The Leader of the Never Surrender Wing

RUSH: Do you know, in addition to me being responsible for your state of panic over the fiscal cliff, I lead the Never Surrender Wing of the GOP. This is Norman Ornstein last night on the Charlie Rose Show. Norman Ornstein, the American Enterprise Institute resident scholar, and they were talking about the Republican Party. Charlie Rose said, "Is Boehner less afraid of his caucus than he has been in the past?"

ORNSTEIN: You've got groups like those led by Rush Limbaugh saying never give up, never surrender, we didn't do anything wrong, they'll come to us. You've got others saying, all we gotta do is flip the switch on immigration, turn amnesty from a four-letter word to a seven letter word and everything else will stay the same. And then you've got the pragmatists saying we've got a different political environment now, and we've gotta change our message, and that not just the words, but some of the context of it. Boehner is really in that group, along with people like Jeb Bush and Haley Barbour. And there are gonna be a lot of forces, though, who want to see that group fail.

RUSH: Well, this is his description of the factions fighting within the Republican Party. And he's just described the establishment GOP, which apparently is able and willing to sit by and watch themselves evaporate into extinction. Because he says, "Well, you know, you got Boehner. You got pragmatists. It's a different political environment now! We gotta change our message, gotta change who we are. Not just the words, but some of the content."

In other words, we have to stop being Republicans, gotta stop being conservatives. We gotta stop being Classic Coke and we gotta screw up our recipe and become something nobody recognizes or wants or likes. That's what we gotta do. That's what Ornstein says, and that's what the smart people in our party are doing. I (leading the Neanderthal, Never Surrender Wing) am saying, "There's nothing to change. We didn't do anything wrong. We don't stand for anything wrong."

The problem is that we have people who don't know how to articulate it, don't know how to express it, maybe because they aren't conservatives. And then you've got this third group saying, "Yeah, just come out for amnesty and everything will be okay, and then come out for abortion and everything will be okay." I think what this does, this sound bite proves what I have been saying since the middle last week.

And that is: What is underway here is an all-out, full-court press to get the Republicans to confess that tax cuts -- and maybe more than tax cuts. Not just tax cuts, but conservatism is the reason we're in this mess. "Tax cuts for the rich! Focus on the individual, liberty, freedom! That's why we're in this mess. That's why the unemployment rate's still high. That's why we're in a recession," and here Norman Ornstein is praising that faction of the Republican Party.

Essentially the pressure is now on for them to confess. By that I mean admit that what they have believed all along is wrong. That's what he wants. And he says these are the guys that get it. It's a different political environment now. Change our message 'cause we were wrong -- and not just the words, 'cause the words were wrong, but the context 'cause the context was wrong.

"Boehner gets it. Boehner knows the Republican Party been wrong. Jeb Bush knows the Republican Party has been wrong. Haley Barbour knows THE Republican Party's been wrong." This is what Ornstein means. And, of course, how do we get out from underneath this? We admit it! "We admit we blew it. We screwed up. We and our policies caused this. Will you love us now?" And then out there you have the Never Surrender Wing led by me, and I'm the problem.

And the Never Surrender Wing, we're the blockheads. We're the Neanderthals. We're the ones that are saying, 'We didn't do anything wrong. None this is our fault," and as such, we ostensibly pose the problem. And you're in the Never Surrender Wing, too. I mean, if you're here you're either just a curious liberal looking for some thrills or you're a member of the New Castrati hoping and praying than that something overcomes me and I become one of you.

Or you're one of us of the Never Surrender Wing. So you're in that group, too. The middle group... I don't think there is a middle group, actually. The group that wants to say, "Okay, you know what? We're for amnesty." That's the pragmatist group. I'm proud of this. I am proud, ladies and gentlemen, to be the leader. I didn't know I was, but I'm proud to be the leader of the Never Surrender Wing.

So next up, Charlie Rose and Ornstein discuss Rubio. And they say that Rubio has the ability to satisfy you and me in the Never Surrender Wing and still do amnesty and save the GOP. Rubio is the one guy that can do this. Let's listen to the bite. Charlie Rose said, "You know who's interesting on the Republican side in terms of presidential aspirants is Marco Rubio."

ORNSTEIN: -- keeping those conservatives, uh, of the never-give-up, never-surrender category, while also reaching out to those moderates. And this is gonna be a very interesting test. Can you walk that tightrope or walk through that minefield and have success? I think he may be the leader who's able to reach an agreement on an immigration bill, and that will give him a big impetus forward.

