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Cops use Taser on woman buying too many iPhones
wcvb.com ^ | 12-13-2012 | staff

Posted on 12/13/2012 11:45:40 AM PST by servo1969

NEWTON, Mass. —

A local family says a language barrier may have resulted in police using a Taser on a woman after she tried to buy too many iPhones at a local mall. Police, however, say the incident isn't that clear cut.

Xiaojie Li, of Newton, said she is embarrassed by Monday's Pheasant Lane Mall in New Hampshire incident.

"So my mom says she don't know why they called the police, because she doesn't understand what they are talking about," her 12-year-old daughter Jiao Jay said.

Jay said her mother bought two iPhones last Friday, and was told that was the limit. When she took video of others she claimed were buying more, the store manager asked her to leave.

The confrontation involving the Taser happened when Li went to the store on Monday to pick up two iPhones she ordered online.

"The management of the store asked us to have her removed. The officer approached her, told her she wasn't welcome in the store, and she refused to leave," Nashua Police Capt. Bruce Hansen said.

Police say the store had issued a stay-away order against Li.

"Two days prior to that, she had been asked to leave the store by store personnel for doing something that they didn't want," Hansen said, referring to Li's photographing other customers in the store.

A video posted on YouTube shows Li and police officers on the floor outside the Apple store at the Nashua mall. The crackle of the Taser and Li's screams can be heard on the video.

"She was scared, she didn't understand," said John Hugo, who said he was Li's fiance'. "I was outraged. You go into a store, and you end up getting brutalized by the police."

Hansen said the woman had been resisting arrest for about 15 minutes before a second officer arrived at the scene.

"So then the police took my mom's phone and tried to take my mom's bag. And my mom tried to ask them why, and they just threw her to the ground," Jay said.

The 44-year-old mother of two was charged with trespassing and resisting arrest.

"My mom feel really upset with what they did," Jay said.

Nashua police see the situation differently.

"She wasn't mistreated in any way. If she left the store when she was told to leave the store, it would've been done at that. She was told she was under arrest after repeatedly being told to leave the store. She didn't submit to the arrest. The officer used the Taser on her to get her to submit to the arrest," Hansen said.

According to Nashua police policy, Tasers may be used "when the subject has signaled his/her intention to actively resist arrest in an aggressive, hostile manner or when a need arises to incapacitate a dangerous, combative, or high risk subject where other use of force techniques exposes the officer, the subject or the public to unnecessary danger, or when other force techniques have been or may be ineffective."

The policy continues, "The weapon is a level of force normally required to overcome passive, defensive, or offensive resistance that is intended as an act of overt aggression toward the officer where an individual refuses to comply with verbal instructions."

Li will be in court in January.


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What do you guys think?

Cultural misunderstanding?

Overly eager cops?

Or is this just another case of 'woman who thinks she doesn't have to obey police and starts hitting them'?
I don't know. I've seen a lot of cases of women catching an attitude with cops.
As in "I'm a woman! -pull away- I don't have to do what you say! -swing- Let go of me! -slap-"
1 posted on 12/13/2012 11:45:49 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

I bet the Apple store has video that will tell the tale, either way. And I can see it going either way.


2 posted on 12/13/2012 11:49:04 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: servo1969
Tasers may be used "when the subject has signaled his/her intention to actively resist arrest in an aggressive, hostile manner or when a need arises to incapacitate a dangerous, combative, or high risk subject where other use of force techniques exposes the officer, the subject or the public to unnecessary danger, or when other force techniques have been or may be ineffective."

There's probably an app for that.

3 posted on 12/13/2012 11:58:57 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: servo1969

self entitled ‘immigrant’ who speaks NO useable English and is upset because she can’t get anyone to accommodate her demands. I am sooooo sick of this type of crap I could vomit. If you don’t want to learn English as used in the US then stay the hell wherever you are....you are no longer welcome


4 posted on 12/13/2012 12:00:24 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Uh, right click and taze...


5 posted on 12/13/2012 12:02:59 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: servo1969

"How I'm gonna git MY phone if dat b* buy five phones!?
Rich b* think she sumfin special? Gonna buy five phones!
Maaaaaan, my boi Obama set dat b* right puttin dem cops down on hurh!"

6 posted on 12/13/2012 12:03:18 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: servo1969

No cops taser an annoying woman who to is too selfish to learn English and does not understand the word no.


7 posted on 12/13/2012 12:03:35 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Nifster
I know people whose families who've lived here for centuries longer than your family has, and they're tired of YOUR crap.

