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Poll: Majority would blame both sides equally if talks fail
The Hill ^ | 12/13/12 | Meghashyam Mali

Posted on 12/13/2012 8:52:17 AM PST by Qbert

A new poll finds that a majority of voters would blame both President Obama and congressional Republicans equally if efforts to find a deficit deal to avoid the “fiscal cliff” fail.

Fifty-six percent surveyed in a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll say both sides would be responsible if a compromise is not reached. Nineteen percent would blame Obama and Democrats only, with 24 percent saying the GOP would be at fault.

Those numbers could suggest a shift in public opinion as both parties work to find a way to prevent tax rate hikes and automatic spending cuts from taking effect in January. Prior surveys have shown voters more likely to blame congressional Republicans if talks fail.

A Washington Post/Pew Research survey released last week found 53 percent would blame Republicans, with 27 faulting the president. Twelve percent in that poll said blame should be equally apportioned. And a CNN/ORC poll last month found 45 percent saying Republicans would be responsible if there was no accord, with 34 tabbing Obama.

But voters in the new WSJ/NBC poll also give the president a strong review in talks, with Obama holding a 53 percent approval rating. Forty-three percent disapprove of the president’s overall job performance.

On the issue of taxes, 59 percent say Obama received a mandate in the election to eliminate Bush-era tax rates for those making over $250,000 a year, with 36 percent saying he didn’t receive such a mandate.

Republicans want to extend the expiring tax rates across the board, but Obama has said he will reject any deal that does not raise rates on the top 2 percent of income earners.

Voters are also split on the likelihood that a deal will be reached, with 48 percent pessimistic about the outlook and 48 percent optimistic.

The poll’s findings come as both sides remain deadlocked in talks. 

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Obama earlier this week exchanged a new round of offers, and staff for both sides are continuing to meet to hammer out an agreement. But publicly, leaders are suggesting that there is a long road to finding a deal.

On Wednesday, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) warned lawmakers that they should be prepared to continue working after Christmas.

Both sides have sought to rally public support for their position in talks, with Obama hitting the road, visiting autoworkers in Detroit earlier this week. 

The poll was conducted from Dec. 6 to 9 and has a 3-point margin of error.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 112th; 2012polls; blame; fiscalcliff; obama; obamataxhikes

1 posted on 12/13/2012 8:52:20 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Other polls have indicated that voters have no idea what Obama is proposing in the way of a top income tax rate. Most voters think that 25% should be the top the tax rate, only 4% agree with a 40% tax rate that Obama proposes.


2 posted on 12/13/2012 8:55:44 AM PST by Eva
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To: Qbert

I would credit Republicans if these talks fail. We should welcome the fiscal cliff. Better to deal with this sooner than later.


3 posted on 12/13/2012 8:56:41 AM PST by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: Qbert

If both sides are subject to equal amounts of blame, then something is being done right.

But the media won’t report it that way. What isn’t Boehner’s fault, is Bush’s fault, or even that of the T.E.A. party people. The Current Occupant and the entire Democrat liberal establishment shall be regarded as too morally sacrosant to be assigned ANY blame.


4 posted on 12/13/2012 8:59:13 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: Qbert

What does it matter who gets the blame? If the last election has taught us anything it’s that the voters have memories about one month long and get easily distracted when the media tangles something shiny in front of them. Does anybody seriously think that anybody will even remember what happens with the “fiscal cliff” in 2014? Nope they will be voting on what stupid comment Senator Foghorn made about Rape two weeks before the election, or Representative Randy Crouch sending text messages to an underage hooker.


5 posted on 12/13/2012 9:00:34 AM PST by apillar
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To: Qbert
The media drives public opinion. The public are like parrots.
First the media tells them what to think. Then it asks the public what they think. Then it does a poll on what the public thinks. Then the public is happy because they think they are knowledgeable.
6 posted on 12/13/2012 9:01:54 AM PST by oldbrowser (Put Obama in check, now.)
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To: Qbert

4 years from now, the dem prez candidate will blame the repubbies for this and list it as the reason for the crappy economy in O’s 2nd term. O, and he/she will also blame Bush.


7 posted on 12/13/2012 9:05:00 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Eva

"Other polls have indicated that voters have no idea what Obama is proposing in the way of a top income tax rate."

That's why Boehner is such a fool to keep these talks private. Can you imagine what would happen if Obama was asked to answer basic questions about the arithmetic of his "proposals" out in the open? If Obama was asked to name some changes to entitlement programs that he preferred? "Uh..uh..uh"...

8 posted on 12/13/2012 9:07:19 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert
I sure as hell am not happy about the president holding the middle class hostage.

WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING....cut stupid things like Head Start....School lunch programs....

The Federal government should have absolutely no input into schools.

Then there's the Obamaphone scam...

