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Posted on 12/13/2012 5:20:46 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
A longtime substitute teacher in Phillipsburg, NJ, faces a 90-day suspension after he was accused of sharing a Bible verse with a student and then giving the child a Bible.
The Phillipsburg School Board said Walter Tutka broke two policies distributing religious literature on school grounds and another policy that directs teachers to be neutral when discussing religious material. The controversy has generated outrage among the regions religious community with many claiming that Tutka is being persecuted for simply being a Christian. The electrical company retiree is a well-respected member of the community.
Just remember, son, Tutka told the tardy student, The first shall be last but the last shall be first. A few days later the student asked about the origins of the quote. Tutka told him it was in the Bible. Over the next few weeks, the young student asked about a half dozen times where the quote was from in the Bible, Imhof told Fox News. Walt kept forgetting to look it up. On Oct. 12th, Tutka was eating lunch in the cafeteria when the student approached and brought up the Bible verse. So Tutka took out his Bible and showed the student the verse. At some point the student mentioned that he did not have a Bible. Walt basically said, would you like mine? Imhof said. The student said yes and so Walt gave him his personal New Testament. Its unclear who reported Tutka to administration officials. But several days later he was summoned to the front office and Tutka, who had subbed for 28 out of the last 30 days, was sent home. To date, he has not been called back. The school superintendent did not return multiple calls seeking comment.
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This is only one of many reasons I try never to step foot into that state.
Only the religion of Statism is allowed in public schools.
They are right, the word of God is very powerful. Interesting that they are so frightened by it.
Isn’t having the “messiah” and Jamie Foxx’s “lord and savior in the White House a violation of the separation of church and state? That bass turd Obama is “unconstitutional”. Singing songs praising Obama in public schools is an OUTRAGE!
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Should have given him a Koran verse and a Koran. Would have been okay.
Who knew Phillipsburg was full of anal Leftists. I bet these scumbags would have no problem permitting Satanic text.
Koran verse, Kwaanza sayings, condoms, okay.
Quote from the Bible, SUSPENDED.
What are they so scared of?
“They are right, the word of God is very powerful. Interesting that they are so frightened by it.”
> Only the religion of Statism is allowed in public schools.
Only the religion of Satanism is allowed in public schools. Cloaked of course.
Time that the citizens/taxpayers of Phillipsburg fought back and destroyed that school board.
Take no prisoners. Hire people who have common sense and believe in America.
I am so looking forward to the Final Judgement where these people have to stand before G-d and defend their position. It's going to be a sorry sight.
And there were plenty of Town Meetings held in the local church....way back then...before everyone got hot about Jefferson and his separation of church and state "concept".
Reminds me of the idiot atheist on Varney on fox business (I think it was today or yesterday); when asked if had every made the same kind of protest against islam he just sat there, hummanahummuna like jackie gleason - big pause. The other guest was a Dem establishment woman - even she was laughing with Varney at the idiot.
Athiests go all off on religion - just Christianity - no other religion.
the word of God is very powerful...
Jesus is the Word. That is why they don’t want His name mentioned either.
Truthfully, these have been the ground rules for thirty or more years, and this teacher showed very poor judgment in doing what they did.
Way back when I knew a very religious and scholarly high school teacher who was the soul of diplomacy to get permission to teach a “The Bible as Literature” class. His classes were filled with several denominations of Christians, as well as Jews, Mormons and some secular students that were respectful of religion.
He had to begin each semester with an extensive and complex disclaimer, and was always solicitous of the views and feelings of his pupils. Again, diplomacy won the day, offended no one, and produced a superb and intelligent class, far beyond what can typically be found in high school.
And he and his students were able to do this because they followed the rules. And within the rules they were able to do a lot more than they could by skirting the rules.
Of course the Bible - I would imagine particularly the King James’ version - was a staple of education centuries before our own. It was one of the main tools of learning to read.
The ACLU has alot to answer for.
