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Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States (here we go again)
The Washington Post ^ | December 14, 2012 | Ezra Klein

Posted on 12/14/2012 4:02:02 PM PST by EveningStar

I'm not going to quote from this article because I don't want to make anyone ill.

However, I will tell you that one of the author's sources is Mother Jones. I'm not joking.

Click on the link and read at your own risk.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gungrabbers; secondamendment
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1 posted on 12/14/2012 4:02:07 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Eaker; humblegunner

ping


2 posted on 12/14/2012 4:03:03 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

3 posted on 12/14/2012 4:05:38 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: EveningStar

Fact #1: 2 of the last 3 mass shootings where by liberal school teacher’s nutty (neglected?) children.


4 posted on 12/14/2012 4:05:49 PM PST by lwd
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To: EveningStar
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

Heart disease: 599,413

Cancer: 567,628

Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353

Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842

Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021

Alzheimer's disease: 79,003

Diabetes: 68,705

Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692

Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935

Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909


5 posted on 12/14/2012 4:05:54 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: EveningStar

Innocents Betrayed - The History of Gun Control -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrPvtEVT5sk


6 posted on 12/14/2012 4:06:35 PM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: EveningStar

I’ll wait for John Lott to come out with his response to this article before I believe any of it.


7 posted on 12/14/2012 4:10:13 PM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: EveningStar

instead of making it illegal to own a gun, why don’t we make it illegal to kill people!

oh wait...


8 posted on 12/14/2012 4:12:25 PM PST by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Travis McGee

That’s not real, is it?


9 posted on 12/14/2012 4:13:19 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

So, Mr. Journolist is at it again, eh?


10 posted on 12/14/2012 4:13:54 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: EveningStar

Oh yes it is.


11 posted on 12/14/2012 4:14:46 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: EveningStar

The fact that we find it hard to tell whether it is real or not is a very sad commentary on the status of the nation.


12 posted on 12/14/2012 4:17:04 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: EveningStar; All

Of course, liberals have no explanation why mass murders with guns happen in Gun Control countries in Europe. Or, no explanation why in Gun Control Mexico they have the highest murder rate in the world.


13 posted on 12/14/2012 4:18:06 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: EveningStar

convienent they don’t count terrorist attacks like beslan. wsashingtonPOS.


14 posted on 12/14/2012 4:19:52 PM PST by bravo whiskey
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To: Rappini

You might find this of interest.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2967141/posts


15 posted on 12/14/2012 4:22:24 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: EveningStar
CNN’s Piers Morgan Calls for Immediate Handgun Ban as Gun Control Shills Seek to Exploit Mass Shooting Tradegy White House spokesman Jay Carney’s right – today’s not the day to debate gun control. YESTERDAY was the day to debate it. Don’t just mourn these poor dead children America – get angry and do something to stop these senseless shootings happening. Last 2yrs: movie theatres, shopping malls, temples, a congresswoman, now an elementary school – when will America deal with its gun madness? Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan - Another day, another horrific shooting – this time at an elementary school in Connecticut. America’s gun culture has to change. Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan - Another day, another horrific shooting – this time at an elementary school in Connecticut. America’s gun culture has to change. all written by piers morgan
16 posted on 12/14/2012 4:24:20 PM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: EveningStar

Prissy Matthews was bawling about gun control on MSNBC. Not one word about the murderer.


17 posted on 12/14/2012 4:24:53 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Dallas59

any for gun homicides vs alcohol related car crashes?


18 posted on 12/14/2012 4:25:06 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: EveningStar
Only ONE THING TO KNOW ABOUT THESE MASS SHOOTINGS:

Screw the "gunz" and where they got them, I want to know

WHAT EFFIN PRESCRIPTION DRUGZ WERE THEY ON??

19 posted on 12/14/2012 4:26:07 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (T)
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To: EveningStar

Ezra Klein = Commie lib. Nuff said.


20 posted on 12/14/2012 4:27:13 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I feel sad for my once great country. We deserve everything that is about to happen to us.)
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To: EveningStar

Auditing Shooting Rampage Statistics
July 31st, 2012 Submitted by Davi Barker

Firearm prohibitionists love to use tragedy to leverage their agenda. So, it’s important for gun rights advocates to stand their ground and fire back (proverbially) whenever this happens.

Last week I posted a graphic on Facebook claiming the average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 18.25, and the average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by civilians is 2.2. I based it on 10 shootings I found listed on some timeline somewhere. I honestly don’t even remember where. I presented the case studies in a blog post on the Silver Circle blog and I did the math myself.