Maybe it's your family that should stay away, or get out.
8 posted on 12/13/2012 12:09:22 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: servo1969
First thing;

The officer approached her, told her she wasn't welcome in the store, and she refused to leave,"

That is the crux of the whole mess. I have experience with a customer's behavior of this sort. If the police are called and they hear you ask the customer to leave and the customer refuses for any reason, the customer is now trespassing and the police will remove the customer. Period.

Second thing;

There are 11 references to "the store" in the article. But only one reference to "the Apple store" and that one does not come until the seventh time that the location of the incident is mentioned.

Why would WCVB hesitate to use the words "Apple store" and then only once out of 11 times the location is even mentioned? Trying to limit bad press for the Apple Co.? Just askin'.

9 posted on 12/13/2012 12:09:27 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: servo1969

No iPhone for you!


10 posted on 12/13/2012 12:12:40 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (By doubting we come to inquiry, and through inquiry we perceive truth. -; Peter Abelard)
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To: LibWhacker
Probably hitting it square on the head except before the 'b' word she'd be saying "asian" ~ and then the cops would do that too, and no wonder she buys stuff over the net ~

Most likely a store employee misidentified her as a Big China resident, and Apple has a policy on NOT selling stuff to foreigners who live outside the area where they can and will provide warranty service for i-phones ~ and other stuff.

Sounds like she was a US resident.

BTW, the very devices she was purchasing are made in Big China, and as a result there's not a manager or sales geek in the company who will refuse to sell them what they ask for. If they need hacked to work in China, that service is readily available there.

The cops probably don't have a clue in this one, but folks who've been thinking about shopping in the store in Newton probably ought to go somewhere else.

11 posted on 12/13/2012 12:13:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Oztrich Boy

Every conman carries at least 3 different phones on him; one legit, one set up in a fake business name to scam people and one for the other girlfriend...maybe she was buying them or her accomplices...: )


12 posted on 12/13/2012 12:18:05 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I was buying some stuff at a Best Buy with a US Government credit card. They are not supposed to be photocopied. The security guy got upset when I told him to NOT photocopy the card ~ it says right on the card DO NOT COPY.

Next thing I know this guy threatens me with the cops. I started dialing for the Postal Inspectors. Then, I walked off leaving the several thousand dollars worth of product sitting there.

The next day was Monday and I called Best Buy headquarters and told them the problem. Their security puke was GONE FOR GOOD that evening. Guy never came back. Probably had no idea what hit him. Fur Shur if he hadn't given me the card back I'd called the fibbies next ~ and they have a jump out team within half a mile ~ probably gone in there and shot the place up ~ stealing those cards is a big deal to the federales!

13 posted on 12/13/2012 12:20:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

They’re not going to shop elsewhere for NH has no sales tax. Which is why the Massholes are there to begin with.

The lady was there on Friday and caused such a scene she was given a “stay away” order and told not to come back.

She came back on Monday anyhow, ignoring the order, and when she wouldn’t leave the store called the cops to enforce the order.

When she wouldn’t leave for the cops they tased her.

Sounds like she got what she deserved.


14 posted on 12/13/2012 12:23:57 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: jsanders2001

Or maybe she was Christmas shopping for her friends and family. I don’t know, which do you think is more likely?


15 posted on 12/13/2012 12:34:33 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: servo1969

she’s lucky, if the cops thought she ate dog for lunch they might have shot her with a real gun figuring the dog was making her act up.


16 posted on 12/13/2012 12:47:11 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: servo1969

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


17 posted on 12/13/2012 12:55:53 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: servo1969
She was tasered for not following instructions,.... not buying IPhones. When you resist the cops, you get the cops. This is what they are for. If you are in my store and I want you to leave and you don't, the cops will remove you.

This is a principle that used to be respected, but today, everyone seems to have some sort of law degree that disagrees with that. Don't argue with cops, argue with the judge in court. The cop will hurt you and he can't judge the case on the spot. She should have just bought Samsung or went to another store with a straw buyer. Don't resist arrest.

PS. Just as an aside, my daughter is a Sheriff Deputy that is working the Keystone Pipeline security in Texas. She is having a blast arresting these idiots imported from all around the country that have been coached on how to harass the police. She loves it when she puts them in jail and then they find out she works the jail after guard duty at night. They start to regret all the cussing and spitting they did the day before. LOL!!

18 posted on 12/13/2012 12:57:32 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Nifster

To hell with your attitude, the cops are the enemy, don’t forget it. They’ll shoot your dog, electrocute your retarded child and anything else they have equipment for.

