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TSA refused to let mother comfort her weeping wheelchair-bound daughter, 12, as they detained
Daily Mail ^ | 12/14/12 | Lydia Warren

Posted on 12/14/2012 12:43:56 PM PST by Nachum

A 12-year-old girl who uses a wheelchair was left in tears after TSA agents detained her for nearly an hour at a Texas airport after saying they found traces of bomb residue on her hands, her mother claimed today. Shelbi Walser was travelling to Florida with her mother, Tammy Daniels, for treatment for her brittle bone disorder when she was stopped at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport in Texas. A TSA agent swabbed Shelbi´s hands and she tested positive for explosives. But the wheelchair, which is likely to have transferred any substance to her hands as she pushed it

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Full title: TSA refused to let mother comfort her weeping wheelchair-bound daughter, 12, as they detained her for an hour ´after detecting explosives on her hands´
1 posted on 12/14/2012 12:44:01 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
A false-positive for explosives ought to be grounds for a lawsuit.

Get a better test.

2 posted on 12/14/2012 12:46:18 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Nachum
Remember when stories like this came from other countries?
3 posted on 12/14/2012 12:52:30 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Nachum

The TSA: America’s own Gestapo!

Look for them coming to a shopping mall near you soon!

The TSA is part of the plan to condition you to being treated like slaves. We’ve been tricked by Republicans and Democrats into passing laws to make us “more secure” when the effect has really been to chip away at our freedom and human dignity.


4 posted on 12/14/2012 1:00:19 PM PST by Astronaut
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not necessarily a false positive.

All kinds of things will legitimately set off a meter, notably including many fertilizers. Wheel a chair down a sidewalk where the adjacent grass has recently been sprayed, and you have a perfectly legitimate positive.

How they handled the situation is ridiculous, but probably not the meter response.

A MythBusters episode I recently watched demonstrated clearly that one poppyseed muffin will routinely give a positive for drug use. People get fired all the time for a single positive reaction on the test. It’s not the fault of the test, which accurately measures what it’s supposed to, it’s the fault of the idiots interpreting and applying the results.


5 posted on 12/14/2012 1:00:23 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode with Elaine and the poppyseeds.


6 posted on 12/14/2012 1:05:51 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I was held back for a false-positive once. I think the TSA was punishing me for opting out their body scanners! I just stood there, almost dchallenging them to arrest me, charge me, or whatever. I did not care what they did. Finally, they said there were probably some medicines I was taking causing the false positive, and they let me go.


7 posted on 12/14/2012 1:07:26 PM PST by rawhide
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To: Sherman Logan
They're not really testing for explosives, are they?

They're testing for something that might be in explosives, or might not, or might be in any number of innocent things, but they don't care.

Take money away from them to make them care.

8 posted on 12/14/2012 1:09:24 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Nachum

I got an idea. Keep a TSA function, but not staff it with freaking morons.


9 posted on 12/14/2012 1:10:43 PM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Guesss what--the full body scanners have been exposed as useless as well.
10 posted on 12/14/2012 1:11:38 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Nachum
A couple of flights ago, I was swabbed for explosives.....the woman behind me yelled sarcastically, "yea she looks like a threat".

They did a full body pat down on her. I loath the TSA.

Every time I fly with my second grandson (since he was 18 months old) has been pulled over for a pat down. He thinks that's what happens when you fly. My daughter asked why this happens and TSA says its all random.

His name is Israel, I am sure that's a typical terrorist name.
My husband asked TSA last, why if OBL is dead he is still treated like a terrorist. One day they are going to take him away.

I feel so bad for this little girl, I hope her parents get a lawyer and sue those people personally and TSA in general.

TSA's abuse of children is disgusting.

11 posted on 12/14/2012 1:16:04 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Nachum

From an average of 120 flights per year I am down to 2 in 6 years because of these gestapo tactics.

For some reason, rather than tick off some 6th Century sand monkeys brainwashed by the rantings of a pedophile, our government would rather suspend OUR (read as Real Americans) Constitutionally guaranteed 4th Amendment rights.