The graphic was met with great enthusiasm and much skepticism. Leave it to Facebook users to demand an audit on a meme. So, I started over, only much more meticulous this time. I compiled and analyzed 93 shootings, noting my methodology, and I am now prepared to present my findings, complete with links to the data. But here’s a spoiler… It’s not that different.

The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.3 The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.3....

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While doing this I learned some important vocabulary. A “spree shooting” is when a killer murders in multiple locations with no break between murders. As in the Virginia Tech killer who began shooting in one hall, and then walked across campus and continued shooting in another hall. A “mass shooting” is when a killer murders multiple people, usually in a single location. As in the Fort Hood shooter who killed 13 people at one military base. A “school shooting” can be either of these as long as one or more locations is a school. As in the Columbine shooting, which is also classified as a spree shooting because they went from room to room. The term “rampage shooting” is used to describe all of these, and does not differentiate between them. So that is the term I’ll be using from here on out.

I selected these lists because they were the most comprehensive of those that I found, and I was seeking as large a data set as possible. I combined them all, including the first 10 from my previous post, and removed all redundant data for a total list of 93 shootings....

Step Four: Final analysis

With 14 incidents stopped by police with a total of 200 dead that’s an average of about 14.3. With 15 incidents stopped by civilians and 35 dead that’s an average of 2.3.

The first point I want to draw your attention to is that roughly half of shooting rampages end in suicide anyway...

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/


21 posted on 12/14/2012 4:29:04 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Mr. K
instead of making it illegal to own a gun, why don’t we make it illegal to kill people!

Then they'll just take away the right to bear hands...


22 posted on 12/14/2012 4:32:39 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: EveningStar
YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE THE BIGGEST ATTACK ON GUNS EVER!
Every democrat,every network,every special interest group, and every celebrity will be on the attack. Not to mention Obama will push through a ban on guns.
23 posted on 12/14/2012 4:33:14 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: ConradofMontferrat

Amen! To that!

Public “school teachers” know 1 thing:

“Your son is a distraction in the classroom! He needs to be put on Ritalin!”


24 posted on 12/14/2012 4:33:29 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: ozzymandus

I think that there has been a generation of our kids, now in their 20s (boys especially) that has spent hours and hours in their rooms behind the control of violent video games in which human “kills” score them points and advancement to upper levels in these games. I think it has desensitized many of them unfortunately and especially the ones that aren’t mentally stable to begin with. It doesn’t seem to me that these shootings were a problem until these video games came out and these kids have grown up on them. I’d be happy for them to ban those.


25 posted on 12/14/2012 4:35:33 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: EveningStar

This article is all bovine excrement.


26 posted on 12/14/2012 4:39:57 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Mr. K

Blame the ACLU for letting all the loonies out in the 70’s.


27 posted on 12/14/2012 4:40:04 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: EveningStar

I just noticed that everyone of these mass shootings has been done by a SON!!! We don’t need GUN control we need SON control!


28 posted on 12/14/2012 4:40:55 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

Agreed, and what mental disorder were they masking?


29 posted on 12/14/2012 4:42:06 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: EveningStar

The fact that no one seems to point out in all of these mass murders is that the shooters are all lunatics, mentally ill, psychotic, or insane. What ever word you want to use they are crazy.

Why are they out on the streets? Why haven’t they been committed for the safety of the general public? Because of libs who fight not to have them committed.

Has any of you had someone in your family who is mentally ill? I have, and it’s terrible. Praise God he didn’t kill anyone, but try and get help for them... it’s an impossibility. It took the docs 2 yrs to diagnose my relative. He should have been committed. Praise God he never killed anyone, but there are many out there who would and have.

Who’s to blame? Not the guns. Try our legal system. The crazies are running the asylum and they wear black robes.


30 posted on 12/14/2012 4:42:16 PM PST by Yankereb
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To: baddog 219

The real agenda here begins to play out. This is the Krystalnacht Zero wants. He can destroy the GOP and turn those bitter clingers into hunted criminals by Chritmas!


31 posted on 12/14/2012 4:43:38 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

Unless laws are radically different where you live, a teacher cannot prescribe a child any medication. They spout BS all they want, but in the end, medications are prescribed by a doctor, who must have a medical reason to do so.

Again, maybe things are different where you are.


32 posted on 12/14/2012 4:43:43 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: dandiegirl
I’d be happy for them to ban those.

So instead of banning one physical object, you want to ban another. Got it.

The problem isn't things. It's parenting.

/johnny

33 posted on 12/14/2012 4:43:58 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: EveningStar

Fact 13..........the mentally disturbed were released into society and trusted to take thier meds daily.
Fact 14..........these guns were registered to the mother and she knew her son had issues why werent the under major lock and key?


