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Obama Bypasses Congress to Mandate Black Boxes for All Cars—Beginning in ’14
Cybercast News Service ^ | December 13, 2012 | Pete Winn

Posted on 12/14/2012 9:10:52 AM PST by Olog-hai

Bypassing Congress, the Obama administration has issued a proposed administrative rule, which if adopted, would mandate the installation of “black boxes” in all automobiles and light trucks beginning in 2014.

The U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) proposed the regulation on Dec. 7, which it said “would capture valuable safety-related data in the seconds before and during a motor vehicle crash.”

The proposed standard would require automakers to install event data recorders (EDRs)—so-called “black box devices”—to collect specific safety-related data in all light passenger vehicles beginning Sept. 1, 2014. …

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; autoindustry; bhofascism; bigbrother; blackboxes; bllodoftyrants; bloodofcommunists; bloodoftyrants; communism; democrats; govtabuse; morebailouts; obama; orwellian; rapeofliberty; spying; tracking; tyranny; waronliberty

1 posted on 12/14/2012 9:11:01 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Idiots


2 posted on 12/14/2012 9:12:26 AM PST by varina davis (A real American patriot -- Gov. Rick Perry)
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To: Olog-hai

Agenda 21 crap.. ‘Safety’ my azz. Knowing where we go and where we are is their agenda.. George Orwell was right.


3 posted on 12/14/2012 9:15:47 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Olog-hai

And not a peep of protest from any Republican in Congress...


4 posted on 12/14/2012 9:16:00 AM PST by Obadiah (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: Olog-hai

the better to track us with, of course. and then the easier to tax us by our carbon footprint.


5 posted on 12/14/2012 9:18:02 AM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Olog-hai

track us then charge us by the mile.


6 posted on 12/14/2012 9:18:59 AM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: Olog-hai

/wearing tin foil hat
What’s to stop them from also tapping into the black box remotely using a service like on-star, or Hyundai blue link? For example my new Sonata has a microphone above the driver’s seat for when I have my cell phone connected through the blue tooth hands-free system. They could theoretically listen in on conversations happening in the car and record them on command. Even though I never renewed by subscription to Blue-Link it wouldn’t stop the government from being able to connect to my car since it’s still activated.


7 posted on 12/14/2012 9:20:30 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: ColdOne

Yep. Ray LaHood’s dream come true.


8 posted on 12/14/2012 9:25:04 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: miliantnutcase
Fixing your unused microphone should be simple -


9 posted on 12/14/2012 9:35:43 AM PST by az_gila
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To: miliantnutcase

Exactly why it’s illegal to discuss classified info in a rental car.


10 posted on 12/14/2012 9:39:40 AM PST by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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To: varina davis

Yet another scratch of the 1,000 cuts of regulations that make the cost of goods and services ie, the cost of living itself increase.


11 posted on 12/14/2012 9:45:09 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Olog-hai

This oughtta drive up the resale value of used cars...


12 posted on 12/14/2012 9:55:47 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some cultures are destined to remain stupid and we need to quit trying to uplift them.)
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To: Olog-hai

Just keep it up assholes. We are getting REALLY tired of this police state crap.

And we are coming after you.


13 posted on 12/14/2012 9:56:07 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Olog-hai

Anyone going to stop him?

no?

Our freedoms - we give them away so easily. :)


14 posted on 12/14/2012 9:57:26 AM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Olog-hai

He is trying to stimulate work for GM union workers before 2015.

Buy your next car before then or big brother will be in the backseat taking notes.

BTW : are there any limits to his power to in-effect-pass laws by signature?


15 posted on 12/14/2012 10:01:20 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Olog-hai

This was posted several days ago. Many new cars already have this black box, and some have had then for more than 10 years.

If your car has air bags, anti-lock brakes, and electronic fuel injection, odds are you also have one of these boxes, you already have all the sensors.


16 posted on 12/14/2012 10:01:39 AM PST by wrench
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To: Olog-hai

Corporate welfare must be supporting this bit of fascism or they would take Obama to court. Government Motors...


17 posted on 12/14/2012 10:04:19 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: wrench

This not news. It is old news. We are being tracked by credit cards, ez passes, phone towers and various other ways.

The Patriot Act established this as the standard going forward.


