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Changes in voter demographics likely permanent, study says
San Diego News Room ^ | December 12, 2012 | not stated

Posted on 12/13/2012 9:38:39 AM PST by Defiant

SAN DIEGO (CNS) - Changes in San Diego voter demographics that became apparent with the election of Bob Filner as mayor are probably permanent, with the city's political power shifting toward independents and residents south of Interstate 8, according to a study released Wednesday.

The National University System Institute for Policy Research found that Mayor Bob Filner's election victory over ex-Councilman Carl DeMaio was fueled by voters south of the freeway that runs through Mission Valley. The freeway is a traditional, but not entirely accurate, dividing line between economic "haves'' and "have-nots'' and a border between Republican- and Democratic-leaning enclaves.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; illegals; sandiego
As San Diego goes, so goes California. As California goes, so goes the nation. What is unstated in all these studies and reports about the electorate is that the demographics shifted because illegals are voting now, a process that began with Clinton and motor voter. It started slowly, transforming a rock solid conservative district here and there (Bob Dornan's for example, most recently, Brian Bilbray's), making statewide races unwinnable, and now giving the lunatic left a veto-proof majority in Sacramento. This process is going to hit Texas in just a few short years, unless something drastic happens in the meantime. Illegals are making the difference in places like North Carolina and Iowa. Not to mention the fraudulent voting by regular Americans.

San Diego was a Republican area when I moved here 25 years ago. There were moderates around the city (like Pete Wilson), and conservatives outside the city (like Duncan Hunter). Republicans were governor and Senator. Now it is lost. Texans, please fight to keep this from happening to you, I am hoping to move there and start reclaiming our country from that base.

1 posted on 12/13/2012 9:38:46 AM PST by Defiant
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To: Defiant

I agree that we have to fight the idea that illegals get to vote.

No demographic is permanent, though.


2 posted on 12/13/2012 9:43:31 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Defiant

CA was lost because of the ‘86 amnesty, IMO. Because of that plus family reunitification we added millions of new citizens, 80% voting democrat.


3 posted on 12/13/2012 9:47:35 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Defiant
"This process is going to hit Texas in just a few short years"

So Texas had better get a cast iron Voter ID system right now because as sure as hell, the Rats will do everything to stop it or roll it back if they ever get power.

4 posted on 12/13/2012 9:50:53 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Defiant

I’m hearing whites will no longer be the majority by 2030. Believable. I have many Hispanic friends, good people, but as a whole will they want to preserve this republic in the spirit of our founding fathers? I think not. Will most of them and other Americans give up government handouts to avoid economic collapse? I think not. Americans, of all origins and skin colors, are in for tough times.


5 posted on 12/13/2012 9:53:36 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: Defiant; Joe Brower; Myrddin
This is why my second novel finished in San Diego.

Reality is moving right along the fictional schedule.


6 posted on 12/13/2012 9:56:54 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
So Texas had better get a cast iron Voter ID system right now because as sure as hell, the Rats will do everything to stop it or roll it back if they ever get power.

Texas finally passed a voter ID law last year that was approved by the Governor but unfortunately, the Obama/Holder Justice Dept. have put the kibosh on it. I fear the worst.

7 posted on 12/13/2012 10:01:47 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Defiant
As California goes, so goes the nation. What is unstated in all these studies and reports about the electorate is that the demographics shifted because illegals are voting now, a process that began with Clinton and motor voter.

It is not illegal immigrants, but LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that are changing the demographics of this country and they have been since the implementation of the 1965 Immigration Act,

We bring in 1.2 million LEGAL immigrants a year--87% of whom are minorities as defined by the USG. Many settle in CA.

According to the Bureau of the Census, 27.2% are foreign born; 43.2% of the those over 5 live in a household where other than English is spoken; 38.1% are persons of Hispanic or Latino origin; 13.6% are Asians; and 39.7% are non-Hispanic whites.

If we don't limit LEGAL IMMIGRATION, then the country is lost if it isn't already. CA is the canary in the coal mine. The demographics of CA today will be what the US looks like in 2050.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 46 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by an additional 130 million to 440 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration.

The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade. Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.

8 posted on 12/13/2012 10:05:08 AM PST by kabar
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To: Defiant

Illegals voting has nothing to do with the demographic switch although they are the cause of it. Unchecked illegal immigration has beget a nation of American born children from the illegals that are now coming into voter age. And it will only get worse.


9 posted on 12/13/2012 10:05:32 AM PST by sheana
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To: Menehune56

We live in SD..and Filner was a shoe in because there was so much negativity in the GOP primary. He mostly sat on the sidelines and just waited. He is one ugly human being. Totally pro union..totally pro anything to kill the city, state and country. I have met him..talked with him. He doesn’t have a financial clue...plus he is obnoxious. So here we are..stuck with Filner, Brown and Obama..what could possibly go right?


