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Bobby Jindal: Birth control should be over the counter
Washington Examiner ^ | 12/14/2012 | Coronal

Posted on 12/14/2012 1:59:00 PM PST by Coronal

Bobby Jindal wants you to be able to get your contraceptives over the counter, and that’s just the first step. “Democrats have wrongly accused Republicans of being against birth control and against allowing people to use it,” the Louisiana governor writes in the Wall Street Journal today. “That’s hogwash.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: abortion; bobbyjindal; catholic; cino; contraception; gop; humanaevitae; jindal; moralabsolutes; prolife; thepill
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1 posted on 12/14/2012 1:59:04 PM PST by Coronal
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To: Coronal

Won’t speak to the safety of the drug as OTC.

From a funding perspective it makes perfect sense. OTC drugs aren’t usually covered by insurance and thus it would be an individuals decision and no one who morally objects would have to pay for it.


2 posted on 12/14/2012 2:03:24 PM PST by Conservative Actuary
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To: Coronal

Maybe if our nominee had stepped up and called it hogwash things might be different today.


3 posted on 12/14/2012 2:04:57 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Coronal
Aspirin is available OTC.

/johnny

4 posted on 12/14/2012 2:05:46 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Coronal
Last time I looked, you COULD get contraceptives over the counter.

 

And the best contraceptive is free. Don't even need to go the drug store for it.

5 posted on 12/14/2012 2:07:22 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Coronal

I’m surprised that Jindal would say this given that he is Catholic.


6 posted on 12/14/2012 2:08:13 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Coronal

I have to agree with Bobby on this one. Adverse effects are few and far between.


7 posted on 12/14/2012 2:09:28 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Responsibility2nd
And the best contraceptive is free. Don't even need to go the drug store for it.

Are you talking about the proverbial aspirin between the knees?

8 posted on 12/14/2012 2:10:57 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Coronal

Some types of birth control pills are abortificients.

And most of them are dangerous. The statistics are have long been known, but of course the media and the medical associations refuse to report them, since that would be politically incorrect.

Not a good idea to start spreading them around any more than they already are.


9 posted on 12/14/2012 2:12:20 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Jindal is NOT talking about abortion pills.


10 posted on 12/14/2012 2:16:28 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Coronal

The problem is birth control drugs are big medicine, with lots of possible side effect and interactions. They’re actually exactly the kind of drug that should be prescription only. Yeah it would end a political football, but at a huge human cost.


11 posted on 12/14/2012 2:20:11 PM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: Coronal
Every Christian, except for truly faithful Catholics, has it wrong on The Pill.
It sometimes acts as an abortifacient, ie abortion-murder.
And now Jindal has revealed himself to be something other than what he professes
to be. He loses my support.
12 posted on 12/14/2012 2:21:19 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Close, but aspirin is not free.

I’m talking about abstinence. It works every time it’s tried. No unplanned pregnancies, no STD’s, no problem.


13 posted on 12/14/2012 2:21:19 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Works every time!

14 posted on 12/14/2012 2:22:49 PM PST by jaz.357 (Welcome to hell. Here's your accordion.)
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To: trisham

RE: I’m surprised that Jindal would say this given that he is Catholic.

Well, for one, there are more non-catholics than Catholics in this country. He is indirectly saying Catholics won’t use the power of government to force people to conform to their own belief ( unlike one President I know ).


15 posted on 12/14/2012 2:24:10 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Coronal

Have to agree with Jindal here. This is a pretty obvious limited government federalist solution that would have completely destroyed the democrat argument.


16 posted on 12/14/2012 2:25:00 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: jobim

Knee jerk remarks like that do no good to “faithful Catholics”.

There ARE other medicinal benefits to the Pill, ya know.


17 posted on 12/14/2012 2:25:23 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Sacajaweau; Cicero

I think Cicero was referring to Birth Control Pills...which are not exactly 100% safe...and their use can lead to other health problems later in life.

They should not be given over-the-counter. And, I doubt if a BCP maker would want to risk liability by having BCP OTC.

And, the prupose of many BCPs is to prevent a fertilized egg from remaining in the womb...in general terms. I am sure that part troubles some people


18 posted on 12/14/2012 2:28:20 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Cicero

Yes, many birth control pills in fact do not prevent conception. They merely prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. That is why the Catholic Church is against birth control pills.


