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26 States Decline ObamaCare Exchange; 'Administrative Nightmare' Seen
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 12/14/2012 | David Hogberg

Posted on 12/14/2012 3:30:36 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather

The federal government will likely be involved in running the ObamaCare exchange in at least 30 states, 26 of which expressly declined to establish state exchanges. One health-policy expert refers to it as an "administrative nightmare" for the Department of Health and Human Services.

Friday was the deadline for a state to let HHS know if it planned to establish a state exchange. Thus far only 18 states and the District of Columbia are planning on doing so.

As of right now only Utah and Florida remain undecided. Utah may still decide to set up a state exchange, but few expect that Florida will. When asked, a spokesman for Florida Gov. Rick Scott directed IBD to a letter Scott sent last month to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius requesting more information on the exchanges and a meeting with Sebelius. Sebelius has not responded to his letter.

Assuming Florida decides not to set up a state exchange, nearly 200 million people, or 64% of the U.S. population, will reside in a state with either a federal exchange or a partnership exchange. Although many of the people in those states such as those on Medicare or who have employer-based coverage will not be getting insurance through an exchange, millions of others will be.

Enrolling them will likely prove a daunting challenge for the federal government.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; decline; demagogicparty; exchange; exchanges; fail; obamacare; stateexchanges; states; twentysix; zerocare
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"As of right now only Utah and Florida remain undecided. Utah may still decide to set up a state exchange, but few expect that Florida will. When asked, a spokesman for Florida Gov. Rick Scott directed IBD to a letter Scott sent last month to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius requesting more information on the exchanges and a meeting with Sebelius. Sebelius has not responded to his letter."
1 posted on 12/14/2012 3:30:44 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I believe 27 states constitutes a majority.

Throw the damn thing out!


2 posted on 12/14/2012 3:32:55 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: basil

If only we could


3 posted on 12/14/2012 3:34:47 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop
I believe 27 states constitutes a majority.

Obama thinks that there are 30 more. Let them pay.

4 posted on 12/14/2012 3:42:53 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Add VA to the total who declined today.


5 posted on 12/14/2012 3:58:20 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Add VA to the total who declined today.


6 posted on 12/14/2012 3:59:02 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: DarthVader

Good!


7 posted on 12/14/2012 4:01:02 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: basil

I believe 27 states constitutes a majority..

+++++++++++++

not quite there are 30 more


8 posted on 12/14/2012 4:41:34 PM PST by Dacula
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To: basil

Sounds like a MANDATE to me.


9 posted on 12/14/2012 4:43:30 PM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
One health-policy expert refers to it as an "administrative nightmare" for the Department of Health and Human Services.

They gave us a nightmare, we can do nothing less than reciprocate.

10 posted on 12/14/2012 4:48:19 PM PST by COBOL2Java (GOPe: Already prepping for their 2016 loss - Jeb Bush!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

This is what Obama (Sebelius) is doing. Ignoring the courteous and polite requests for information as to what they EXPECT from the states. Ignored; what are they after? Just control plain and simple, I suppose. They’ve bitten off more than they can chew.


11 posted on 12/14/2012 4:58:21 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: sheikdetailfeather

26 states = 52%

coincidence?


12 posted on 12/14/2012 5:02:45 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
"...a nightmare...", without a doubt.

Obambi, Reid, and Pelosi over-extended their socialist fix. I'm starting to believe that it will fail from its own weight. And no, I don't believe that Congress will allow "single payer", at least not in the near future. This has been doomed to fail from the beginning.

One lawsuit that is yet to come, is the 14th Amendment that expressly guarantees "...equal protection of the laws". With all the waivers that Obambi is giving regarding Obamacare, how can that be "equal protection"? I don't get why there are no lawsuits regarding that Amendment. Am I wrong?

13 posted on 12/14/2012 5:09:53 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever. My Word is All I have Left To Believe In.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I’ve read this as well from:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=214735

“That might explain why the IRS is literally rewriting the statute. On May 24, the IRS finalized a regulation that says the law’s $800 billion insurance-industry bailout will not be conditional on states creating Exchanges. With the stroke of pen, the IRS (1) stripped states of the power Congress gave them to shield employers from that $2,000 per-worker tax, (2) imposed that illegal tax on employers whom Congress exempted, and (3) issued up to $800 billion of tax credits and direct subsidies to private health insurance companies—without any congressional authorization whatsoever.”


14 posted on 12/14/2012 5:10:04 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: TheBigJ

Rule by bureaucracy.


15 posted on 12/14/2012 5:20:14 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: hattend

“26 states = 52%”

What matters is the distribution of people, not states. Governors representing nearly 2/3 of Americans essentially have rejected Obamacare: “Assuming Florida decides not to set up a state exchange, nearly 200 million people, or 64% of the U.S. population, will reside in a state with either a federal exchange or a partnership exchange.”