18 posted on 12/14/2012 10:08:13 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic
So does that mean if you use cash, don’t have a cell phone, and drive a ‘63 Plymouth that they don’t know you exist?
19 posted on 12/14/2012 10:12:34 AM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Olog-hai
Bypassing Congress

And Congress taking it.

20 posted on 12/14/2012 10:26:33 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Olog-hai

Some cars have had black boxes in them for the last three years,insuranve companies can use data.


21 posted on 12/14/2012 10:30:51 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Cowman

It makes you harder to track. I suspect you know this.

Once the Patriot Act passed, the govt had full permission into all of our personal details. One of the worst things ever done to this country.


22 posted on 12/14/2012 10:45:57 AM PST by sakic
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To: Olog-hai

The bureaucrat listening into my car will hear Mark Levin every night between 5:00 - 6:00. Maybe he/she will learn something. . .


23 posted on 12/14/2012 10:52:32 AM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: Olog-hai

“Obama Bypasses Congress” -—— AGAIN. And Congress just bends over and takes it, again.


24 posted on 12/14/2012 11:05:28 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Olog-hai

Increased cost on top of extra costs.

Poor and minorities hardest hit.


25 posted on 12/14/2012 11:25:23 AM PST by Noamie
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To: Obadiah

There are no republicans in Congress... only republicrats.

LLS


26 posted on 12/14/2012 11:29:01 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: Olog-hai

What this means is that the company that manufactures them gave Ubama a boatload of money.


27 posted on 12/14/2012 11:29:22 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Cowman

“So does that mean if you use cash, don’t have a cell phone, and drive a ‘63 Plymouth that they don’t know you exist?”

Don’t forget Facebook! :)

The #1 totally warrantless and “public” way to get speedy info on someone. If there is enough info, even a rough psych profile.

Plus, you are assisting the democrat party at the same time because Facebook shares data with them and donates to them. Total win-win... /puke


28 posted on 12/14/2012 11:29:52 AM PST by Noamie
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To: wrench

“If your car has air bags, anti-lock brakes, and electronic fuel injection, odds are you also have one of these boxes, you already have all the sensors.”

Not necessarily. I posted on this a few days ago. As a third year law student, I just did a paper on the Fourth Amendment and lower expectation of privacy in a vehicle. BMW (as of my paper) is refusing to comply with this mandate. It remains to be seen if they are serious once the government clamps down on them.


29 posted on 12/14/2012 11:34:45 AM PST by Oregon Betsy Ross
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To: Cowman

## So does that mean if you use cash, don’t have a cell phone, and drive a ‘63 Plymouth that they don’t know you exist? ##

Only if you wear a bag over your head to beat the facial recognition, and remove your car’s license plate to beat the auto-logging, auto-reading license plate cameras.


30 posted on 12/14/2012 11:39:18 AM PST by wrench
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To: Olog-hai

This also a revenue generating thing. I recently attended a tech class where they talked about this technology. The government can monitor the speed your car is travelling and issue a speeding summons through the mail. They can also issue other summonses such as expired inspections, insurance and registrations. Under the EPA they will know when your cars check engine light comes on issue a summons for polluting the air. This is sick.


31 posted on 12/14/2012 11:57:56 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: Olog-hai
Your Papers Peasant? Dear Leader is watching you.

He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows when you've been bad or good, so be good fer.....

Welcome to the new national order of the Republic of JugEars...

32 posted on 12/14/2012 12:04:30 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Olog-hai

More control on how we travel......


33 posted on 12/14/2012 12:04:30 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds violative of the 4th Amendment, and therefore a felony: Deprivation of Rights under color of Law.


34 posted on 12/14/2012 1:08:45 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Olog-hai

If I go to buy a car and they tell me it has this device in it (I will ask of course), I will tell them to remove it or I’m not buying the car. If there is no LAW that says it is required then obama can kiss my ass.


35 posted on 12/14/2012 1:34:57 PM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Olog-hai

What will the black boxes tell them that the billions of surveillance cameras all over the country won’t?

And, in order to preserve the data, will the black boxes be built of a nearly indestructible material? If so, why not build the cars of the same stuff and save the trouble?


36 posted on 12/14/2012 2:33:21 PM PST by DPMD
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To: az_gila

I was thinking in terms of an electo-magnet.


37 posted on 12/14/2012 4:38:43 PM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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