10 posted on 12/13/2012 10:07:57 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Voter ID will not prevent the eventual coversion of Texas to a blue state. Legal immigrants can vote and there are more than 30 million now and each year 1.2 million more LEGAL IMMIGRANTS enter this country.


11 posted on 12/13/2012 10:08:15 AM PST by kabar
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To: Defiant

Permanent as long as Republicans do nothing about dead and illegal votes.


12 posted on 12/13/2012 10:10:49 AM PST by hope
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To: sheana
Two to three times the number of legal immigrants enter this country each year compared to the number of illegal immigrants. Yes the 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies born each year to illegal aliens adds to the problem, but legal immigrants also have children.

Illegal immigration is a problem, but legal immigration is a much bigger one.

13 posted on 12/13/2012 10:11:57 AM PST by kabar
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To: Defiant

We too are looking to move to TX or AZ. We have made trips to AZ house hunting and also TX, Dallas and the Hill Country. Pros and cons with each.
Now is a pretty good time to sell in San Diego. There are a shortage of properties that are free of any repo/short sale strings. My only misgiving about selling is that someone else will start paying higher property taxes on our house and help feed the monster.


14 posted on 12/13/2012 10:12:24 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: kabar

I agree with you. I was addressing the illegals voting. Their children are the much bigger issue.


15 posted on 12/13/2012 10:20:38 AM PST by sheana
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To: kabar
It is not illegal immigrants, but LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that are changing the demographics of this country and they have been since the implementation of the 1965 Immigration Act,

I agree with you that legal immigrants are changing the demographics as well. I read Alien Nation back when it came out in the early 90s, and was appalled that far back. It has only gotten worse. But the shift in California politics that occurred since I have been here is, I believe, directly attributable to the 1986 amnesty, the early 80's SC decision that said that illegals had to be allowed to go to schools, and the motor voter law. Illegals began pouring over the border after 1986. It became easy to claim that you were entitled to amnesty. When Bush got in in 1988, they stopped enforcing employer sanctions, and more came. Then came Clinton and motor voter.

By 1994, it became clear that we had a huge problem. Our moderate Republican governor, Wilson, latched onto the conservative idea of denying benefits to illegals, and the initiative passed overwhelmingly. Even Mexican-Americans supported the idea that illegals should not be given freebies. As it turned out, that was the dying pushback by a dwingling remnant. Had it been allowed to become law, California might still be the great state that it was when I got here. And America might be a lot better off too. Instead, some unelected judges decided, using legislative logic and some bogus arguments, that illegals are entitled to schools, health care, welfare and housing. It was outrageous. And we have been getting buried ever since.

So, legal immigrants have hurt us a lot since 1965. Muzzies in particular have taken advantage of that law to gain a foothold in our cities and our culture. But illegals are a total game changer. There are 20 million of them, and they are a high percentage of the young people.

Demographics are destiny. When Democrats could not win the argument, they changed the demographics. We have to be willing to change the demographics ack, or surrender the country. We can convince Americans that freedom and free markets are best for us. We will never convince mestizos, muzzies and filipinos to vote to uphold America's heritage. They want to destroy it, and then take their piece, like hyenas fighting over a corpse.

16 posted on 12/13/2012 10:23:41 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Travis McGee

Is your book in ebook format?


17 posted on 12/13/2012 10:32:14 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: sheana
Unchecked illegal immigration has beget a nation of American born children from the illegals that are now coming into voter age.

That's part and parcel of what I am talking about. There is no birthright citizenship for the children of illegals, and that is a problem that needs to be addressed as well. The 14th Amendment applies to people who are "subject to the jurisdiction of" the US. People don't generally understand what that means.

That said, we who want to enforce immigration laws, deny birthright citizenship to the children of illegals, jail employers and those with fraudulent SSN's, and all the things we need to do to regain our country, are probably such a small percentage that we can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Can we get it? No. But we can take baby steps to regaining control of our own demographic. First is illegal alien voting and gaining control various states so that a protected base remains intact.

18 posted on 12/13/2012 10:38:39 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: SoFloFreeper
No demographic is permanent, though

That's true. I've heard the Democrats are already sending out radio messages to neighboring galaxies, offering space aliens the chance to settle here and register Democrat.


19 posted on 12/13/2012 10:44:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SoFloFreeper
No demographic is permanent, though

That's true. I've heard the Democrats are already sending out radio messages to neighboring galaxies, offering space aliens the chance to settle here and register Democrat.


20 posted on 12/13/2012 10:45:04 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Defiant
Not just California...
21 posted on 12/13/2012 11:05:41 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: sheana

No, their children are Amcits, not legal immigrants. We bring in 1.2 million legal immigrants every year, which is four times the number of anchor babies annually.