Did you read the whole story? The man simply gave the kid his bible after the kid was pestering him about certain verses. No more, nothing less.
Eternity is more important than stupid rules. Why was it okay when I was in elementary school for my teachers to read the Bible every morning and say a short prayer? Look at schools now. Not much difference than juvenile detention centers. Coincidence? I obey God’s laws before man’s.
the left “shares” their environmental religion with my children every freaking day!!!!!
The fact that they only go off on Christianity makes it obvious which faith is true. Sometimes I even wonder why Satan is so obvious about it, tipping his hand that way.
Since when is the BIBLE not considered a book available in most libraries? Give her the book for her personal library. It is a teaher’s job to encourage kids to read so what is the problem with these people.
It’s not like she was giving the child a copy of LADY CHATTERLY’S LOVER or CANDY. (Dang! That just revealed my age!)
How about if we let parents and not public school teachers give children Bibles or other religious texts?
I doubt anyone here would want a public school teacher giving their children a religious book that is not in accordance with their belief.
The teacher should be fired.
The Bible tells us that in the end times unbelievers will be under a great delusion. The last election was certainly proof that those days are here. They don't have to disguise their agenda anymore so they don't even try anymore.
Count me as one person who would never support book banning. If a teacher wants to give my kid a book on any religion, I would have no problem. I encourage my children to learn about everything, especially other beliefs. Why in the world would I fear my kids being exposed to other beliefs?
Terrible terrible mistake. He should have found a young pregnant student and driven her across state lines to get an abortion. They would have hired him full-time.
Real easy. They are scared that if they let this go by, it could happen again. And then again, until eventually some kid learns that adultery is a sin rather than just a common-place activity, and he/she knows that a father/mother/relative is involved in adultery, and throws the sin in their face. That is when the parent hires a nuisance lawyer, brings a suit, and the school board becomes accountable for the big expense.
No matter who wins, the school administrator is held to be responsible for permitting this to happen nless he/she nips it in the bud), and loses his/her job. Plus won't be hired again by another school because of lack of CYA common-sense knee-jerk reaction to the very first possibility that a teacher under ones authority has disobeyed the widespread standing rule: no religious activity by the teacher on school property. Period. It's all CYA.
(In the above, for the sin named above substitute sodomy, lesbianism, fornicating, remarriage adultery, atheism, etc. Same result.)
The banning of islamizing or kwanzaizing would also happen if parents rose up against teaching heathen practices as being OK, and obtained strong court judgments awarding offended parents against the school district thus influencing their children. But they don't. They just sit back and whine.
This is exactly what the atheists want.
Parents should be able to choose their kid’s reading material,and in this case in New Jersey the parents objected.
Separate school and state, before it is too late.
'he' is only tipping his hand to the initiated.
The Sheep will always follow the self righteous bleating of the biggest loudmouth in the room, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.
Um ever been to a Town hall meeting?
This is easy to say if the religion being promulgated in the school is yours. However, there is more than one religion willing to proselytize in the schools, and some go to lengths to do so without parental knowledge or approval.
How would you feel if a teacher were handing out Korans?
This being said, there are two sides to secularism. The good side is neutrality, where there is an agreement among the religious that children of one religion should not be taught religion by teachers of another religion, because they are a captive audience, by law, and subject to inappropriate influence.
The other side of secularism is the anti-religious side, that can be just as obnoxious in its proselytizing, attempting to sway children away from not just their religion, but to reject any religion. This is anything but neutral, but pretends to be.
In any event, for many years now, public schools have been forced into a state of neutrality. And still, where one particular religion dominates a school, there is almost a guarantee that students not of that religion will be in many ways leaned on by teachers and other students. And at the same time, there is always a continual pressure to be anti-religious as well.
So ignore neutrality at your own risk. As beneficial as the effect you are certain your faith would provide, there are other faiths just as determined to exploit an opening in schools as well.
This is the education complex at work. Our taxes built them, and we are going to have to reign them in.Soon.