19 posted on 12/14/2012 2:29:01 PM PST by Lib Buster (Don't tell me who you are. How you spend your time says it all.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Are you accepting that The Pill can sometimes act as an abortifacient? If you could answer that question first, let’s go to the next point, if you don’t object.


20 posted on 12/14/2012 2:30:22 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
There ARE other medicinal benefits to the Pill, ya know.

I knew a girl in high school that was prescribed the "pill" for sever acne. She was VERY popular once the blemish cleared up.

21 posted on 12/14/2012 2:31:50 PM PST by jaz.357 (Welcome to hell. Here's your accordion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps, but as a Catholic, that is wrong.

From Humanae Vitae - Encyclical Letter of His Holiness Paul VI on the regulation of birth, 25 July 1968

Consequences of Artificial Methods

17. Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.

Finally, careful consideration should be given to the danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities who care little for the precepts of the moral law. Who will blame a government which in its attempt to resolve the problems affecting an entire country resorts to the same measures as are regarded as lawful by married people in the solution of a particular family difficulty? Who will prevent public authorities from favoring those contraceptive methods which they consider more effective? Should they regard this as necessary, they may even impose their use on everyone. It could well happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html


22 posted on 12/14/2012 2:32:14 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
I’m surprised that Jindal would say this given that he is Catholic.

Doesn't seem like he is a well catechized one. Another "Catholic" politician.

23 posted on 12/14/2012 2:33:40 PM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: jobim

“Every Christian, except for truly faithful Catholics”

Plenty of serious Protestants avoid the Pill and the IUD, as well. Every woman I know well enough to know about this does.


24 posted on 12/14/2012 2:34:13 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: frogjerk

Yes. At one time I had hopes for him, but this is very disappointing.


25 posted on 12/14/2012 2:35:53 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Well, the article is very brief, so it’s not clear what he’s talking about.

Evidently not condoms, since they are already available over the counter.

Some birth control pills are abortificient, and some are not. Most of them are dangerous to women’s health.

They are already easily available, however, and it’s not hard to find a doctor to prescribe them. But at least some doctors might caution these women about the health risks, while agreeing to prescribe them after the warning.


26 posted on 12/14/2012 2:40:39 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lib Buster
The Catholic Church is against birth control because it decreases the numbers of Catholics. The church is not opposed to the temp method which is by any other name....BIRTH CONTROL.

The birth control pill is just much more convenient and does the same thing....prevents pregnancy.

27 posted on 12/14/2012 2:41:55 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

“Adverse effects are few and far between.”

For some people, other people they can have severe side effects.


28 posted on 12/14/2012 2:43:59 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Coronal

Bobby thinks he’s a medical expert since he delivered one of his own children while his wife was en route to the hospital.


29 posted on 12/14/2012 2:44:38 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: driftdiver

So can aspirin...


30 posted on 12/14/2012 2:45:38 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Persevero
I'm glad to hear of this, as I didn't know. Are they in any
particular denominations? Do they gather in churches with
like-minded pastors? Or are they just individuals interspersed
among many congregations who hold to that personal practice?
And do they do it because of the abortion-murder possibility,
or some other reasons? Thanks in advance for informing me.
31 posted on 12/14/2012 2:45:56 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Which proverb is that?


32 posted on 12/14/2012 2:47:14 PM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Coronal

If it were “over the counter” it would be much cheaper, since no ducktors would be skimming a gratuity off of it.

Really, I think a forehead tattoo would be desirable for those stiffling the growth of our population.


33 posted on 12/14/2012 2:49:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Sacajaweau
The Catholic Church is against birth control because it decreases the numbers of Catholics. The church is not opposed to the temp method which is by any other name....BIRTH CONTROL.

???

34 posted on 12/14/2012 2:50:57 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Sacajaweau

Well, no. The Catholic Church supports other methods (for example natural rhythm method) which prevents conception and also results in fewer Catholics. It is the fact that some birth control pills prevent an already fertilized egg from being implanted that the Church objects to...the whole “life begins at conception” thing. Since the article is short on details, we are speculating as to Jindal’s intent here. The rest at this point is immaterial.