They are dressed up like rambo wannabees and can’t wait to use their steriod hyped equipment.

I’m sick of them, to hell with cops.


19 posted on 12/13/2012 1:03:09 PM PST by Carl from Marietta
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To: righttackle44
Maybe it's your family that should stay away, or get out.

A whole lot of talk and no action. Lots of hot air, but nothing of substance. Maybe it's time everyone settles all of this once and for all and stops trash talking. All of you talk big words, but do nothing at all. You are a bunch of anonymous cowards hiding behind computer screens. If you're not going to do anything, then be quiet.

20 posted on 12/13/2012 1:03:36 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rolling_stone
Hansen said the woman had been resisting arrest for about 15 minutes before a second officer arrived at the scene.

The store asked her to leave. She refused. The store called the cops so there is more time where she refused to leave before the cops arrived. The first cop is then on the scene and she resists arrest for 15 minutes. The second cop arrives and after even more time she was finally tased. Seems to me the cops were bending voer backwards for her. The judge should sentence her to the max jail time and then add another 5 years of not coming within a hundred yards of a cell phone.

21 posted on 12/13/2012 1:13:10 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: bmwcyle

A 100 pound 44 year old Chinese woman should be easily controlled with minimal arm twisting, until she is in cuffs. There should never be a need to taser her.

Was the cop was also a 100 pound woman?


22 posted on 12/13/2012 1:20:14 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: chuckles

“She was tasered for not following instructions,.... not buying IPhones. When you resist the cops, you get the cops. This is what they are for. If you are in my store and I want you to leave and you don’t, the cops will remove you.”

The question I have is, the article seemed to indicate that she had already paid for the iphone online, was she given the property she paid for? If not what is the procedure for obtaining that which you rightfully own?

“This is a principle that used to be respected, but today, everyone seems to have some sort of law degree that disagrees with that. Don’t argue with cops, argue with the judge in court. The cop will hurt you and he can’t judge the case on the spot.”

This I think is a bit unfortunate, I think there are many cases particular in the small towns where the on seen police officer should be able to make a judgement on the spot. Most crimes are generally obvious(Even if this one wasn’t), if the officer is wrong than you can still fall back on a trial with judge or jury. But given the great costs of a trail, we should desire to avoid that as much as possible.

Police officers should not be “dumb” force, they should have minds & judgement of their own to help resolve simple & obvious cases out of court.

“She should have just bought Samsung or went to another store with a straw buyer. Don’t resist arrest.”

Not being a Mac fan I can agree with that. ;)


23 posted on 12/13/2012 1:39:58 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

A whole lot of talk and no action. Lots of hot air, but nothing of substance. Maybe it’s time everyone settles all of this once and for all and stops trash talking. All of you talk big words, but do nothing at all. You are a bunch of anonymous cowards hiding behind computer screens. If you’re not going to do anything, then be quiet.

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And if you don’t, MeneMeneTekelUpharsin is gonna post something really, really mean.


24 posted on 12/13/2012 1:40:48 PM PST by dmz
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To: righttackle44

hard to have that knowledge since you have zero idea of what my family heritage is

and you can go be self righteous with someone else


25 posted on 12/13/2012 1:46:36 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Carl from Marietta

so the lefties have finally convinced you that the police are the bad guys..... mores the shame


26 posted on 12/13/2012 1:48:30 PM PST by Nifster
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To: VeniVidiVici

They’re not going to shop elsewhere for NH has no sales tax. Which is why the Massholes are there to begin with.


I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK! *chuckle*

There’s another reason some “Massholes” buy phones in NH. The drooling microcephalic slack-lipped mongoloid idiots in the state house passed a law that MA residents pay tax on the full MSRP of phones even if they’re discounted.

A friend of mine calls that “expanding our shopping radius.”

HTH, HAND,
Peet


27 posted on 12/13/2012 1:51:17 PM PST by Peet (Alles hat ein Ende nur die Wurst zwei hat. (Monroe in "Grimm"))
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To: servo1969

This kind of thread, invariably, brings out reflexive responses from the cop-haters. You know the type: the ones who talk sh#t from afar! I was always told that you’ve got bring @$$ to whup @$$. Anyone dumb enough to resist a cop deserves their lumps. It ain’t like she was asserting her Constitutional rights! She was being a dumbass!


28 posted on 12/13/2012 1:51:23 PM PST by old school
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To: servo1969

Is it true that others were buying more than 2 phones?


29 posted on 12/13/2012 1:57:08 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: old school
She was being a dumbass!


