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Should Snyder Sign Bill Allowing Concealed Weapons in Schools? (MI)(POLL)
northville.patch.com ^ | 14 December, 2012 | Clare Pfeiffer Ramsey

Posted on 12/14/2012 6:33:44 PM PST by marktwain

Should Michigan's governor sign a bill on is desk that would allow concealed weapons in former no-gun zones, like schools?

The question is timely for two reasons:

* Under legislation that passed the House and Senate in Michigan this week, gun owners with concealed weapon permits could carry a gun into schools, daycares, hospitals or public arenas if they get extra training. The bill is awaiting Gov. Rick Snyder's signature, according to MLive.

* And on Friday, a gunman opened fire in a school in Newtown, CT, killing at least 27 at an elementary school, including 18 children.

(Excerpt) Read more at northville.patch.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; mi; michigan; school
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The silly internet poll needs freeping. It is about evenly split with very low vote totals.
1 posted on 12/14/2012 6:33:56 PM PST by marktwain
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To: cripplecreek

Ping.


2 posted on 12/14/2012 6:35:45 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: marktwain

wide open carry.


3 posted on 12/14/2012 6:35:48 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: marktwain

Requires registration — no thanks.

One armed teacher or administrator would have saved dozens of lives today.


4 posted on 12/14/2012 6:37:23 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: marktwain

I tried but it wants me to join whatever it is.... I think such a measure is long overdue. The only time I don’t have a gun around is at work. The rest of the time, there is at least one handy. And I hate the thought that one day I would have to face off against an armed man with only the sharp end of a broken yardstick.


5 posted on 12/14/2012 6:38:08 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Michigan Gun Poll

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Weekly/biweekly Michigan legislative activism thread December 7, 2012
6 posted on 12/14/2012 6:40:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

Snyder on twitter if you want to tell him yourself.

https://twitter.com/onetoughnerd


7 posted on 12/14/2012 6:41:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

Adam Lanza walked into a CT school today with no permit whatsoever. How in the hell could we trust law-abiding citizens with guns in schools? /s


8 posted on 12/14/2012 6:42:49 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: cripplecreek

Thanks! Excellent idea!


9 posted on 12/14/2012 6:42:49 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Twitter is pretty handy for that sort of direct access sort of thing. Snyder appears to have someone on twitter pretty much all the time.


10 posted on 12/14/2012 6:50:43 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

They should train all teachers who desire, to be reserve police officers—problem solved.


11 posted on 12/14/2012 6:53:17 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: freedumb2003
Requires registration — no thanks.

Fake it. Type in anything (like hsgbdbnh). Then gshhdgggh@yahoo.com. It doesn't matter. It'll take it.

12 posted on 12/14/2012 6:55:21 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: marktwain
A practical approach to school security:

It seems to work well for the Israelis.

13 posted on 12/14/2012 6:55:51 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Michigan is gun country and I can’t remember the last mass shooting like a school. There was a pretty serious shooting at a police station in Detroit a couple years ago.


14 posted on 12/14/2012 7:02:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

You know, I’ve come on here for years, trolling you people by posting the dumbest sh1t I could come up with and laughing while you agreed with me and sent me PM’s out of solidarity. It was a guilty pleasure. I’m not proud of it, nor should I be. But, at long last, I will at least admit it.

But seriously, when you conclude that the answer to stopping school shootings is allowing more guns in school, you have reached a level of stupidity that is simply beyond the pale. 20 babies lie dead, their bodies so destroyed that no transport to a hospital was forthcoming. More guns, that is the answer. Congratulations, you have achieved the pinnacle of stupid; you are the ultimate “freeper”.

Yes, I have trolled here, because I knew that the more I fed the flames of your distorted thinking, the more I was doing to make sure those you support are unelectable. But this.....this is just dangerous.

You fools realize that the answer to decreasing teen sex isn’t providing more opportunities for sex. The answer to abortion isn’t increasing more opportunities for abortion. The answer to higher taxes isn’t more opportunities to tax. Why do you see the answer to gun violence as increasing the opportunities to acquire weapons?

Other than David Koresh, I can’t recall anyone using assault weapons to thwart the advances of an aggressive government. Yet, those same weapons, which have demonstrated zero utility to law abiding citizens, have been used to kill thousands of us, and today one killed babies. Those who continue to cheer on such weaponry have divorced themselves from the rational universe. Well done, freepers. At the root of the problem lies you.


