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Tom Monaghan sues feds over new health care law (Domino's Founder)
MyFoxNY ^ | December 14, 2012 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/15/2012 12:33:27 AM PST by true believer forever

Edited on 12/15/2012 5:34:48 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

"Tom Monaghan, a devout Roman Catholic, says contraception is not health care and instead is a "gravely immoral" practice. He's a plaintiff in a lawsuit filed Friday in federal court, along with his Domino's Farms, which runs an office park near Ann Arbor.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dominos; lawsuits; notbreakingnews; obamacare
They certainly don't have the best pizza, in my opinion, but from now they are the only pizza for me! And their thin crust is not too bad at all.
1 posted on 12/15/2012 12:33:39 AM PST by true believer forever
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To: true believer forever

Monaghan sold Domino’s back in 1998 to Bain Capital.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 12:42:02 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

‘Monaghan sold Domino’s back in 1998 to Bain Capital.’

So what?


3 posted on 12/15/2012 12:50:35 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: A.A. Cunningham

93%


4 posted on 12/15/2012 12:54:36 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: AlmaKing
So that's why it's Domino's Farms in court and not Domino's Pizza.
5 posted on 12/15/2012 12:56:14 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: AlmaKing

Sit up higher in your chair so reality doesn’t sail so far over your grape, granny.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 1:08:12 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: true believer forever
"Tom Monaghan, a devout Roman Catholic, says contraception is not health care and instead is a "gravely immoral" practice. He's a plaintiff in a lawsuit filed Friday in federal court, along with his Domino's Farms, which runs an office park near Ann Arbor.

Indeed, contraception is not health care. Contraception is a means for the Marxists to control the population to reduce the burden of costs of a totalitarian government dream that is becoming a reality in this country. To implement their godless centralized control, the Democrats must get rid of the churches, and redefine "health care."

7 posted on 12/15/2012 2:08:03 AM PST by olezip
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To: true believer forever

I understand the abortion part and agree. I don’t agree with the contraception part.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 2:10:39 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic

“Contraception” includes the “morning after pill” and other “emergency” birth control, which does, in fact abort the fetus at a very early stage.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 2:53:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: true believer forever

Just ask for a little extra this or that and you can tweak it!


10 posted on 12/15/2012 3:18:46 AM PST by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: true believer forever

The only thing I’d miss about Brooklyn after leaving is the food, especially the pizza. You don’t know pizza until you’ve had it from Brooklyn.


11 posted on 12/15/2012 3:42:29 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: sakic

The question is not what you think about contraception but rather whether he has the God given right to believe it to be immoral.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 4:15:17 AM PST by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; AlmaKing
Sit up higher in your chair so reality doesn’t sail so far over your grape, granny.

Does little A.A. want some praise for being a know-it-all jerk?

13 posted on 12/15/2012 4:31:59 AM PST by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: true believer forever

F- Obamacare


14 posted on 12/15/2012 5:00:58 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: true believer forever

I understand the abortion part and agree. I don’t agree with the contraception part.


15 posted on 12/15/2012 5:13:07 AM PST by sakic
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To: mwilli20

It is immoral to use contraception? If that is your belief then having sex outside of procreation is immoral. I feel sorry for people who live by that code.


16 posted on 12/15/2012 5:16:06 AM PST by sakic
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To: equaviator

Obamacare is F’ing us.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 5:17:01 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Rashputin
Boy I don't know.... He has been in and out of the company he started so many times I don't know what is current status is and if he owns any stock. However the Domino's Farm Complex still stands and my guess is he owns part of it and or is an employer ergo he has a reason to sue. As a side note, they used to host a marvelous Christmas Open House event with Trees, Santa, a Mini-Train, Pizza and yes Jesus. One night while parking our car, (It was a zoo it was so busy), I noticed a volunteer, tall, big glasses, middle aged, working with a Downs Syndrome Teenager helping him park cars. Our eyes met and I did a double take and I think he knew I knew, I swear to this day it was Monaghan. I asked someone I knew close to the Domino's Culture and said yes, that probably was Tom and that he would do something like this unannounced, no accolades...

My other question is will Ava Maria Law School be assisting in this...