A little over fifty years ago, we used to read the 23rd Psalm at the beginning of class. It was an honor to be chosen to read it, or another selection the teacher chose, in public school.
How far have we fallen. When do we say, “Enough!”?
The PTO in kids’ elementary school (public) meets in the school library. I noticed at last month’s meeting that there were copies of the Bible on the shelf. I haven’t asked my 8th grader if they have copies in their library, but I would bet they do.
At that meeting, the principal was asked if she had ever had a problem with parents giving her grief about having Christmas parties and programs (and calling them as such). She said she hadn’t, but that she would lose her job before she called them anything other than Christmas parties or programs because that’s what was being celebrated. I love small towns ;)
The Scripture is God-breathed, not from the mind of murdering pedophile like Mohammed.
The Bible has shown for centuries how to elevate man, not debase him, like the Koran does. No comparison.
One of the Gideons in our local camp is from the Soviet Union, Imhof said. In most countries overseas we are allowed to go into public schools and give Bibles to students. But since this is America you cant do it here. When the Soviet Union fells, Bibles were allowed in the schools, people could pray in the schools, Hussey said. It seems we have more persecution in America than they do in Russia.
How true this is. I am so tired of the US IS THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! crowd.
We were. We are not any more. Our freedoms have been seeped away by our dictators. Our will has been sapped by our keepers. I know there are exceptions and you are probably one, but we live in a weak-kneed country, cowed by laws and leftists, and we live in fear.
We are becoming the Soviets. Only we will be worse. OUr dictators are using racial/ethnic groups against each other to keep us in line.
We are no longer a great country. We are not even a good country. If I could I would leave, except I have nowhere to go.
I am an average person. Trying to manage in an average way. I pay my taxes, fill out forms and manage the out of control buracracy in my life to the best of my ability. BUT IN NO WAY AM I UNDER THE ILLUSION THAT I AM FREE. OR THAT MY LIFE IS BETTER THAN MY FOREFATHERS.
Western Civ is based on the Bible. All children from all religions who come to the West better understand that. Korans? Not of Western Civ. Not ok.
CS, I could have written that post of yours, word for word.
At almost 59 years of age, I was alive when our country was much different—and much better.
Something in our nation changed after Kennedy’s assassination in Nov. 1963. We were shocked and weakened by it, and other forces began to assert themselves to tear at the fabric of our culture.
As I look back over the past fifty years, I see that only the Presidency of Ronald Reagan brought us anywhere near the greatness we once had as a people.
The mid 1960s onward brought us big government,big welfare,big education, hippies, dippies, yuppies,dinks, 60 million abortions, high divorce rates,race riots, student riots, the sapping of our faith, will and foreign prestige by those we entrusted to govern us.
Now, our backs are truly against the wall, and we are realizing this is not a drill, this is the end of the road if we don’t fight back.
I have resolved to fight back.
I owe at least that to those who came before and sacrificed so I could have the slice of life I vividly remember from 1955-1963, when a person could do anything, and the future was as bright as could be.
Since 1945, we have freed hundreds of millions of people from dictators and from Communism. I’ll be damned if we fall to Communism on my watch.
I remember receiving a New Testament in 5th grade, I think from the Gideons. This was a public school about 30 years ago. Granted, it was in the Bible belt, but I wonder when that changed.
That same elementary school was in the news a couple of years ago for telling a student he couldn't read his Bible during recess.
People like you give me hope.
This is exactly what troubled, mentally, morally and ethically challenged young people need to deepen their ability to analyse and uderstand issues and decisions facing them in life.
It’s not only because the truth shared by the teacher is in the Bible. It is that the teacher cared enough to lead the kid to some knowledge of truth and ethics.
If there is one Biblical truth that could be shared with American children it is “treat others the way you want to be treated” as an understanding to stop bullying and other ethical challenges we see among the young. They need to get in touch with the full depth of the damage caused by attacking (stealing, lying, and generally being mean) to others. Character.