We just had a look at a green training program in Rochester NY. They got millions...but did not produce one green job (nor was green even in the curriculum) and that was the condition of the grant.

9 posted on 12/13/2012 9:07:48 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Qbert

Tax increases on all Americans, Spending Cuts Across the board?

I say let ‘er rip!

People need to understand that this level of government is completely unaffordable. We need to punish peoples’ stupid political decisions (see 0bama) with the reality they cause.


10 posted on 12/13/2012 9:08:30 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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To: Qbert

50% of the population couldn’t spell “fiscal cliff” if you spotted them the “f”, “i”, and “c”. Polls like this are worthless.


11 posted on 12/13/2012 9:10:16 AM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: Qbert

Polls? Polls?

We live by polls these days.

sheep , 2/3rd’s of the electorate is a mush-brained herd that can be made to jump off cliffs and then blame the ground for giving way.


12 posted on 12/13/2012 9:10:34 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Qbert
The talks FAILED on November 21, 2011. Something could have been done in the past year but wasn't. I guess it just wasn't that big of a priority for even Boehner. I am almost on board with this Option C:

A third option changes the negotiation
13 posted on 12/13/2012 9:11:03 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Qbert

I doubt this. Democrats never get the blame for this kind of stuff. And John Q. Voter demands his STUFF! He’ll blame Republicans if there are budget cuts and tax raises.


14 posted on 12/13/2012 9:11:52 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: apillar

"What does it matter who gets the blame? If the last election has taught us anything it’s that the voters have memories about one month long and get easily distracted when the media tangles something shiny in front of them."

You're exactly right. The whole point of this media-generated "fiscal cliff" nonsense is to try to force Conservatives to panic and to agree to tax hikes.

15 posted on 12/13/2012 9:14:21 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

OH! And I believe that all of these little Committee Fiefdoms HAVE TO GO!

Huelscamp and Amash were on with Hannity yesterday. They are fellow House members and get treated worse than we do! Not invited to Fiscal Cliff discussions, not shown negotiations or deals....purely amazing!!


16 posted on 12/13/2012 9:14:23 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Qbert
The low information, low accurate education, high MSM propagandized, public school, envious Americans are responding to polls, again.
17 posted on 12/13/2012 9:16:30 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Qbert

The “media” will direct Americans to blame the Republicans for any negative repercussions stemming from whatever happens with this issue. As a group that possesses nearly nonexistent critical thinking abilities, they’ll simply believe what they’re told to believe.


18 posted on 12/13/2012 9:20:24 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Qbert

Voters may be self-interested but they are smart enough to realize that taking 40% of what anyone makes is not going to work.


19 posted on 12/13/2012 9:23:27 AM PST by Eva
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To: Qbert

hey NBC why don’t you wait to see what the poll says when the dummies taking the poll get hit with a $3,000 tax increase after JAN 1st?


20 posted on 12/13/2012 9:25:33 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: jjsheridan5

and the “s” and “a”.

Too many Americans are dumber than a bag of rocks.


21 posted on 12/13/2012 9:38:25 AM PST by A message
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To: ScottinVA
The “media” will direct Americans to blame the Republicans for any negative repercussions stemming from whatever happens with this issue.

And therein lies the problem with most political discussions today. The MSM, in the form of NBC-BS, CBS-BS, ABC-BS and CNN-BS, have become so ingrained as the purveyors of truth in America that if Brian Williams told us that the sun was going to rise in the West tomorrow, about 70% of Americans would believe him. And the same MSM who are about 95% leftists will also tell you that Fox News is a bunch of lying right-wing nuts who are anything but a "news" organization.

22 posted on 12/13/2012 9:38:29 AM PST by ssaftler (Happy Chanukah to all, especially the Muslims out there!)
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To: Qbert

Who cares????? Let it fail. It is going to worse the longer these pinheads in government put it off.


23 posted on 12/13/2012 9:42:13 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Qbert

I blame Obama totally. 110%.


24 posted on 12/13/2012 9:44:15 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Qbert

“Can you imagine what would happen if Obama was asked to answer basic questions about the arithmetic of his “proposals” out in the open? If Obama was asked to name some changes to entitlement programs that he preferred? “Uh..uh..uh”...”

Of course, something like this actually happened during the health care debate. Paul Ryan schooled Obama on the idiocy of Obamacare and found himself completely ignored. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs


25 posted on 12/13/2012 9:50:03 AM PST by DrC
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To: Qbert; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
RE :”Poll: Majority would blame both sides equally if talks fail, By Meghashyam Mali - 12/13/12 07:50 AM ET
A new poll finds that a majority of voters would blame both President Obama and congressional Republicans equally if efforts to find a deficit deal to avoid the “fiscal cliff” fail.
Fifty-six percent surveyed in a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll say both sides would be responsible if a compromise is not reached. Nineteen percent would blame Obama and Democrats only, with 24 percent saying the GOP would be at fault.
But voters in the new WSJ/NBC poll also give the president a strong review in talks, with Obama holding a 53 percent approval rating. Forty-three percent disapprove of the president’s overall job performance.
On the issue of taxes, 59 percent say Obama received a mandate in the election to eliminate Bush-era tax rates for those making over $250,000 a year, with 36 percent saying he didn’t receive such a mandate.”