22 posted on 12/13/2012 11:32:12 AM PST by kabar
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To: Defiant
But illegals are a total game changer. There are 20 million of them, and they are a high percentage of the young people.

No the game changer is legal immigration. During the decade ending in 2010 we had the largest number of legal immigrants ever to enter this country, 13.9 million. During that same period we had a net loss of jobs nationally of about 400,000. 57% of immigrant headed households with children are on welfare. 25% of the adult legal immigrants who enter annually lack a high school degree.

Demographics are destiny. When Democrats could not win the argument, they changed the demographics. We have to be willing to change the demographics ack, or surrender the country. We can convince Americans that freedom and free markets are best for us. We will never convince mestizos, muzzies and filipinos to vote to uphold America's heritage. They want to destroy it, and then take their piece, like hyenas fighting over a corpse.

How do you change the demographics back? Certainly, it must start with LEGAL immigration. You don't bring in 1.2 million legal immigrants a year, which is responsible for about 75% of your population growth. And the vast majority of our immigrants come from the Third World.

23 posted on 12/13/2012 11:46:47 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Thanks for posting the facts on LEGAL immigration. Too many conservatives focus on illegal immigration & don’t understand that it’s the legal immigration that moved the USA to a center-left nation.


24 posted on 12/13/2012 12:03:06 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: Defiant

WHITE VOTE IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS

2012: 72% of electorate, Romney 59, Obama 39

2008: 74% of electorate, McCain 55, Obama 43

2004: 77% of electorate, Bush 58, Kerry 41

2000: 81% of electorate, Bush 55, Gore 42

1996: 83% of electorate, Dole 46, Clinton 44 (Perot 9)

1992: 87% of electorate, Bush 41, Clinton 39 (Perot 21)

1988: 85% of electorate, Bush 60, Dukakis 40

1984: 86% of electorate, Reagan 66, Mondale 34

1980: 88% of electorate, Reagan 56, Carter 36 (Anderson 8)

1976: 89% of electorate, Ford 52, Carter 48

AVERAGE DEMOCRATIC WHITE VOTE SHARE: 40.6%


25 posted on 12/13/2012 12:04:18 PM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: Defiant
I grew up in Chula Vista. About 12 miles south of I-8. That neighborhood is predominantly Mexican (some Americans) today. In 1985, I purchased a house in Mira Mesa...12 miles north of I-8. I sold my house in Mira Mesa in Feb 2001. By that time, the local mini-mart had more ads in Spanish than English on the store windows. The more realistic have/have-not line is SR52. I'm thankful to have my family relocated to Idaho.
26 posted on 12/13/2012 12:15:17 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: BenLurkin

Sadly, she’s not illegal. Just stupid. Her demographic was 30 percent Republican before the welfare state. Republicans had overcome that deficit to regain a majority, which is why new Democrats had to be imported.


27 posted on 12/13/2012 12:23:37 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Silver Sabre

In Israel, Labor is the party of Arabs and a few radical Jews. In the US, Democrats are the party of blacks and latin-americans, and a few radical whites.


28 posted on 12/13/2012 12:26:46 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: kabar

Definitely address legal immigration, too. We don’t need it. Back in 1994, when Alien Nation came out, they were calling for a time out on legal immigration. But I’m telling you that with California, the illegals are a huge part of the voting mix now, enough to sway the outcome, and a huge part of the budget deficit. That is a problem that can easily be addressed just by following the law, and that is where we need to start. Stop all legal immigration, too, but if they came here legally, good luck getting rid of them. For them, you have to hope to reach some of their third generation. If we don’t get rid of illegals NOW, there won’t be any opportunity to win over those who are here LEGALLY and who aren’t going anywhere, because we will never win any elections.


29 posted on 12/13/2012 12:56:26 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Defiant

They are all on Kindle.


30 posted on 12/13/2012 1:23:11 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Defiant
Stop all legal immigration, too, but if they came here legally, good luck getting rid of them. For them, you have to hope to reach some of their third generation. If we don’t get rid of illegals NOW, there won’t be any opportunity to win over those who are here LEGALLY and who aren’t going anywhere, because we will never win any elections.

You seem to be hung up on illegal immigration as the main source of our demographic change. The facts just don't bear you out.

I am a member of a grassroots immigration group that lobbies on the Hill and in Richmond. I have had one on ones with Cantor and George Allen on immigration and its impact economically and electorally. I am so fed up with the GOP on this issue. All they want to deal with is illegal immigration and securing the borders. They are in the pocket of the Chamber of Commerce. They are fools and I cannot understand why they want to commit political suicide by not addressing legal immigration. It is the defining issue of our time.

Republicans are deluded if they think that we can convert these people even the third generation. In fact, studies on the Cubans have found that their children and grandchildren are becoming more and more Democrat.

