Skip to comments.26 States Decline ObamaCare Exchange; 'Administrative Nightmare' Seen
Posted on 12/14/2012 3:30:36 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather
The federal government will likely be involved in running the ObamaCare exchange in at least 30 states, 26 of which expressly declined to establish state exchanges. One health-policy expert refers to it as an "administrative nightmare" for the Department of Health and Human Services.
Friday was the deadline for a state to let HHS know if it planned to establish a state exchange. Thus far only 18 states and the District of Columbia are planning on doing so.
As of right now only Utah and Florida remain undecided. Utah may still decide to set up a state exchange, but few expect that Florida will. When asked, a spokesman for Florida Gov. Rick Scott directed IBD to a letter Scott sent last month to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius requesting more information on the exchanges and a meeting with Sebelius. Sebelius has not responded to his letter.
Assuming Florida decides not to set up a state exchange, nearly 200 million people, or 64% of the U.S. population, will reside in a state with either a federal exchange or a partnership exchange. Although many of the people in those states such as those on Medicare or who have employer-based coverage will not be getting insurance through an exchange, millions of others will be.
Enrolling them will likely prove a daunting challenge for the federal government.
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I believe 27 states constitutes a majority.
Throw the damn thing out!
If only we could
Obama thinks that there are 30 more. Let them pay.
Add VA to the total who declined today.
Add VA to the total who declined today.
I believe 27 states constitutes a majority..
not quite there are 30 more
Sounds like a MANDATE to me.
They gave us a nightmare, we can do nothing less than reciprocate.
This is what Obama (Sebelius) is doing. Ignoring the courteous and polite requests for information as to what they EXPECT from the states. Ignored; what are they after? Just control plain and simple, I suppose. They’ve bitten off more than they can chew.
26 states = 52%
Obambi, Reid, and Pelosi over-extended their socialist fix. I'm starting to believe that it will fail from its own weight. And no, I don't believe that Congress will allow "single payer", at least not in the near future. This has been doomed to fail from the beginning.
One lawsuit that is yet to come, is the 14th Amendment that expressly guarantees "...equal protection of the laws". With all the waivers that Obambi is giving regarding Obamacare, how can that be "equal protection"? I don't get why there are no lawsuits regarding that Amendment. Am I wrong?
Ive read this as well from:
That might explain why the IRS is literally rewriting the statute. On May 24, the IRS finalized a regulation that says the laws $800 billion insurance-industry bailout will not be conditional on states creating Exchanges. With the stroke of pen, the IRS (1) stripped states of the power Congress gave them to shield employers from that $2,000 per-worker tax, (2) imposed that illegal tax on employers whom Congress exempted, and (3) issued up to $800 billion of tax credits and direct subsidies to private health insurance companieswithout any congressional authorization whatsoever.
Rule by bureaucracy.
“26 states = 52%”
What matters is the distribution of people, not states. Governors representing nearly 2/3 of Americans essentially have rejected Obamacare: “Assuming Florida decides not to set up a state exchange, nearly 200 million people, or 64% of the U.S. population, will reside in a state with either a federal exchange or a partnership exchange.”
These governors are smart enough not to want to be left holding the bag when Obamacare fails spectacularly. Obama and the Dems have set into motion a plan that will break the U.S. health system as we know him. Let them own it. It’s a hard way to learn a lesson, but perhaps American voters will vote more intelligently the next chance they get.
“I believe 27 states constitutes a majority.
Throw the damn thing out!”
Yes, but remember that Obama believes there are 57 states, so he still thinks he has a mandate.
I stand corrected. Arkansas has decided to do the “Partnership Exchange” whatever the hell that means.
Oh yeah—I forgot that he can’t count.............
Awesome! I was hoping that would come to pass.
Thanks so much to John Robers. You idiot.
Wow! I had not seen that before! That is huge! Thanks for the information.
Bull. Utah has a state exchange. We don't want your unfunded mandates.
How can 27 states represent a majority?
There are 57 states.
Obama ordered 57 Christmas trees for the White Hut.
John Kerry married the heiress to 57 varities.
26? That’s almost half!
Obamacare: Florida GOP Gov. Rick Scott Won’t Implement Health Care Reform
Please, please, please let him burn as much capital as possible on this. The less he has left for the rest if his agenda the better.
Good, so with Utah and Florida, that’s 29 of 50.
We need 34 to start up that constitutional amendment. 37 to pass it! That’s just 5! more states!
I have been waiting all day to see what Scott would do and I emailed and called him too. I am elated he has rejected the state exchange. YABADABADOO!!!
