Skip to comments.Obama Bypasses Congress to Mandate Black Boxes for All Cars—Beginning in ’14
Posted on 12/14/2012 9:10:52 AM PST by Olog-hai
Bypassing Congress, the Obama administration has issued a proposed administrative rule, which if adopted, would mandate the installation of black boxes in all automobiles and light trucks beginning in 2014.
The U.S. Department of Transportations National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) proposed the regulation on Dec. 7, which it said would capture valuable safety-related data in the seconds before and during a motor vehicle crash.
The proposed standard would require automakers to install event data recorders (EDRs)so-called black box devicesto collect specific safety-related data in all light passenger vehicles beginning Sept. 1, 2014.
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Agenda 21 crap.. ‘Safety’ my azz. Knowing where we go and where we are is their agenda.. George Orwell was right.
And not a peep of protest from any Republican in Congress...
the better to track us with, of course. and then the easier to tax us by our carbon footprint.
track us then charge us by the mile.
/wearing tin foil hat
What’s to stop them from also tapping into the black box remotely using a service like on-star, or Hyundai blue link? For example my new Sonata has a microphone above the driver’s seat for when I have my cell phone connected through the blue tooth hands-free system. They could theoretically listen in on conversations happening in the car and record them on command. Even though I never renewed by subscription to Blue-Link it wouldn’t stop the government from being able to connect to my car since it’s still activated.
Yep. Ray LaHood’s dream come true.
Exactly why it’s illegal to discuss classified info in a rental car.
Yet another scratch of the 1,000 cuts of regulations that make the cost of goods and services ie, the cost of living itself increase.
This oughtta drive up the resale value of used cars...
Just keep it up assholes. We are getting REALLY tired of this police state crap.
And we are coming after you.
Anyone going to stop him?
Our freedoms - we give them away so easily. :)
He is trying to stimulate work for GM union workers before 2015.
Buy your next car before then or big brother will be in the backseat taking notes.
BTW : are there any limits to his power to in-effect-pass laws by signature?
This was posted several days ago. Many new cars already have this black box, and some have had then for more than 10 years.
If your car has air bags, anti-lock brakes, and electronic fuel injection, odds are you also have one of these boxes, you already have all the sensors.
Corporate welfare must be supporting this bit of fascism or they would take Obama to court. Government Motors...
This not news. It is old news. We are being tracked by credit cards, ez passes, phone towers and various other ways.
The Patriot Act established this as the standard going forward.
And Congress taking it.
Some cars have had black boxes in them for the last three years,insuranve companies can use data.
It makes you harder to track. I suspect you know this.
Once the Patriot Act passed, the govt had full permission into all of our personal details. One of the worst things ever done to this country.
The bureaucrat listening into my car will hear Mark Levin every night between 5:00 - 6:00. Maybe he/she will learn something. . .
“Obama Bypasses Congress” -—— AGAIN. And Congress just bends over and takes it, again.
Increased cost on top of extra costs.
Poor and minorities hardest hit.
There are no republicans in Congress... only republicrats.
What this means is that the company that manufactures them gave Ubama a boatload of money.
“So does that mean if you use cash, dont have a cell phone, and drive a 63 Plymouth that they dont know you exist?”
Don’t forget Facebook! :)
The #1 totally warrantless and “public” way to get speedy info on someone. If there is enough info, even a rough psych profile.
Plus, you are assisting the democrat party at the same time because Facebook shares data with them and donates to them. Total win-win... /puke
“If your car has air bags, anti-lock brakes, and electronic fuel injection, odds are you also have one of these boxes, you already have all the sensors.”
Not necessarily. I posted on this a few days ago. As a third year law student, I just did a paper on the Fourth Amendment and lower expectation of privacy in a vehicle. BMW (as of my paper) is refusing to comply with this mandate. It remains to be seen if they are serious once the government clamps down on them.
## So does that mean if you use cash, dont have a cell phone, and drive a 63 Plymouth that they dont know you exist? ##
Only if you wear a bag over your head to beat the facial recognition, and remove your car’s license plate to beat the auto-logging, auto-reading license plate cameras.
This also a revenue generating thing. I recently attended a tech class where they talked about this technology. The government can monitor the speed your car is travelling and issue a speeding summons through the mail. They can also issue other summonses such as expired inspections, insurance and registrations. Under the EPA they will know when your cars check engine light comes on issue a summons for polluting the air. This is sick.
He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows when you've been bad or good, so be good fer.....
Welcome to the new national order of the Republic of JugEars...
More control on how we travel......
Sounds violative of the 4th Amendment, and therefore a felony: Deprivation of Rights under color of Law.
If I go to buy a car and they tell me it has this device in it (I will ask of course), I will tell them to remove it or I’m not buying the car. If there is no LAW that says it is required then obama can kiss my ass.
What will the black boxes tell them that the billions of surveillance cameras all over the country won’t?
And, in order to preserve the data, will the black boxes be built of a nearly indestructible material? If so, why not build the cars of the same stuff and save the trouble?
I was thinking in terms of an electo-magnet.