34 posted on 12/14/2012 4:44:22 PM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: EveningStar

If guns are the problem, how come you NEVER hear of mass homicides on GUN RANGES?!!


35 posted on 12/14/2012 4:44:22 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: EveningStar
Let's say for the moment, that guns are eventually outlawed...

Shouldn't there be some type of "shared sacrifice?" It's all for the children, you know. Gun owners shouldn't be the only ones to have to give up their right to ownership.

Shouldn't all types of media be it books, movies, TV shows, video games, etc, etc, be cleansed from every and all depictions or even insinuations of a firearm or weapons? It's for the children. We don't want them to know what a gun is and what its purpose is.

All law enforcement should immediately destroy their arms as well. If no one owns a firearm, then its only natural that society will be completely safe. Absolutely NO PERSON should be allowed to even be protected by anyone with a firearm, ranging from the President to the Hollywood actor to the richest person in the country.

The words "gun" "firearm" etc should be erased from society. All past media, be they history books, classic movies, documentaries, EVERY FORM of media should be cleansed from the idea of firearms. History should be taught in a way the completely leaves out the use of weapons.

These ideas are completely ludicrous, of course, but I was just thinking along these lines. The owner's of weapons should not be the only ones to suffer. Hollywood and the news media make TONS of cash off of the imagery and sensationalization of gun violence. Let them suffer too.

36 posted on 12/14/2012 4:44:55 PM PST by abishai
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

You know exactly what I mean. Klebal and Harris (sp?) of Columbine fame were jacked up on that crap. I’ll bet this huckleberry was too.

And then I’ll be he SUDDENLY STOPPED taking it!

That girl who shot up a mall in Florida in the ‘80’s did that. She was jacked up on Prozac. She stopped taking it. 2 month later she was dressed in camo, shooting up the mall before Christmas. Of course the propaganda machine only focused on the fact that she was using an “assault” rifle.


37 posted on 12/14/2012 4:45:01 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Who said they prescribe it? I didn’t.

Are you saying they don’t know of its existance?

They sure do! They have “school councelors” who can help you.


38 posted on 12/14/2012 4:52:08 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Yankereb

And thanks to HIPPA laws, doctors do not have to release information on mentally disturbed people to the public.

An FFL dealer has to take the crazy persons word that he isn’t crazy.


39 posted on 12/14/2012 4:52:11 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

My point is...teachers can “SAY” any dumb thing they want. They can DO nothing to make it happen. Only a doctor can.

And school counselors are equally powerless to do no more than talk when it comes to medications.


40 posted on 12/14/2012 4:55:59 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: EveningStar

Homosexual behavior kills even more people but it’s promoted as a virtue.


41 posted on 12/14/2012 5:00:52 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: EveningStar

Homosexual behavior kills even more people but it’s promoted as a virtue.


42 posted on 12/14/2012 5:01:27 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: baddog 219

I hope gun sales soar to new heights...


43 posted on 12/14/2012 5:07:06 PM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: ronnie raygun

I wonder if he was on an anti-depressent..its known that they can cause sucidal thoughts


44 posted on 12/14/2012 5:08:53 PM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: EveningStar

Those stats are crap!


45 posted on 12/14/2012 5:11:27 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Travis McGee

No one aged 6 can write like that!

What we need is trained dogs at the entrance to sniff out the TERMINATORS.


46 posted on 12/14/2012 5:14:36 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SAVE THE SUMATRAN RAT MONKEY!)
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To: ozzymandus

Remember how Sarah Brady was dancing in the blood of those children killed by a young Indian boy? He stole his father’s (a tribal cop) pistol to do it.


47 posted on 12/14/2012 5:16:58 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SAVE THE SUMATRAN RAT MONKEY!)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
"Blame the ACLU for letting all the loonies out in the 70’s."

BULLSEYE! Blame the ACLU lawyers and liberal politicians for the psychiatric hospital deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill that has taken place since 1972.

Of the 18 school massacres reported in US history, only TWO took place before 1972!

48 posted on 12/14/2012 5:18:40 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: EveningStar

One thing that I can guarantee without any doubt: If I place a loaded gun on a table with 50 people around it and none of them touch the gun, that gun will not injure anyone. Just like any other object that can cause a fatality (a car, a chainsaw, an ax), it is harmless but for the human factor. So, let’s ban people - all will be well then!


49 posted on 12/14/2012 5:25:16 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: baddog 219

And the UN will lead the attack on our 2nd Amendment.


50 posted on 12/14/2012 5:30:05 PM PST by 353FMG
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