30 posted on 12/13/2012 1:58:40 PM PST by Peet (Alles hat ein Ende nur die Wurst zwei hat. (Monroe in "Grimm"))
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To: servo1969

Based on the limited info in the article, I side with the woman picking up her online order of 2 phones.

The percentage of bad Cops is analogous to the percentage of bad Muslims. It is a safe bet that the cops were wrong.


31 posted on 12/13/2012 2:11:52 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: servo1969

Thug Nation getting carried away or what? the store doesn’t want the business.. maybe apple ought to drop their store..

btw,, why would anyone expect some police to be any different than union thugs considering the state of the nation as is, they are in unions too so.. sorry the lady learned a hard lesson. android would be a smart move for her.

(ducks and dons tazer proof mesh)


32 posted on 12/13/2012 2:12:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Nifster

I don;t know what state you live in,, but the populace here is full of communication issues.. you work thru it and deal with it,, but tasering folks shopping, come on.. Welcome to FR, btw.


33 posted on 12/13/2012 2:14:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: muawiyah

This is my local Apple store. They DO have a daily limit on purchases of popular items, and the staff does their best to enforce it. They don’t pay any attention to who the customer is or where he is from. Two phones per person per day, if stock is available.

They have to deal with “regulars” who come in nearly every day, buy the limit (usually for cash), and turn them over to an “organizer” outside the store. The staff doesn’t try to control what happens outside the store, but they are aware of it. At very busy times, they limit how many people come into the store at once. Sometimes the “regulars” get pretty obnoxious, trying to sneak in ahead of their turn.


34 posted on 12/13/2012 2:14:40 PM PST by Jordo
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To: servo1969

I’m confused about the store. They don’t want to sell merchandise!?! Fine, I won’t buy any of the crap you’re selling.


35 posted on 12/13/2012 2:15:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: NormsRevenge

I lurked for a long tie before joining.

The story doesn’t how long the woman has been in the states. She is 44 and has a name that sounds very Chinese but say it is anywhere in the Pacific Rim Asiatic states......It changes not my statement. It was nt the first time the woman had problems at the store. I have run into some immigrants (legal and illegal) who speak and understand English (may not be perfect but it is more than good enough to get by) but as soon as it suits them they feign ignorance...no comprende. Oh I don’t understand. The truth is that if the person is that non functional in the host countries language they need someone to go with them to the store. They also need to get enrolled in English language classes

Try any of this in France or Greece or Russia or China or Mexico....if you are in part of the country that does not speak your language it is darned easy to find someone else who will translate for you.

I am tired of having the US borders, language, and culture treated like trash just so we can be PC. Learn our language or leave. That is not an unreasonable request of those who come here and want to live here


36 posted on 12/13/2012 2:27:51 PM PST by Nifster
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To: NormsRevenge

There are certain towns in California where English is not spoken at all. No wonder VDH calls it Mexifornia. So enjoy yourself in your once golden state


37 posted on 12/13/2012 2:30:11 PM PST by Nifster
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To: TigersEye

Like most Apple stores, this one sells out of iPhones essentially every day.

Before they had the daily limit, the same group of “regulars” would be waiting every morning, and would buy all the iPhones/iPads as soon as the store doors opened. This would continue for months, until supply caught up with demand. Ordinary folks waited in the line outside for the mall to open, and found that the “regulars” were already lined up at the Apple store. Someone lets them into the mall early.

The per-person limit cramps their style somewhat, since they have to hire a bunch of associates to reserve phones and stand in line en mass. It makes it easier for regular folks to buy merchandise.

The staff in the store doesn’t care who buys the phones. They don’t make commission, and they can count on selling out every shipment that arrives. They DO have the normal, justified desire to minimize their interactions with obnoxious customers. This woman must have behaved pretty badly if they asked her to leave and not come back. I don’t know if this woman was one of the “regulars”, but the story indicates that it wasn’t her first visit to the store.


38 posted on 12/13/2012 2:31:20 PM PST by Jordo
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To: Jordo

That’s the free market. F that store.


39 posted on 12/13/2012 2:33:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Jordo
There's no sense holding back on a sale ~ Apple gets the profit on the initial sale. Saving up product to sell to late comers is, of course, UN CHRISTIAN!

It's also UN BUDDHIST and Steve Jobs, in life, was a Buddhist ~ think he attended a dojo where I know some folks.

I suspect the problem isn't one of having stock on hand for 'murican customers ~ more like trying to enforce the sale to foreigners restriction ~ which is just a guideline ~ nothing you would be tazering a customer over.