The only thing they have done is guaranteed honest citizens will be unarmed and defenseless should some rag head sub human shove something up their butt to kill us.

At least one flight for sure and possibly two flights on 9/11 would have had a different outcome had some Real American on those planes been armed with something more dangerous than a box cutter.


12 posted on 12/14/2012 1:17:02 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: svcw
Memo to the House of Representatives....Defund the Bass Turds!
13 posted on 12/14/2012 1:18:44 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

Oh, that’s what TSA means Turds Sustaining Abuse.


14 posted on 12/14/2012 1:24:03 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Nachum

I would be so tempted, if detained, to say: “It’s ridiculous for you to be holding me: I’m not a Muslim.”

I’d probably get thirty years in prison.


15 posted on 12/14/2012 1:41:38 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: svcw

“Oh, that’s what TSA means Turds Sustaining Abuse.”

or

Totally Sychotic A-holes

or

Total Sum of A-holes


16 posted on 12/14/2012 1:53:00 PM PST by el_texicano (Palinista to the core!)
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To: Nachum

“Wow, I nabbed a terrorist!” said no TSA agent ever.


17 posted on 12/14/2012 1:55:33 PM PST by carolinablonde
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
They're testing for something that might be in explosives, or might not, or might be in any number of innocent things, but they don't care.

You are quite right. "Explosives testing" doesn't test for explosives, it tests for a group that also includes many innocent things.

That those using the tests don't understand this isn't the fault of the tests, it's the fault of those setting up the systems for (mis)using the tests.

Blaming the misuse on the tests is like blaming guns for killing people.

18 posted on 12/14/2012 1:57:23 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Blaming the misuse on the tests is like blaming guns for killing people.

They shouldn't be using tests that don't actually test for what they are looking for.

It's like the DEA manufacturing probable cause by using drug-sniffing dogs that always alert to drugs whether they are there or not.

How Much Police Activity Can Be Justified By Drug-Sniffing Dogs?

19 posted on 12/14/2012 2:04:38 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

There are no tests for explosive residue that don’t also alert to non-explosive things, simply because explosives and things that aren’t overlap.

AMFO is a powerful explosive. Took down the OK City Federal Building. Composed of fertilizer and fuel oil.

So if you want to be able to detect AMFO, by definition you’re going to also detect most fertilizers, which people might have residue on them for all kinds of innocent reasons.

Sometimes when I’m feeling transgressive, I think about rubbing a little fertilizer on my carryon before flying. But I never have.

It’s like profiling. It doesn’t tell you who committed a crime, when properly used it does, however, narrow down the number of people you would otherwise have to look at.

Misuse of profiling ruined Richard Jewell’s life (the hero of the Atlanta Olympics bombing) because he “fit the profile.” Which he indeed did - along with probably at least several million other people.

But the idiot media turned “fitting the profile” into some sort of evidence (or even proof) of guilt, and ran with it.


20 posted on 12/14/2012 2:15:25 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: el_texicano

Terrorists Search Americans


21 posted on 12/14/2012 2:28:43 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Sherman Logan
"AMFO is a powerful explosive."

Sure you aren't thinking of ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil).

22 posted on 12/14/2012 2:29:29 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Nachum

TSA is nothing more than a jobs program for the chronically unemployed.


23 posted on 12/14/2012 2:33:17 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: PAR35

You are quite correct. Could blame it on a typo, m being next to n, but frankly I misremembered it.

Mea culpa.


24 posted on 12/14/2012 2:37:42 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Regulator

The only reason I would ever fly again is if someone told me there’d be many dollars waiting at the end. And it would have to be many.

The last time we flew my wife forgot to pack her very expensive hand lotion in the checked baggage. It was a 6 oz bottle that wasn’t even half full. The big “michelle obama looking” agent obviously didn’t have the intelligence to subtract 3 from 6 and come up with 4. My wife had to leave the bottle because the rule is no more than four ozs per bottle. Per bottle! I can have 10 4 oz bottles but not one 5 oz bottle.