18 posted on 12/15/2012 5:23:53 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Venturer
Obamacare is F’ing us.

Sadly no, we're doing it to ourselves.

19 posted on 12/15/2012 5:25:08 AM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: sakic

“...It is immoral to use contraception?...”

Whether it is or it isn’t is not the point. It’s “immoral” to ask the rest of us to pay for it for you. Buy your own damn contraceptives and leave the rest of us alone.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 5:30:46 AM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Founding Father

53% of us are, and they don’t even know it.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 5:42:57 AM PST by Venturer
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To: sakic; mwilli20

Contraception is NOT healthcare. It is a means to prevent pregnancy.

If people want to have sex and not get pregnant, they can use birth control on their OWN dime, not mine.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 5:45:50 AM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: lgjhn23

It is just as immoral to ask me to pay for people who smoke, in fact, more immoral. Ppeople who eat like slobs and expect me to pay their fat ass medical bills also piss me off.

The bigger truth is that things were better before we had medical insurance. Then the boss was not involved in my business and medical costs were manageable.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 6:34:42 AM PST by sakic
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To: NoGrayZone

Emphysema is not part of regular healthcare. It is almost always caused by smoking. You want to smoke and get insurance? Don’t do it on my dime.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 6:38:03 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic

The cumulative effects of life and a few bad decisions along the way do eventually come to the fore. I’d hope your life has been filled with nothing but good choices, no periods of activity deleterious to health, ever, and that you’re physically well above the norm in every regard, with such an attitude.

You’ll still die anyway. You’re still likely to decline and become sick, to require hospitalization. No escaping that.

At what point are you willing to draw the line, as far as conditions that should not be covered? Smoking, check. Alcohol consumption? Lack of exercise? Poor diet? Sexually transmitted diseases? Getting old? Mental incapacity? Not washing your hands after a visit to the toilet? Riding a bicycle without a helmet?

A remarkably rigid, authoritarian society awaits on ghe other end of such thinking. We’re halfway there already.

They don’t call them health nazis for nothing.


25 posted on 12/15/2012 6:52:57 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: sakic

Actually emphysema IS a chronic disease. As is diabetes, heart attacks, cancer, etc.

A lot of these diseases are caused by life styles, sometimes not.

Preventing pregnancy and abortions ARE NOT diseases.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 7:14:24 AM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: olezip

Tom Monaghan is a real committed Catholic, unlike the Johnny come-lately former evangelical Bobby Jindal, who now claims to be Catholic, but advocates for birth control pills to be bought over the counter.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:29 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: wastedyears

I wonder what Naples, Italy thinks of that...


28 posted on 12/15/2012 12:33:40 PM PST by EEGator
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Thanks true believer forever. He objects on the grounds that contraception is morally wrong.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 2:26:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: EEGator

I hold no obligations to Italy. I don’t care.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 8:53:14 PM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: sakic
It is immoral to use contraception? If that is your belief then having sex outside of procreation is immoral.

You are totally missing the point. This issue is not about what you, I or Tom think about contraception, sex or morality. It's about freedom of religion. By forcing Tom to pay for his employees' contraception, the government is basically telling him that his view on contraception is not valid.

You agree with that view today. What will you do when the government will tell you one day that your opinion is invalid?

Stand with Tom and his religious liberty today, so you won't stand, opressed and alone tomorrow!

31 posted on 12/18/2012 5:39:16 AM PST by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: mwilli20

I respectfully disagree. Similar arguments were used to promote not allowing blacks and Jews to be parts of society. Should a landlord be allowed to only allow white Christians to use his services? How about a restaurant? I think that religious people should be free to live their lives the way they choose but should not be allowed to impose their beliefs on others.

Admittedly, this is no simple issue.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 11:17:07 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic
I think that religious people ... should not be allowed to impose their beliefs on others.

This is rich! Tom is asking not to be forced to pay for somebody's sexual activity. In your worldview he is imposing his beliefs on others.

The government is forcing him to pay for somebody's sexual activity... But that's OK!

33 posted on 12/19/2012 6:16:24 AM PST by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: sakic

I’m not going to debate the morality of contraceptive use, but I’ll offer a point for you to consider.