Has Utah rejected the state exchange yet?
Woops! Post 25 shows Utah has its own state exchange. Not sure how the federal govt. will like it but that is what the link at the article says.
If only the above had been the case regarding the election.
Utah had its own state exchange, and wants no part of the federally mandated/controlled, small business destructive exchange. see post #25 for the link.
I have an idea. Take care of myself and don’t steal from me for others who don’t.
14th Amendment grounds are the next method to try if the current attacks fail as the first course did - see the Roberts ‘It’s A Tax’ decision for the first failure. It’s being challenged on other grounds now (First, I believe) so we’ll see if that flies.
Thanks! I looked at the article. I am glad to see the states pushing back on this.
Self reliance is its own reward, and we are taught all the other things on the way to learning to become adults. Well, no, we were once taught... not too long ago...
BTW, Welcome to Free Republic.
A hearty hell yes in agreement with you, and you’re welcome.
Who want central controlled economy? Raise hand please.
No? Okay. Who want free food and medical and transports? Raise hand.
Sorry to say that Mississippi has opted to set it up - I though we had smarter folks up in Jackson. Of course, there are too many lefties in the State government.
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It is likely she turned down the meeting because she would be embarrassed by an interrogation. She after all, has not read the law.
This will be a hiring bonanza for the Dems in Washington. More mediocre civil servants to administer this bureaucratic morass, hired from the ranks of the 47%. They’ll put in a solid 3 hours work each day for 8 hours pay and the projected administration costs for Obamacare will triple. America cannot afford Obamacare as described by the Obama administration. it will be bankrupted by Obamacare as it is actually implemented.
Anybody have the list of states? (I grew up in and in many ways love California, but sometimes wonder if it’s a good idea to move back there...)
As much as I hate the Roberts ruling that the penalty is a tax (bullshit), it was unanimous that the Fedgov has over-stepped its authority regarding the Commerce and Necessary clauses. That's huge! Or do I have this wrong?
1. I live in south Orange County and the city I live in is always at the top of the list as far as little crime, so do many other communities in other southern and central counties;
2. The weather is amazing. The coast is always moderate. Inland can get a little hot, but with little humidity and no bugs;
3. You can snow ski, surf, hang glide, hike, hunt (limited) and many other outdoors activities you desire. It's all here;
4. The people are friendly and courteous;
5. People take care of their properties which keeps the values up;
6. Property values have been one of the least to devalue since the 2008 recession;
7. There are jobs here, even with everyone saying companies are leaving by the droves. There are millions who remain;
8. Many attractions/entertainment venues;
9. There are many gun owners, and other than Los Angeles, most believe in the Constitution.
1. Property is expensive here;
2. Rentals are higher than many regions;
3. Cost of living is higher than many regions;
4. Traffic can be a problem since we're so spread out;
5. Attractions/entertainment is spread out, so it takes a drive to get to some.
6. Cali gun laws are some of the most restrictive. Any magazine over 10 rounds is now illegal. Basic AR-15 type rifles have to have a special button to release the magazine, although there is a work around that has yet to be illegal;
1. We have earthquakes, but nothing so bad as the hurricanes and tornadoes that other regions experience. However, there is always the "big one" coming, as it's called.
2. The State is governed by liberals;
3. The State keeps increasing taxes and fees;
4. The education system is now at the bottom of accomplishment for its students, where it was once at the top.
5. The State Legislature recently gained a super-majority and has a Governor called, "Moonbeam". Think what that can mean for its future;
6. The State is bankrupt, yet the the bureaucrats want to build a high-speed rail system from nowhere to nowhere. Again, think what that means.
7. Cali has signed on to the Obambicare State Exchange program.
Sure I'm missing some points. Just a quick list. Feel free to Freepmail me about specifics.
I pretty much hate being over-regulated. The more the government regulates what I consider to be none of their business, the more I don't want to do it. For instance, in VA, I never put my seat belts on & in the four years I've been here, I've never been stopped. In CA, I got ticketed more than once for no seat belt on. (Seat belts are a fine idea and, but for this Nanny State thing, I'd probably wear them.)
This Obamacare thing rankles me the same way because whether I'm insured is none of the government's business. (I see insurance is basically a statistical losing bet against yourself, so that's doubly bad for me because now they're trying to force me to do something I otherwise might not do.)
I graduate from law school this spring (a "spring chicken" - you're never too old) and I'm a bit puzzled about where to move.
3 more states and it’ll be more than half!
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