ORNSTEIN: But whether he can navigate through the fiscal matters, but also some of these social matters after he, you know, fell a little bit flat by suggesting that he didn't know how old the earth was. Uh, that, uh, shows us that, uh, he's got a little work to do.

RUSH: Oh, gee whiz! See, I knew it! This is the same thing they did to Romney. It's the same thing as when George Stephanopoulos asked that question about contraception (when nobody was talking about it, thinking about it, caring about it) on January 16th at a Republican primary debate. That gave birth on the War on Women. A GQ, I think it was, magazine reporter asked Rubio how old do you think the earth is.

Rubio's commented on it before, but the reason for that question is, you see, that fundamentalist, backwoods, hayseed, hick, stupid, hillbilly pro-lifers think the earth is 10,000 years old because it says so in the Bible. Everybody else who's enlightened and smart and brilliant and open-minded believes the earth is billions and billions and billions and billions of years old.

So this question to Rubio, "How old do you think the earth is?" is a trap question. And Rubio said, "Well, that's a question for scientists to answer." I thought his answer was okay, but they accused him of dodging it and trying to have it both ways on it. I didn't even remember that but see, here's Ornstein, a big political scientist. Now Rubio's got the how-old-is-the-earth-question problem. Yeah, right. See? It's always something. Rubio has the how-old-the-earth-is problem.

His answer was identical to Obama's. Identical to Obama's. But, see, Obama arrives with the imprimatur that he's smart. He went to Harvard and all that. Yale, wherever the hell he went. Columbia. I think he went to all of them. And so, anyway, it's Rubio. He can do the dance. He can keep those of us in a Never Surrender Wing happy by surrendering on immigration (hee-hee-hee-hee) and whatever else.

No.
There is a correct Biblical answer to the age of the earth.

A Perfect Creation Becomes Ruined!

We have learned that two all-knowing, all-powerful, all-perfect Superbeings have existed from eternity—possessing supreme mind and creative power. These two divine Beings, composing the nucleus of the God Family, created the entire universe, including man.

Just as human beings think, plan and design before starting to build or construct, so these two Superbeings thought, planned and designed the entire creation. There was no hurry. They may have thought and planned for many millions (or even billions) of years, as we count time, before the actual creation.

But these two Supreme Beings first designed and created the angels, which are invisible to human eyes. God created these spirit beings before creating planet earth, the home or "habitation" (Jude 6) for at least a third of the angels. The angels were so filled with joy and happiness that they "sang together" and "shouted for joy" when the earth was created (Job 38:7).

1. In addition to the creation of angels, the earth and the heavens, did God also create governmental administrations? Col. 1:16.

COMMENT: The Bible reveals that God placed the great archangel Lucifer on a throne on earth to administer God’s government over the angels who were placed here. God’s Law, by which Lucifer was to rule, is a way of life. It is the way of love—outgoing concern for the welfare of others— the way of peace, harmony, helping, serving, sharing.

2. Did Lucifer continue to administer God’s government on earth according to God’s Law? Or did he rebel and thereby sin greatly? Ezek. 28:12-15; Isa. 14:12-14. (The "king of Tyrus," as succeeding verses in Ezekiel 28 show, refers to Lucifer, now Satan, the evil spirit being who inspired the human "prince of Tyrus"—verse 2.) Who followed Lucifer in his rebellion? Rev. 12:3-4.

COMMENT: The archangel Lucifer rebelled against God. Instead of continuing to administer the government of God on earth, he became a traitor. In his rebellion, one-third of all the angels followed him in his unsuccessful attempt to invade and take over God’s headquarters in heaven and dethrone the very Creator God Himself! Lucifer was renamed "Satan," which means "adversary," and the angels who followed him in this attempted coup became "demons."

3. Did the beautiful and majestic earth become waste and empty, chaotic and in confusion as a result of Lucifer’s sin? Gen. 1:2.

COMMENT: The Hebrew words for "without form and void" are tohu and bohu, which mean "chaotic and in confusion," "waste and empty."

The words tohu and bohu are also used in Jeremiah 4:23, Isaiah 24:10 and Isaiah 34:11. In each of these scriptures the condition of chaos and confusion was a result of sin.