These governors are smart enough not to want to be left holding the bag when Obamacare fails spectacularly. Obama and the Dems have set into motion a plan that will break the U.S. health system as we know him. Let them own it. It’s a hard way to learn a lesson, but perhaps American voters will vote more intelligently the next chance they get.


16 posted on 12/14/2012 5:22:51 PM PST by DrC
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To: basil

“I believe 27 states constitutes a majority.

Throw the damn thing out!”

Yes, but remember that Obama believes there are 57 states, so he still thinks he has a mandate.


17 posted on 12/14/2012 5:29:12 PM PST by Wisconsinlady ("Never give the devil a ride; he will want to take over the driving.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Arkansas, a red state by the way, still has not decided. The Governor needs to get with the program and tell the Feds no way!
18 posted on 12/14/2012 5:35:03 PM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Since some Dems in the Senate have been squacking about the medical equipment tax, i would like to see this.... House writes a bill suspending (I would like it recalled) obamacare for two years because the economy sucks and the public can’t afford it.I think it would pass the Senate and end up on ozeros desk as a CHRISTMAS gift. Let him veto it and own it!
19 posted on 12/14/2012 5:39:23 PM PST by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed!)
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To: mosaicwolf

I stand corrected. Arkansas has decided to do the “Partnership Exchange” whatever the hell that means.


20 posted on 12/14/2012 5:40:25 PM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Oh yeah—I forgot that he can’t count.............


21 posted on 12/14/2012 5:47:47 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: DarthVader

Awesome! I was hoping that would come to pass.


22 posted on 12/14/2012 5:51:38 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Don Corleone

Thanks so much to John Robers. You idiot.


23 posted on 12/14/2012 6:00:44 PM PST by Shady (Libya shows us how Americans rate...)
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To: TheBigJ

Wow! I had not seen that before! That is huge! Thanks for the information.


24 posted on 12/14/2012 6:01:05 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather
As of right now only Utah and Florida remain undecided. Utah may still decide to set up a state exchange

Bull. Utah has a state exchange. We don't want your unfunded mandates.

25 posted on 12/14/2012 6:09:18 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: basil

How can 27 states represent a majority?

There are 57 states.

Obama ordered 57 Christmas trees for the White Hut.

John Kerry married the heiress to 57 varities.


26 posted on 12/14/2012 6:14:34 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: glock rocks
We, in the semifree State of NH, might avoid this disaster, if our Senate Majority stands together.
27 posted on 12/14/2012 6:29:18 PM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

26? That’s almost half!


28 posted on 12/14/2012 6:29:39 PM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Redcloak

Obamacare: Florida GOP Gov. Rick Scott Won’t Implement Health Care Reform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/13/obamacare-florida_n_2295076.html


29 posted on 12/14/2012 6:30:41 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Please, please, please let him burn as much capital as possible on this. The less he has left for the rest if his agenda the better.


30 posted on 12/14/2012 6:34:44 PM PST by matt04
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Good, so with Utah and Florida, that’s 29 of 50.

We need 34 to start up that constitutional amendment. 37 to pass it! That’s just 5! more states!


31 posted on 12/14/2012 6:36:19 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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To: matt04

I have been waiting all day to see what Scott would do and I emailed and called him too. I am elated he has rejected the state exchange. YABADABADOO!!!


32 posted on 12/14/2012 6:37:47 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: JCBreckenridge

Has Utah rejected the state exchange yet?


33 posted on 12/14/2012 6:38:52 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: JCBreckenridge

Woops! Post 25 shows Utah has its own state exchange. Not sure how the federal govt. will like it but that is what the link at the article says.


34 posted on 12/14/2012 6:45:37 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Majority of States to the Liberal Messiah: DROP DEAD!

If only the above had been the case regarding the election.

35 posted on 12/14/2012 7:22:26 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Utah had its own state exchange, and wants no part of the federally mandated/controlled, small business destructive exchange. see post #25 for the link.


36 posted on 12/14/2012 7:45:07 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

I have an idea. Take care of myself and don’t steal from me for others who don’t.


37 posted on 12/14/2012 8:12:08 PM PST by willowdean
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To: A Navy Vet

14th Amendment grounds are the next method to try if the current attacks fail as the first course did - see the Roberts ‘It’s A Tax’ decision for the first failure. It’s being challenged on other grounds now (First, I believe) so we’ll see if that flies.


38 posted on 12/14/2012 8:19:36 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: glock rocks

Thanks! I looked at the article. I am glad to see the states pushing back on this.


39 posted on 12/14/2012 8:47:06 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: willowdean
I have an idea. Take care of myself and don’t steal from me for others who don’t.

Self reliance is its own reward, and we are taught all the other things on the way to learning to become adults. Well, no, we were once taught... not too long ago...

BTW, Welcome to Free Republic.

40 posted on 12/14/2012 8:49:06 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

A hearty hell yes in agreement with you, and you’re welcome.

Who want central controlled economy? Raise hand please.

No? Okay. Who want free food and medical and transports? Raise hand.