15 posted on 12/14/2012 7:09:52 PM PST by SAR
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To: SAR

I’ve always wondered what kind of things turn up in Michael Moore’s stool.

Now I know.


16 posted on 12/14/2012 7:15:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SAR
Well, at least you've fessed up and outed yourself, you ignorant liberal. Before you go, please explain how disarming innocent people protects innocent people.


17 posted on 12/14/2012 7:20:04 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: TheOldLady; SAR

Got a live one here...come play before the mods find it.


18 posted on 12/14/2012 7:21:49 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: marktwain

A gun is a tool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKqdoRBid5E


19 posted on 12/14/2012 7:23:36 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: SAR; All

Here it comes, folks. And our good friend SAR just showed us exactly what they’re going to say and how they’re going to say it.

So when you hear someone like SAR saying this stuff to use it to strip you of your God given and Constitutuonally protected 2nd Amendment rights remember this. SAR hand those like him or her have addresses. They go to work, they go shopping, they go to the bar, they go to the movies. It’s simply impossible for them to maintain a security perimeter of any kind indefinitely. Use that.

And remember this, anyone who wants the Government to disarm you wants to do something to you and they don’t want you to be able to resist.

Think about that for a minute.

Sleep well SAR. We all have to sleep sometime.


20 posted on 12/14/2012 7:25:31 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: marktwain

Tough and armed vets as teachers are the way to go. They can clear the way for our women to properly teach kids who show respect and an interest to learn.

My swim coach was a veteran of Guadalcanal. My algebra teacher landed at Normandy. My English teacher was really cute, and she wore low-cut blouses.


21 posted on 12/14/2012 7:25:40 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Wiggins

We were able to bring guns to school for hunting into the 80s. Still no shootings at my old school. (or thousands of others)


22 posted on 12/14/2012 7:26:09 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Lurker

I made sure to save the text of the post to notepad for educational purposes.


23 posted on 12/14/2012 7:27:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SAR

well, bye.


24 posted on 12/14/2012 7:28:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: freedumb2003

One armed teacher or administrator would have saved dozens of lives today.>>>>>>>>>>>

Thats a fact. And on top of it the teachers of today are “ in loco parentis” they have a duty to keep students safe.
That duty can only be discharged completely if a teacher is carrying, or has ready access to a classroom/school arms locker.

Thats a pure fact. But today the large majority of teachers are so 2nd amendment challenged that they cannot even contemplate the necessit involved.

Obama will attempt to make us all into sheep once again, using this tragedy.Eff him and his whole crew.Our schools need to be kept safe, and this can only happen if teachers carry or have access to self defence arms at school.

Connecticut has gun control laws, but a fat lot of good they did.


25 posted on 12/14/2012 7:30:13 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Jim Robinson

LOL!!


26 posted on 12/14/2012 7:31:19 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: freedumb2003

If Lanza know that he may be facing a weapon other than his own at the school, he would have finished himself off at home.


27 posted on 12/14/2012 7:34:31 PM PST by oyez (Hell must be a Gun Free Zone.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you. This one had been around since 2005, IIRC. There really are sleeper agents in FR.


28 posted on 12/14/2012 7:35:55 PM PST by Truth29
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To: marktwain

Bump.


29 posted on 12/14/2012 7:38:19 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: SAR
By definition, the media covers events like today's school shootings. They are "NEWS." In the overwhelming majority of cases when guns are used to protect and/or save someone from harm, there's no media present and no harm to the innocent. Hence, no "news."

IOW, you only hear/read about the bad events that receive the media coverage. You don't hear about them when a person successfully defends him/herself with a gun.

30 posted on 12/14/2012 7:39:38 PM PST by Prov3456
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To: SAR; TigersEye; mojitojoe; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; MestaMachine; stephenjohnbanker

You are a sick little liberal fascist.

Thousands of one room school houses across the nation were kept safe by a shotgun standing in the corner, over these last 100 years.

Come to think of it, you can come on over here, I ‘ll give you my address, and I would be happy to show you exactly what I mean. Or perhaps visit a school district in Israel?

The duty of teachers is to keep children safe at school, they stand in loco parentis. That danger now includes shooters who would enter the school and kill students. The answer, and the only answer of any American who has an ounce of sense is to arm teachers and make sure they are trained to discharge their duty to keep students safe.