Separating sex from the POSSIBILITY of procreation has deep societal, cultural, and moral consequences, as we have seen since the 60’s.

The incentive for marriage is reduced, which reduces the incidence of the “family”, and the family is what directs the energies of young men toward productive, society building endeavors.

That being said, I would not have any problem with the use of contraceptives within the framework of marriage, since the family is already established at that point.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 6:22:23 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: mwilli20

The govt forces me to pay for cigarette smokers. Can I please withdraw my support?

My point is only that if we allow a menu option of what employers will cover, what is to prevent them from taking similar steps to not insure smokers or fast food eaters or fat people etc.


35 posted on 12/20/2012 12:56:39 PM PST by sakic
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To: sakic
... what is to prevent them from taking similar steps to not insure smokers or fast food eaters or fat people etc.

Absolutely nothing! They are endowed by the Creator with the unalienable Right of Liberty!

Is this point unclear on this website?

36 posted on 12/23/2012 10:51:52 PM PST by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: mwilli20

So, if an employer chooses not to give insurance coverage to a Christian he would have the freedom to do so?


37 posted on 12/24/2012 5:41:21 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic
So, if an employer chooses not to give insurance coverage to a Christian he would have the freedom to do so?

Yes, that's the general idea behind freedom.

It may shock you to know that discrimination against Christians is not illegal in this country. The Catholic Church is allowed to hire only Catholics in their schools, hospitals, charities or whatever other businesses they might run. I suspect Muslims are likewise allowed to NOT hire Christians and therefore not give them insurance.

There are long and winding debates on the subject of legislated equality and its impact on the Constitution's guaranteed freedoms. I tend to side with the opinion I have gleamed from Thomas Sowell's books that:

1) It is economically not in the interest of business owners to discriminate,
2) Racism and discrimination, to the extent that they existed despite incurred economic penalties, tended to start to correct themselves long before the government acted with "equality" laws, and,
3) Government action leaves behind a trail of unintended consequences and in some cases even reversals of the positive trends that started before they acted.

Please read Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics" and "Economic Facts and Fallacies"

38 posted on 12/28/2012 2:12:47 PM PST by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: wastedyears
You don’t know pizza until you’ve had it from Brooklyn.

Brooklyn, as in New York? Sorry, all I need to know about New York and your alleged pizza is Chucky Schummer,.........

39 posted on 12/28/2012 2:18:55 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Politics aside, what does Schumer have to do with the food here?


40 posted on 12/28/2012 3:40:05 PM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: sakic
You want to smoke and get insurance? Don’t do it on my dime.

Short term memory loss Sakic or just selective ignorance?

The tobacco lawsuits and the subsequent draconian rise in taxes on tobacco products in virtually every state were earmarked specifically to fund the alleged medical costs that each state claimed it was going to have to incur due to alleged smoking illnesses........

The industry and its purchasers have been subsidizing their own health care so take your self righteous whine somewhere else..............

41 posted on 12/28/2012 3:58:18 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Smoker’s “alleged” medical costs? That is funny material.


42 posted on 12/29/2012 12:40:31 AM PST by sakic
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To: mwilli20

1 and 3 are true. 2 is false.


43 posted on 12/29/2012 12:42:48 AM PST by sakic
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To: Hot Tabasco

If you believe money collected by govt goes where they tell you, you are seriously deluded.


44 posted on 12/29/2012 12:46:03 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic
If you believe money collected by govt goes where they tell you, you are seriously deluded.

I merely gave you the facts, your problem is with the govt., not the smokers........Like I said, they're paying for the healthcare costs as determined by your state....

45 posted on 12/29/2012 3:02:27 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: sakic
Smoker’s “alleged” medical costs? That is funny material.

Not as funny as yours and the other states' equally ridiculous claim on the alleged healthcare burden of smokers...

But that's a moot argument since the states are already forcing the smokers to pay for their burden on their healthcare systems as I have already pointed out to you.......

And like I said, what the states do with that money is your problem, not the smokers........

46 posted on 12/29/2012 3:13:22 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Funny that anyone believes that smoking does not increase healthcare spending.


47 posted on 12/30/2012 7:50:43 AM PST by sakic
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