I saw this on cable yesterday too.
This is some good news, I think it is because there are no GOP members on TV saying “Shut it down” this time around.

Bohner looks like he is really upset about this on TV too, HA-HA,.

Will see how it plays out. Naturally I am not optimistic.

26 posted on 12/13/2012 10:03:04 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: DrC

"Of course, something like this actually happened during the health care debate. Paul Ryan schooled Obama on the idiocy of Obamacare and found himself completely ignored."

You're right only to some extent- yes the media and the Dems ignored Ryan's brilliant attacks... but even most of the public got it (along with help from the Tea Party rallies). Obamacare was extremely unpopular when it was passed, and the Dems get demolished in 2010.

We have to take these leftists head on- and publicly- and keep drilling our points until the public understands.

27 posted on 12/13/2012 10:03:57 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: oldbrowser
Precisely. Julius Streicher figured out this game perfectly in Germany, Circa 1933.

Some of our enemedia ring leaders will probably have to end up like Julius Streicher before the problem gets corrected here.

28 posted on 12/13/2012 10:04:05 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: All
It's always the “Bush tax cuts” that are expiring.

Why doesn't anyone say that what will happen if Congress does nothing is that we will revert back to the “Clinton-Era Tax Rates” for all.

They were Clinton rates, so they must be "fair", right?

That would be much more accurate...:^(

29 posted on 12/13/2012 10:29:11 AM PST by az_gila
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To: Qbert

This is good news. Hopefully the ignorants will get mad and not vote for anyone.


30 posted on 12/13/2012 10:38:47 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Qbert

this poll = the MSM assessing just how much work they have to do to spin this in Barry’s favor.


31 posted on 12/13/2012 10:55:37 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: sickoflibs; Qbert; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale
Fifty-six percent surveyed in a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll say both sides would be responsible if a compromise is not reached. Nineteen percent would blame Obama and Democrats only, with 24 percent saying the GOP would be at fault.

Even if a poll response represents good polling practices, and this one might qualify, it's tricky to translate that directly into a budget deal. As you yourself have pointed out, although some polls show that budget cuts should be the #1 priority, nobody, including the GOP, can find any significant cuts that are popular.

If polls asked "Would you be in favor of raising taxes by eliminating deductions X, Y, and Z," then "raising taxes" in that sense might not be so popular. Maybe that is what the GOP is trying to get at, but I doubt that would work very well, since, for one thing, polls don't ask the question like that.

32 posted on 12/13/2012 2:27:58 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sickoflibs
This is some good news, I think it is because there are no GOP members on TV saying “Shut it down” this time around.

Yes, that is an improvement.

33 posted on 12/13/2012 2:31:07 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Qbert; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale
RE :”If polls asked “Would you be in favor of raising taxes by eliminating deductions X, Y, and Z,” then “raising taxes” in that sense might not be so popular. Maybe that is what the GOP is trying to get at, but I doubt that would work very well, since, for one thing, polls don't ask the question like that.”

I can only guess that they are trying to get O to go along with future cuts in medicare because they believe a Republican POTUS could never do it,
And they don't like raising taxes and figure the worse the deficit gets the more appealing raising taxes will look.

So they let O spend now, they make a compromise deal on taxes to get cuts in our future entitlements. Is that the plan????

I see no reason to believe that Bohner will beat O with his strategy, whatever that is,
and I am not thrilled about me going on O care at 65 (if I want to retire then) in return for continuing spending now and a deal on taxes now, and Obama looking like a big bi-partision success with Bohners help.

Just to be painfully repetitive:

But what if Republicans send two bills to the Senate, one extending cuts <$250K (for everyone) and one >$250K ?

Then they are not :
1) Raising taxes, or
2) Holding the middle class hostage to the rich

Then its Dems that raised those taxes.

34 posted on 12/13/2012 5:24:19 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs
But what if Republicans send two bills to the Senate, one extending cuts <$250K (for everyone) and one >$250K ?

Then they are not :

1) Raising taxes, or

2) Holding the middle class hostage to the rich

Then its Dems that raised those taxes.

Or 3 bills, if they have time: 1) restoring all the GWB tax cuts, 2) tax cuts for everyone below (some number between 250K and $2M), and 3 (if necessary) Tax cuts for those <=250K and blame O. Bill #1 would be to make those pesky tea partiers happy, so maybe they Boner could get some votes for other bills.

35 posted on 12/13/2012 9:12:07 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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