25 posted on 12/14/2012 2:43:24 PM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Regulator

Meanwhile, individuals in muslim garb just mosey on through. Why I no longer fly.


26 posted on 12/14/2012 2:43:24 PM PST by sport
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To: Nachum

She was fortunate that they did not shoot her.


27 posted on 12/14/2012 2:44:53 PM PST by sport
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To: svcw
They did a full body pat down on her. I loath the TSA.

What they do is not random. My wife's brother is a TSA agent (embarassed to say so, however he is an ass and we hate him). He had told us that anyone giving the hint of backtalk that they will automatically slow down the checking and give them hell. And snicker about it. Jerks, all of them agents. As I said, we hate him and exclude him from family events.

28 posted on 12/14/2012 2:47:57 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Nachum

Now we know that even some of the Texans are lacking in basic common sense and will continue accordingly.


29 posted on 12/14/2012 2:50:59 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Sherman Logan
Sometimes when I’m feeling transgressive, I think about rubbing a little fertilizer on my carryon before flying. But I never have.

What is fertilizer? The article said something about having chickens, and the wheelchair could have rolled through it. I used to have rabbit cages, they stunk underneath from the nitates in the waste. Good thing I wasn't flying back then with today's checks, as my clothes and shoes certainly had ammonium nitrates from the rabbit waste. The stuff sure made my garden lush.

30 posted on 12/14/2012 2:54:46 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Nachum
We should just line up and chant:

THEY SUCK ASS!
THEY SUCK ASS!THEY SUCK ASS!

Like the childish lefties do.

31 posted on 12/14/2012 3:05:14 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: Aevery_Freeman
My apologies for the language and the lack of a break tag.

But I would love to do that some day.

32 posted on 12/14/2012 3:07:00 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: Nachum

This is a very large part of why I am driving nearly 2,000 miles EACH WAY for our upcoming vacation. Avoiding the TSA perverts and goons was a definite plus.


33 posted on 12/14/2012 3:07:00 PM PST by Ancesthntr (FReeper and under NSA surveillance since 2000.)
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To: Ancesthntr
I have not flown since the fat slob TSA agent with the latex gloves announced loudly to all present:

I'll be placing my hand down your pants now.

The airlines haven't gotten a dime from me since.

34 posted on 12/14/2012 3:09:49 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: Nachum
these TSA things really are the scum of the earth...
35 posted on 12/14/2012 3:11:49 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Astronaut

“The TSA: America’s own Gestapo!”

The Nazi Gestapo pigs had a modicum of training to fight on a battlefield. Even with that, when confronted with armed troops or determined partisans, the gestapo ran away like scared rats. The fat-asses in the TSA gestapo wouldn’t last five minutes in a firefight.

The ATF, FBI and TSA are nothing more than federal government terrorists whose sole purpose is to assault and murder women and children.


36 posted on 12/14/2012 3:37:35 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Ancesthntr
This is a very large part of why I am driving nearly 2,000 miles EACH WAY for our upcoming vacation.

The TSA is targeting the highways too. It's coming soon.

37 posted on 12/14/2012 3:38:43 PM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

38 posted on 12/14/2012 3:49:23 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Sherman Logan
Sometimes when I’m feeling transgressive, I think about rubbing a little fertilizer on my carryon before flying. But I never have.

Somebody who really wanted to mess with them would discretely spill some in the trunk of a taxi that did a lot of airport runs. Every bag put there would test positive. Or spill a little on the airport carpet and let it get on the shoes of everybody who walks on it.

In this case, it's likely the wheelchair picked up some residue from somewhere.

39 posted on 12/14/2012 3:50:19 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Made In The USA

“Keep a TSA function, but not staff it with freaking morons.”

Perhaps I could handle the moron factor, but the Nazi mindset is inexcusable.