4. In Genesis 1:2 we find the earth in chaos and confusion. Is that the way God created it? Isa. 45:18.

COMMENT: The Hebrew word translated "in vain" in Isaiah 45:18 is tohu. This is the identical word used in Genesis 1:2, meaning confusion, emptiness or waste—in this case a result of rebellion against God’s government and His Law.

In Isaiah 45:18 we have the plain statement that God created the earth NOT "tohu," that is, NOT in confusion, Not in disorder. But in Genesis 1:2, the earth "was," or the earth became—as it ought to be translated—chaotic and in confusion!

5. What does Genesis 19:26 tell us that further proves the earth became something it was not when originally created by God?

COMMENT: The same Hebrew word translated "was" in Genesis 1:2 is translated "became" in Genesis 19:26. There it clearly refers to a changed condition. So the word "was" in Genesis 1:2 denotes a condition that was different from a former condition. In other words, the earth "became" something it had not always been before. The Rotherham translation of Genesis 1:2 reads as follows: "Now the earth had become waste and wild." It hadn’t always been that way!

God did not create the earth in a state of confusion, topsy-turvy and chaotic. I Corinthians 14:33 states that "God is not the author of confusion." But the devil is! God is the author of peace, of order and of law.

God would not have created the earth in disorder, chaos and in confusion just to straighten it out. That doesn’t make sense!

6. After the destruction of the earth’s surface resulting from the sin of the angels, did God then recreate the surface of the earth and make it habitable for plant, animal and human life? Ps. 104:30. Also read the entire first chapter of Genesis, noticing especially verse 26.

COMMENT: After Lucifer’s rebellion caused the ruination of a perfect earth, God set out to renew the surface of the earth, making it a place fit for human life.

God then undertook the most stupendous creation of all—that of reproducing Himself through human beings! The ultimate creation of God Beings as members of His divine Family, superior to angels, will be the crowning pinnacle of God’s creative power—the zenith of all divine accomplishment!

God reproducing Himself is a project so transcendently and incredibly awesome it is hard for the human mind to grasp. The great God—who is self-existent, before all else, Creator of all else—is in the process of reproducing Himself, creating what will ultimately be millions of others like Himself. God’s Sons will each be divine, powerful and perfect in character—each by his own free choice perfectly like-minded with the Father, having so set himself that he will not—cannot—sin! (I John 3:9.)

To accomplish this incredibly awesome feat, God first made man from the dust of the ground in His own "likeness." This was so that humans, upon God’s call to repentance and begettal by the Holy Spirit, could begin to develop the character of God while still flesh and blood. Then, at the resurrection, they will be changed to immortality and given powerful spirit-composed bodies like that of the Creator God Himself!

7. After God’s plan for humanity is complete, will He then create new heavens and a new earth? Isa. 65:17; Rev. 21:1-5.

COMMENT: The chaos caused by Lucifer’s rebellion can be seen throughout our solar system. Apparently the rest of our galaxy and the entire universe have been affected as well. But God will one day make all things new!

In the meantime, God has made the earth a habitable place for man. Yet, He has allowed the devastation, clearly visible on other planets (as evidenced by photos of pockmarked landscapes taken by deep space probes) and in space debris, to remain as mute testimony to the results of sin—of going contrary to God’s government and His way of life.

8. Did Isaiah clearly indicate that the government of God will expand not only on the earth, but eventually to other parts of our galaxy and even throughout the universe? Isa. 9:6-7.

COMMENT: God promises there will be no end to the increase of His government! Peace, harmony, happiness and eternal joy will spread throughout the universe.

But only those who develop God’s righteous character and are born into His divine Family will become part of His government, prophesied to soon be restored on this earth.

The correct Biblical answer is

"Read the Bible and find out."

Unless you believe that Jesus Christ is he (the only God and the only Savior there is--Isaiah 43:10,11 and John 8:24), you shall die in your sins.

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)

He who? The only Savior and God there is.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and besides me there is no Saviour. (Isaiah 43:10,11)

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (Isaiah 44:6)

Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. (Isaiah 44:8b)

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:5,6)

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:18--one of the verses you misapply.)

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:22)

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.(Revelation 22:12,13)

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. (Revelation 21:3)

Revelation says we remain men and He will be our God, the only God there is. Anyone who adds to or takes away from the words of the prophecy of this book (Revelation of Jesus Christ) will be eternally damned. (Revelation 22:18,19)

Ponder this:

Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line;
here a little, and there a little:

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said,
This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest;
and this is the refreshing:
yet THEY WOULD NOT HEAR.

