromising.
42 posted on 12/13/2012 8:41:38 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Dr. Thorne
If women were in charge, our nation would be in a far worse situation than we are currently.

There may be a reason why no civilized society in recorded history has ever been a matriarchy.

43 posted on 12/13/2012 8:50:17 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

It’s the bar scene from Star Wars!


44 posted on 12/13/2012 8:51:10 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise
They'd be an improvement:


45 posted on 12/13/2012 9:00:21 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If true conservatives were in power, there wouldn’t be talk of fiscal cliffs.


46 posted on 12/13/2012 9:04:04 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I SECOND THAT MOTION!


47 posted on 12/13/2012 9:11:48 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good God... Repeal the 19th Amendment.


48 posted on 12/13/2012 9:13:30 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ArrogantBustard
(This is NOT photoshopped. Stabenow actually did this.)


49 posted on 12/13/2012 9:18:56 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SeekAndFind

What a joke. These fem-idiot Dems would make America into one big dream-act social welfare state where war and guns were banned. Not that this would stop anyone from taking advantage and attacking us economically and militarily. These idiots should be cooking and cleaning and doing laundry but I am sure they would cook lousy food that would poison any husband. They are all rich enough to hire cooks and do

How did their children turn out? This is a good test.


50 posted on 12/13/2012 9:19:02 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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