Ahhhh... comrades.


41 posted on 12/14/2012 8:54:14 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Sorry to say that Mississippi has opted to set it up - I though we had smarter folks up in Jackson. Of course, there are too many lefties in the State government.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 4:56:27 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Twinkie

-—— (Sebelius) -——

It is likely she turned down the meeting because she would be embarrassed by an interrogation. She after all, has not read the law.


43 posted on 12/15/2012 5:11:44 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert

This will be a hiring bonanza for the Dems in Washington. More mediocre civil servants to administer this bureaucratic morass, hired from the ranks of the 47%. They’ll put in a solid 3 hours work each day for 8 hours pay and the projected administration costs for Obamacare will triple. America cannot afford Obamacare as described by the Obama administration. it will be bankrupted by Obamacare as it is actually implemented.


44 posted on 12/15/2012 5:35:13 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: littleharbour

yep


45 posted on 12/15/2012 5:47:10 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Anybody have the list of states? (I grew up in and in many ways love California, but sometimes wonder if it’s a good idea to move back there...)


46 posted on 12/15/2012 6:57:17 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: sheikdetailfeather
So now that is 28 States who refuse to be bullied by the Bambibully? The one good thing to come out of the USSC Roberts ruling is that the Fedgov can no longer withhold returning funds from the States who don't follow the socialists' distortion of the Commerce Clause. Too bad - so sad.

As much as I hate the Roberts ruling that the penalty is a tax (bullshit), it was unanimous that the Fedgov has over-stepped its authority regarding the Commerce and Necessary clauses. That's huge! Or do I have this wrong?

47 posted on 12/15/2012 8:19:51 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: PapaNew
I was born, raised, and lived my entire 63 years in California (except for 3 years in Spain - Navy). Here is my best current take on the state of southern California - good, bad, and ugly:

The Good:
1. I live in south Orange County and the city I live in is always at the top of the list as far as little crime, so do many other communities in other southern and central counties;
2. The weather is amazing. The coast is always moderate. Inland can get a little hot, but with little humidity and no bugs;
3. You can snow ski, surf, hang glide, hike, hunt (limited) and many other outdoors activities you desire. It's all here;
4. The people are friendly and courteous;
5. People take care of their properties which keeps the values up;
6. Property values have been one of the least to devalue since the 2008 recession;
7. There are jobs here, even with everyone saying companies are leaving by the droves. There are millions who remain;
8. Many attractions/entertainment venues;
9. There are many gun owners, and other than Los Angeles, most believe in the Constitution.

The Bad:
1. Property is expensive here;
2. Rentals are higher than many regions;
3. Cost of living is higher than many regions;
4. Traffic can be a problem since we're so spread out;
5. Attractions/entertainment is spread out, so it takes a drive to get to some.
6. Cali gun laws are some of the most restrictive. Any magazine over 10 rounds is now illegal. Basic AR-15 type rifles have to have a special button to release the magazine, although there is a work around that has yet to be illegal;

The Ugly:
1. We have earthquakes, but nothing so bad as the hurricanes and tornadoes that other regions experience. However, there is always the "big one" coming, as it's called.
2. The State is governed by liberals;
3. The State keeps increasing taxes and fees;
4. The education system is now at the bottom of accomplishment for its students, where it was once at the top.
5. The State Legislature recently gained a super-majority and has a Governor called, "Moonbeam". Think what that can mean for its future;
6. The State is bankrupt, yet the the bureaucrats want to build a high-speed rail system from nowhere to nowhere. Again, think what that means.
7. Cali has signed on to the Obambicare State Exchange program.

Sure I'm missing some points. Just a quick list. Feel free to Freepmail me about specifics.

48 posted on 12/15/2012 10:21:41 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet
I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area where I was born and lived for 60 years until we moved to southeast Virginia temporarily. Our good/bad/ugly list pretty matches your for SoCal (and we love the beaches in the summer down there). For NorCal I would add 1) for "Good": beauty, hills for walking/hiking, S.F., great restaurants, the arts, weather, and seasons; 2) for "Bad": spiritual poverty, a kind of atmosphere of stress.

I pretty much hate being over-regulated. The more the government regulates what I consider to be none of their business, the more I don't want to do it. For instance, in VA, I never put my seat belts on & in the four years I've been here, I've never been stopped. In CA, I got ticketed more than once for no seat belt on. (Seat belts are a fine idea and, but for this Nanny State thing, I'd probably wear them.)

This Obamacare thing rankles me the same way because whether I'm insured is none of the government's business. (I see insurance is basically a statistical losing bet against yourself, so that's doubly bad for me because now they're trying to force me to do something I otherwise might not do.)

I graduate from law school this spring (a "spring chicken" - you're never too old) and I'm a bit puzzled about where to move.

49 posted on 12/15/2012 11:23:50 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: sheikdetailfeather

3 more states and it’ll be more than half!


50 posted on 12/15/2012 11:27:17 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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