Its just that simple.Meanwhile you think that disarming law abiding citizens is the answer, so that they too will be victims to the next crazy a$$hole like you are who comes along armed?..... Making Americans all into sheep who must depend on others for self defence, one of the most basic human rights of any civilized nation?

Buahahahahaha! Take a long walk of a short pier you flaming liberal fascist idiot.


31 posted on 12/14/2012 7:41:33 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Truth29

Been reading through it’s posts. Pretty much tried to fly under the radar from what I can tell.


32 posted on 12/14/2012 7:46:29 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: SAR

I have met the enemy and they is...you!


33 posted on 12/14/2012 7:50:13 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: SAR
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34 posted on 12/14/2012 7:53:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek; Windflier

Dang, you wander off to clean up the kitchen and you miss a lot!

BAM! Zotted!


35 posted on 12/14/2012 8:02:50 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: cripplecreek; Windflier

Dang, you wander off to clean up the kitchen and you miss a lot!

BAM! Zotted!

What an idiot, and what ridiculous arguments. You can’t stop teenage sex with more teenage sex. You can stop an evildoer with a gun, using another gun, and it happens all the time.


36 posted on 12/14/2012 8:04:55 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, that ZOT was Awesome!

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37 posted on 12/14/2012 8:18:05 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

“The answer, and the only answer of any American who has an ounce of sense is to arm teachers and make sure they are trained to discharge their duty to keep students safe.”

Amen, Amen, Amen...!!


38 posted on 12/14/2012 8:22:06 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Jim Robinson; cripplecreek

IATZ

Nice shootin’.


39 posted on 12/14/2012 8:28:19 PM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: FreedomPoster
BAM! Zotted!

What an idiot, and what ridiculous arguments. You can’t stop teenage sex with more teenage sex. You can stop an evildoer with a gun, using another gun, and it happens all the time.

What's really annoying, is that the guy joined up here and lied about himself to get in our good graces. Typical liberal. I'm sure he feels smug and self-righteous about cheating and lying to fool a community of people who trusted him.

SAR, I know you're reading here and having a laugh, but the joke's on you. What you did was wrong, and no amount of gloating on your part will change that. You put a black mark on your own heart, and you're gonna carry that weight, my friend.

40 posted on 12/14/2012 8:34:45 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: marktwain

While I believe no gun control policy could stop mass shootings like this and therefore calls for more gun control in order to stop these massacres are in vain, I have to say I don’t see how the usual response from 2nd amendment activists that “if only an armed citizen could have been there to stop this” can apply here. Who is armed, the teachers? Should we have armed patrols at every school in the country?


41 posted on 12/14/2012 8:55:34 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Candor7

Well interesting enough we put armed Sky Marshals on airliners and now have pilots armed on the planes. There is a difference?


42 posted on 12/14/2012 9:11:57 PM PST by dvan (Send Them Home!)
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To: SAR

you don’t seem to realize that if the perp had known that EVERY TEACHER, CUSTODIAN, COUNSELOR, ETC. was armed in that school he would not have even considered invading it???????


43 posted on 12/14/2012 9:49:47 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Candor7

That guy is brain dead. His logic is a half-arsed as it gets. Oh, well! One less 0bama Zombie troll.


44 posted on 12/14/2012 10:29:45 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: terycarl; SAR

and if the principal had been packing and knew how to use it, there may have been a very different outcome.


45 posted on 12/14/2012 10:58:05 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: LifeComesFirst

See pic in post #13.

That teacher is packing some serious heat!


46 posted on 12/14/2012 11:08:21 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: cripplecreek

Yep, seems his stupidity knows no bounds!


47 posted on 12/15/2012 4:25:32 AM PST by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: marktwain

They should make it mandatory that a percentage of the staff is trained and armed. Maybe even pay the armed ones a little bonus for pulling double duty.


48 posted on 12/15/2012 5:13:10 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: SAR

Actually, I think you’re lying. I think you’ve been an indecisive mush all along, and now with a terrible incident, you’re just swaying in the wind again. Whichever way it blows.


49 posted on 12/15/2012 7:52:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: FreedomPoster

Where did you get that picture from? It’s awesome.


50 posted on 12/15/2012 8:57:25 AM PST by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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