Immigrants and minorities vote Democrat. That is not going to change. Immigration, Political Realignment, and the Demise of Republican Political Prospects


31 posted on 12/13/2012 2:40:59 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Perhaps you haven't seen the schools, hospitals, street corners, buses, restaurants, and neighborhoods outside of your area in northern Virginia. There, illegal aliens are a neighborhood, like Little Italy was 80 years ago. Cute, go there and see some Mexicans and buy a burrito. Here, it is a full-blown reconquest. And they are not legal, they got here 5, 10 or 15 years ago, but have not assimilated in any way. That is what the article I posted refers to, although it doesn't talk about illegals. However, there have not been huge numbers of LEGAL Mexicans getting residency here in San Diego in recent years. The ones we get that are legal are mostly on visas, and they are here only to escape violence or to stay for a while and then go back.

The scary thing is the illegals are not voting in great numbers yet. They are just starting to. But with a narrow split between the parties, a few percentage points is enough to swing the balance. In a few years, as more illegals vote, and as more of their children become 18, or as more of them get amnesty if Obama gets his way, then it will be a massacre here for Republicans. And not because of illegals.

You are looking at national statistics regarding legal aliens. I am looking at California and telling you that illegals have made a big difference, and what they have done here will spread nationally. For some reason, you want to argue against something I have not even brought up--the issue of whether legal immigration is more of a problem NATIONALLY than illegal immigration.

What we both agree on is that we don't want either legal or illegal immigration. We need to close the border, send the illegals packing (through enforcement of employment verification, eliminating benefits and raids on chicken plants, farms and construction sites) AND call a timeout on all LEGAL immigration. No new citizens, no new permanent residents, and those who can be sent back home should be. We also need to return to an assimilation policy. But, again, I am spitting in the wind, as I am for a rational approach and I am in a tiny minority of Americans. All I can do is sit back and watch what it was go away.

32 posted on 12/13/2012 3:25:17 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Defiant
Perhaps you haven't seen the schools, hospitals, street corners, buses, restaurants, and neighborhoods outside of your area in northern Virginia.

In Fairfax County where I live, 30% of the population of the county are foreign born. Virginia has the 9th largest population of immigrants, legal and illegal, in the nation--more than Nevada or AZ in terms of numbers. Is it any wonder Obama won VA in 2008 and 2012? VA is purple and will soon be blue.

We have a growing immigration population consisting of both Hispanics and Asians. They vote Dem two to one. As I am sure you are aware, Asians voted more heavily for Obama than Hispanics.

The scary thing is the illegals are not voting in great numbers yet. They are just starting to. But with a narrow split between the parties, a few percentage points is enough to swing the balance

It depends on the state. The illegals didn't have a thing to do with our losses in WI, IA, MI, Maine, etc. CA is lost forever to the Reps. And the illegal who vote really don't make a difference except in some Rep districts. The fact is that the entire CA congressional delegation will inevitably go all Dem.

The more scary thing is that Hispanics are not voting in the numbers they should be in terms of their numbers.

You are looking at national statistics regarding legal aliens. I am looking at California and telling you that illegals have made a big difference, and what they have done here will spread nationally. For some reason, you want to argue against something I have not even brought up--the issue of whether legal immigration is more of a problem NATIONALLY than illegal immigration.

I am looking at CA and the nation. CA is the canary in the coal mine. It is where we are headed as a nation. Legal immigration is what changed CA and illegal immigration just made it worse. I have a home in AZ and have lived in San Diego back in the 1960s and have seen it since. CA is a sanctuary state. It not only does not cooperate with the Feds in enforcing our immigration laws, it rewards illegal with benefits paid by the taxpayer. When you reward something, you get more of it.

What we both agree on is that we don't want either legal or illegal immigration. We need to close the border, send the illegals packing (through enforcement of employment verification, eliminating benefits and raids on chicken plants, farms and construction sites) AND call a timeout on all LEGAL immigration. No new citizens, no new permanent residents, and those who can be sent back home should be. We also need to return to an assimilation policy. But, again, I am spitting in the wind, as I am for a rational approach and I am in a tiny minority of Americans. All I can do is sit back and watch what it was go away.

I can agree with that, but it is too late. We just had a President who gave a backdoor amnesty to 1.8 million illegal aliens including work permits while 23 million Americans look for fulltime employment. The Reps are talking about a limited amnesty and more guest workers to take the jobs away from American college graduates. Both parties have sold out the American worker and are taking this country into the sewer. The are bought and sold by corporate interests. The problem is that these workers are not widgets or units of labor. They bring their own culture and world vision. We are screwed.

This great nation is in the process of committing national suicide. And it is primarily due to LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

33 posted on 12/13/2012 5:32:07 PM PST by kabar
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