We've had the top selling Apple store near here for years and they've never tazered anyone.

40 posted on 12/13/2012 3:02:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Monorprise
One would think that somebody from China would jump when somebody in a police uniform told them to move, to avoid a bullet in the back of the head.

Perhaps she grew up as the daughter of some Party official and thought cops were servants whose orders did not apply to her?

41 posted on 12/13/2012 3:17:27 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Nifster

She was literate enough to use the internet. I hope she gets a refund.

as to getting folks assimilated and educated as to ‘our ways’,, Good Luck.

Was communicating that vital to this incident that a weapon had to be used? frankly, I’m more concerned over the use of the taser. them things are deadly in more than a few cases yet we’re told it beats using a billy club.. Oh well..

I live in the bay area where the more iphones one buys , the better for the local economy and China’s too. strange world, huh?


42 posted on 12/13/2012 3:45:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: servo1969

You might be on to something with that observation...

Watch this:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=938_1355379584


43 posted on 12/13/2012 3:57:25 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: muawiyah

Good grief. The store didn’t taser anyone. The police tasered her outside of the store. And not because she “bought too many iPhones”, she resisted arrest.

The folks in the store, in every case I’ve seen, are extremely professional with the horde of sometimes obnoxious jerks who hound them nearly every morning. As I said, I don’t know if this woman was part of the usual crowd. But I’ve seen the crowd in action and I have little sympathy for them.

Well, your suspicion is wrong in this case. The store sells tons of stuff every day to foreigners. The daily quota policy is well known and seems to be enforced fairly. They DON’T ask people to leave if they look foreign, they DON’T refuse to sell to foreigners, and they DON’T reserve stock for any particular group. If you reserve ahead of time online, you can pick up what you’ve reserved when it arrives. If you walk in off the street, they have a daily limit.

I don’t know what this woman did to get removed, but I guess it was well beyond typical angry customer stuff. I’ve seen the staff handle upset customers a time or two, without incident.

Do you think a store should allow a disruptive customer to remain in the premises indefinitely, making the staff and the other customers miserable? Should a store be prohibited from asking someone to leave? When the staff asked her to leave, she should have gone. When the police told her to leave, she really should have gone.


44 posted on 12/13/2012 4:02:21 PM PST by Jordo
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To: Jordo
Apple has a well known but not heavily enforced dicta regarding sales to foreigners. If you come from someplace their warranties don't cover, they discourage you buying it.

Apple warranties differ from place to place ~ China is one of those places they don't cover ~ but the Chines manufactur Apple products.

BTW, you call the cops, no matter what happens, you have a moral responsibility for your own call.

45 posted on 12/13/2012 4:08:35 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TigersEye

“That’s the free market. F that store.”

The free market requires a willing buyer and a willing seller. The store was willing to sell her two phones, if we believe the story. (Dunno if we SHOULD believe the story, since it’s under a pretty misleading headline.) After she caused trouble, the store wasn’t willing to do business with her and asked her to leave. That’s the free market too.

Maybe she should shop in a different store. There are at least 3 Apple stores closer to her home than the one she was causing trouble at.


46 posted on 12/13/2012 4:14:28 PM PST by Jordo
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To: Jordo

Yep! F that store.


47 posted on 12/13/2012 4:19:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: chuckles
PS. Just as an aside, my daughter is a Sheriff Deputy that is working the Keystone Pipeline security in Texas. She is having a blast arresting these idiots imported from all around the country that have been coached on how to harass the police. She loves it when she puts them in jail and then they find out she works the jail after guard duty at night. They start to regret all the cussing and spitting they did the day before. LOL!!

Please share. What does she do that is so funny? She would never be doing anything unprofessional or illegal, would she?

48 posted on 12/13/2012 4:21:35 PM PST by southern rock
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To: muawiyah

Please provide some evidence for this “well-known” Apple policy. I can’t find it. I’ve learned that a lot of “well-known” stuff isn’t actually true.

Your claim assumes the staff in the store has some way to know where customers come from. They’ve never asked me any questions about that. They’ve never asked for ID. I’ve seen this store sell stacks of popular items — literally more than a person could carry — to “foreign looking” customers.

Your claim contradicts several years of my personal experience to the contrary, so forgive me if I’m skeptical.


49 posted on 12/13/2012 4:24:05 PM PST by Jordo
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To: FreedomPoster

So the STORE issued a stay away order? Is that legal? Could the store per se issue a stay away order for all blacks or long haired teenagers???

It is Apple after all...


50 posted on 12/13/2012 4:26:24 PM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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