You’re both missing the point. By law, if you let Christianity in, you have to let all the other religions, as well as atheism, in as well. The law cannot state which religions are legitimate and cultural, and which are not.
And while you both say that Christianity is legitimate, it’s not even that easy. Would you want your children taught Christianity by Branch Davidians, anti-military Quakers, Lesbian Episcopalians, or any of the other ‘off-brand’ Christian sects?
Even the Bible is not free and clear. The KJV? The Message Bible? Common English Bible? Some Biblical versions are religious and literary abominations.
The law cannot state which religions are legitimate and cultural, and which are not.
That is where your logic fails. The people can determine which cultural religions are needed for the understanding of Western Civ.
And which “The People” are those?
You would hope that it would be parents, but it won’t be. It will likely be school boards, for better or worse, mostly worse, and it often boils down to who screams the loudest, continually complains, demands censorship one way or another, etc. Either way it won’t be “responsible adults.”
If you live in a blue area, the leftists most definitely want to micromanage school curricula. The same with strongly Mormon areas. Evangelicals will control in parts of the US, Catholics in others, this, that and the other, elsewhere.
Local “community standards” are a well-established legal guide. Obscenity laws, pornography laws, etc are all determined with this principle. Exactly why would this fail as a guide for this topic?
Because obscenity and pornography are not civil rights, and are very subjective in any case. Religions, however, are anything but subjective and most certainly are civil rights.
Right now, there are schools in California that do things like make non-Muslim students recite Koranic verses. The *majority* of parents in the area do not object to this, even though they are not Muslims. However, the few students and their parents who object to this are vilified as “Islamophobic”. In such cases, majority rule has no legitimacy in assailing the religious beliefs of the minority.
My point is that those who defend the distribution of Christian religious materials or information in schools are on far more dangerous ground then they used to be. If they demand “an opening” to permit the distribution of even a single Bible, other religions, especially Islam today, will jump at the opportunity to distribute Korans all over the campus.
And since they get funding from wealthy nations like Saudi Arabia to do things just like that, Christians would well be advised to protect schoolchildren by insisting on religious neutrality in the schools. (Certainly not anti-religious secularism, but real neutrality.)
As a final note, at the behest of the ACLU, congress changed the law so that the ACLU can make a *profit* by challenging religion in schools. So it is open season by those who hate religion as well. Doubling the reasons to tread lightly.
Did you read the facts of this case? The teacher told the student “the first shall be last and the last shall be first” because the student was lagging behind coming into school. The student asked where that saying came from and the teacher said the New Testament in the Bible. The student told the teacher he did not have a Bible and the teacher asked if he wanted one, the student said yes and the teacher gave him his pocket New Testament, the student said thanks and that was it.
How is that “promulgating” religion?
I am sick to death of tiptoeing around to not “offend” someone. I am very deeply offended that this country is forcing God out of everywhere and I will do whatever I possibly can to stop it!
No one has to accept Christianity or agree with my rights, but you cannot take my rights away from me or my family!
The Civil Rights Attorney’s Fees Award Act of 1976 changed the law. Before, when someone sued a school, they could only recover actual damages; but with this Act, they could now recover their attorney’s fees as well.
This meant that the ACLU could now *profit* from suing schools for “violating the establishment clause”. It quickly became a big money-maker for them, so they started filing lawsuits at the drop of a hat. Most were far too expensive to challenge, so were settled, with the ACLU making huge amounts of money.
The Republican House of Representatives tried to repeal this ridiculous act in 2006, with the “Public Expression of Religion Act”, but the US senate refused to even consider it.
But this is above and beyond my argument, and just shows why schools are terrified of harmless things like a teacher sharing a Bible with an interested student.
However, the ACLU would never dream of suing a school for either advocating Islam or atheism, which means it is open season on children for either of them.
Yes, the whole thing is crappy, but again goes to my point that the best outcome we can hope for in the near future is for schools to be a “neutral zone”. Though they can’t get any good in there, at least it will be hopefully possible to keep out as much evil as parents can.
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