But the word of the LORD was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line;
here a little, and there a little;
that they might go , and fall backward,
and be broken, and snared, and TAKEN .

Wherefore
HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Because ye have said,
We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Therefore
THUS SAITH THE Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,
a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
he that believeth shall not make haste.

Judgment also will I lay to the line,
and righteousness to the plummet:
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

And your covenant with death shall be disannulled ,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
then YE SHALL BE TRODDEN DOWN by it.

Yes, there is an answer to the question"How old is the earth?" that is Biblical
But you must remember:

Answer NOT a fool according to his folly,
LEST thou also be like unto him.
ANSWER a fool according to his folly,
LEST he be wise in his own conceit.

So, let's take a closer look at this.

As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest,
so honour is not seemly for a fool.
As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying,
so the curse causeless shall not come.
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest thou also be like unto him.
Answer a fool according to his folly,
lest he be wise in his own conceit.
He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool
cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage.
The legs of the lame are not equal:
so is a parable in the mouth of fools.
As he that bindeth a stone in a sling,
so is he that giveth honour to a fool.
As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard,
so is a parable in the mouth of fools.
The great God that formed all things
both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
As a dog returneth to his vomit,
so a fool returneth to his folly.
Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit?
There is more hope of a fool than of him.

So,

"How old is the earth?"

Go READ THE BIBLE and find out.

Not one of these references have you rebutted. The proof is there, yet you choose to attack the messenger, rather than debate the subject.

You are the one who doesn't want to engage. You haven't provided anything which counters the scriptures I have given you that shows there is only one God, not many "God beings."

Here is the critical heresy from your ealier post:

These two divine Beings, composing the nucleus of the God Family, created the entire universe, including man...God then undertook the most stupendous creation of all—that of reproducing Himself through human beings! The ultimate creation of God Beings as members of His divine Family, superior to angels, will be the crowning pinnacle of God’s creative power—the zenith of all divine accomplishment!

This is from the intro and point 6. This is NOT what the Bible says. I gave you seven (7) clear verses that God is one God, not two or more "God beings". The Bible never uses this language. Isaiah says there is one God: there are none before him and there will be none after him. Humans beings will not become God beings (Gods).

The Berean Call authors remind us:

The lie that brought about the fall of man was “Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil” (Gn 3:5). In sharp contrast to this heresy, the God of the Bible declares, “that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Is 43:10).

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today and forever.

"You haven't provided anything which counters the scriptures I have given you that shows
there is only one God, not many "God beings.""

I have very little patience with you, ye under the deception of Satan.
WHO do you think was speaking when Jesus was baptized , that spoke and said ( ? )

" This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased "

WHO do you think was speaking when

WHO said, out of a cloud ( ? )

" This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him "

WHO is "THE FATHER" that Peter wrote of "when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory" ( ? ) saying

" This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased "

THESE "God beings" are "one" in the sense that they are of the same mind, and of the same spirit.

WHO ARE "the Word" and the other "God Being" that was WITH "the Word" spoken of by John when he wrote

" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God.
The same was in the beginning with God. "

Well ye under the deception of Satan, how do you confuse that one?

"Here is the critical heresy from your ealier post:
These two divine Beings, composing the nucleus of the God Family, created the entire universe, including man...God then undertook the most stupendous creation of all—that of reproducing Himself through human beings! The ultimate creation of God Beings as members of His divine Family, superior to angels, will be the crowning pinnacle of God’s creative power—the zenith of all divine accomplishment!
This is from the intro and point 6. This is NOT what the Bible says. "

Okay ye under the deception of Satan, what is God talking about when He says through the Bible ( ? ):

here

" what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the SONS of God:
therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him;
for we shall see him as he is. "

here

" Now this I say , brethren, that flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery;
We shall not all sleep , but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality. "

here

" Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him:
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. "

Have you any thought of the difference between "Begotten" and "Born" ?

And finally, the word "MANY" ?

"not many "God beings."
" ...God then undertook the most stupendous creation of all—that of that of reproducing Himself through human beings! "

Explain this :

" But as MANY as received him, TO THEM gave he power TO BECOME the sons of God, even TO THEM that believe on his name:"

Explain this :

" For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, THEY ARE the sons of God. "

Now give those verses some very serious thought.

you be caught

" This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips;
but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. "

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