We took a flight recently into the small Clearwater, FL, airport (”PIE”). It was fine. However, for the return leg, going through Security at the little chicken-sh!t airport, the agents were some of the nastiest we’ve ever had the misfortune of dealing with. I though it was just me, but DH was in a different line and he, too, was treated wretchedly. The SOBs at LAX had been our baseline, but PIE TSA SOBs are very close.


40 posted on 12/14/2012 3:56:00 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Nachum

My sister-in-law had a similar problem. It turns out that her oxygen equipment was cleaned with something that set off the bomb detector. She missed her plane.


41 posted on 12/14/2012 4:46:57 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Astronaut

I agree, but I also remember lots of conservatives and Repubs, including on here, dismissing concerns for civil rights as a making a mountain out of a molehill during the Bush years. “Bah, we need these tools to fight terrorists!” they said.

Now Obama is in office and we suddenly discover rights and freedom.


42 posted on 12/14/2012 4:55:25 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: roadcat

Sometimes I wonder if it is a requirement to be a donkey’s whole to be hired.
I have run into a few very nice and competent TSA agents, just wonder how long they stay, my guess they will quit because the people they work with are idiots.


43 posted on 12/14/2012 5:03:22 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: roadcat

“What is fertilizer? The article said something about having chickens, and the wheelchair could have rolled through it.”

Chicken feed, chicken poop. One of the ingredients in explosives is/was derived from urea (urine), IIRC.

To be fair, the terrorists are animals and wouldn’t stop at using their own or other people’s children to smuggle a bomb or components on board an aircraft. There are blue-eyed blond muslims in Eastern Europe and converts everywhere. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet. We are blessed with generally stupid enemies so far.


44 posted on 12/14/2012 5:21:26 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite
We are blessed with generally stupid enemies so far.

I agree. Unfortunately, our agents are stupider (as in Dumb and Dumber). I made a sarcastic comment about what is fertilizer - have used my rabbit waste as such, you can make explosives from the stuff. I had trays under the cages capturing the stuff, rabbits are prolific in making waste. Garden loved it.

As for stupid enemies, I can think of several ways to get around agents, but won't post the info. Common safe everyday items can be combined to wreak havoc. Things that teens create for fun. The TSA is there to give the illusion that we are safe, but we are not.

45 posted on 12/14/2012 6:48:14 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Nachum

citizens are prisoners, comply of face a strip search and arrest for resisting the freedom officer’s hand up your rectum....


46 posted on 12/14/2012 7:00:25 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: el_texicano

tsa == tough sh1t, assh0le. as in their standard response to the citizens they treat as prisoners.


47 posted on 12/14/2012 7:04:54 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Nachum

how does your hand on my crotch make me safer?

people really need to just not accept premises.


48 posted on 12/14/2012 7:06:20 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

I was one of those people. I trusted and believed President Bush. I now realized I was lied to. We did 9/11 ourselves as a false flag to usher in the end of our civil liberties, and in order to bring about the NWO. Osama bin Laden? He died of kidney failure in late 2001. Bush and Obama used him as an Emmanuel Goldstein to justify all kinds of evil, both at home and abroad. 9/11 was a lie. The “killing” of bin Laden in 2011 was a lie. Its all been used to make slaves of us. I feel doubly terrible because at one time, I supported it all, but my government has betrayed me and millions like me. Now the era of our slavery is about to begin in earnest. The NWO (through their puppets Obama and the Republicans) will use the CN shooting as a justification to disarm us all. Once that is done, there will be no stopping the NWO agenda of poverty and slavery.


49 posted on 12/15/2012 12:02:17 PM PST by Astronaut
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To: MayflowerMadam

The behavior of the TSA? Well, they’re Government employees, they have no idea that the person who is funding their paycheck is standing right in front of them. TSA, Senator, Postal worker, DMV clerk, Governer, Dog catcher, etc. It doesn’t matter at what level of Government, I rarely see these folks being respectful of the people who pay them and of the taxpayer dollars they are entrusted with.


50 posted on 12/17/2012 7:21:25 AM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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