35 posted on 12/14/2012 2:52:18 PM PST by Lib Buster (Don't tell me who you are. How you spend your time says it all.)
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To: definitelynotaliberal
Which proverb is that?

Not a biblical proverb, but an oft-repeated quote during the campaign months. It comes from Foster Freiss, a Rick Santorum backer. In a televised conversation with Andrea Mitchell (ugh) he commented thusly about contraception: “On this contraceptive thing, my Gosh it’s such [sic] inexpensive,” he added. “You know, back in my days, they used Bayer aspirin for contraception. The gals put it between their knees, and it wasn’t that costly."

It's one of the comments that was repeated over and over to make Pubbies look out of touch.

36 posted on 12/14/2012 2:53:40 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: trisham

“I’m surprised that Jindal would say this given that he is Catholic.”

Maybe Jindal sees his job as being the Governor for all the state’s residents, rather than just the Cathoilic ones?

Maybe Jindal sees the proper role of government generally, as being limited?


37 posted on 12/14/2012 2:54:41 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Persevero

Never met a Catholic who didn’t take the pill...Or have their tubes tied OR hubby had a vasectomy. Let’s be truthful about this.


38 posted on 12/14/2012 2:56:56 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Coronal

Jindal is rapidly losing my approbation...
We need to get the govt OUT of medicine...
STHU abt anything but govt spending, taxes, defense and only things that are in your Constitutional directive...


39 posted on 12/14/2012 2:56:56 PM PST by matginzac
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To: Sacajaweau

So can water. However its not the same level of risk nor do people usually need expert advice on the use of aspirin beyond the instructions on the bottle.

But hey if you’re willing to experiment with your girls go ahead, with them.


40 posted on 12/14/2012 2:58:16 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yep. Back in the day there were gas station bathroom dispensers. Still are. Much ado about nothing.


41 posted on 12/14/2012 3:00:49 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Lib Buster

The so called “Birth Control Pill” which I believe Jindal is talking about is the common one whereby there is no ovulation and therefore no egg to fertilize.


42 posted on 12/14/2012 3:00:58 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Ah, I see! I missed that brouhaha.


43 posted on 12/14/2012 3:21:12 PM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Coronal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/98-percent-catholic-women-birth-control_n_849060.html


44 posted on 12/14/2012 3:24:17 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: trisham

Political Catholic. Louisiana ain’t gonna elect no Hindoos! (Not really faulting him. The world is what it is.)


45 posted on 12/14/2012 3:44:51 PM PST by procrustes (You make Free Republic look bad!)
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To: Sacajaweau

On what do you base your belief that he is referring to that type of pill? Did I miss something in the article? Not that it matters, we were discussing why the Catholic Church objects to BCP use. Making them available over-the-counter would relieve the Church and its members from being forced to pay for them unwillingly. Your “belief” about what Jindal meant is immaterial to the discussion. Agree or disagree, the Catholic Church has every right to practice its religious beliefs without government or non-member input.


46 posted on 12/14/2012 3:47:57 PM PST by Lib Buster (Don't tell me who you are. How you spend your time says it all.)
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To: discostu

But every woman who asks gets the prescription, it has nothing to do with being “diagnosed”, and once they have it, they get refills for the rest of their lives.

So really, the doctor visit is just government imposing an extra cost.

Of course, nothing stops a woman from seeing a doctor before starting birth control. This is about free choice.

Frankly, I think a LOT of prescription drugs should be OTC instead.


47 posted on 12/14/2012 3:51:00 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Coronal

And while they are at it.... OTC Viagra and Cialis!


48 posted on 12/14/2012 3:53:17 PM PST by procrustes (You make Free Republic look bad!)
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To: SeekAndFind; trisham

I didn’t understand what this has to do with being Catholic.

It’s not like a Doctor is going to abstain from prescribing the pill to a woman if she is Catholic.

So making it OTC or having it a prescription is completely separate from whether the drug should be used or not.

A Catholic who didn’t get the prescription will now NOT buy the OTC medicine.

I don’t think we want to enforce religious beliefs on others by making costs higher. So I don’t see the religious significance of this statement.


49 posted on 12/14/2012 3:53:52 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Lib Buster

The Catholic Church is against birth control pills because they have a religious objection to birth control. They are against condoms as well, and condoms have nothing to do with abortion.


50 posted on 12/14/2012 3:55:38 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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