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School slaughter triggers push for gun control
WND ^ | December 14, 2012 | Chelsea Schilling

Posted on 12/15/2012 5:06:21 AM PST by Perseverando

In the wake of the horrific Connecticut kindergarten massacre today, gun-control advocates are taking to Twitter and the media to blame firearms for the murders of 28 people, including 20 children.

“Too soon to speak out about a gun-crazy nation? No, too late,” tweeted “Bowling for Columbine” Director Michael Moore. “At least THIRTY-ONE school shootings since Columbine.”

He also wrote, “The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.”

CBS News reported that the shooter was found with two handguns: a Glock and a Sig Sauer nine millimeter. Police reportedly located a .223 caliber rifle in his car.

Why gun-free zones are the most dangerous places in America.

CNN’s Piers Morgan tweeted: “Another day, another horrific shooting. America’s gun culture has to change. When will America deal with its gun madness?”

Morgan added, “Any moment now, a gun nut will tweet me saying, ‘If all the kids in that school had been armed, the shooters would have been stopped…”

One person reminded Morgan that White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said, while there is a day to talk about gun-control policy, “today is not that day.”

But Morgan countered, “White House spokesman Jay Carney’s right – today’s not the day to debate gun control. YESTERDAY was the day to debate it.” He also said the tragedy led to what is “now President Obama’s biggest test – will he have the courage to stand up to the American gun lobby?”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; newtown; sandyhook; secondamendment
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1 posted on 12/15/2012 5:06:34 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

Idiots on parade, Hey mike is your body guard armed, are all your elitist friends in hollywood protected? yeah I thought so. He’s crying for free mental health and he needs it as most of them do! HYPOCRITICAL BASTARDS


2 posted on 12/15/2012 5:09:46 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Perseverando
“The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.”

My God, where to begin...

Strict gun control will do NOTHING and likely produce MORE dead children.

Nothing is "free," moron.

Uh, there is already public policy against violence. Ever hear of laws against murder and assault? Every state has them.

3 posted on 12/15/2012 5:10:06 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Perseverando

Media coverage does nothing for making the best of a bad situation like that. If there are any journalists out there who understand that then maybe there’s hope after all.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 5:11:52 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Perseverando

Mental health services huh? What needs to change are the laws because anyone with KNOWN mental health issues...such as someone committed to a mental health facility against their will....is NOT SUPPOSED to own a gun.

YET...the liberal laws don’t allow such ‘personal and private’ information to be available on a background check. That’s how Cho and many other mentally ill folks can so easily obtain a weapon unlike a felon who’s information is on a background check.
Guns not the problem. Liberal laws are.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 5:11:59 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: Perseverando

I agree wholeheartedly and the first step should be to level the playing fiela and make it FAIR for everyone:

It shall be a FELONY punishable by not less than 20 years in Prison for ANY person or Persons to solicit or attempt to Solicit any person with a Government Granted Privilege for their own personal use.

Any person with a Government Granted Privilege who uses or attempts to use their Special Privilege for Personal Gain or Profit shall be guilty of a FELONY punishable by LIFE in PRISON without the Possibility of Parole.

We need to ban ALL HIRED GUNS, in the name of Public Safety.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 5:14:49 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: fwdude

Moore advocates an end to “violence as public policy”. Fine. Let’s do something about the union goons beating up people and attacking women and children in front of the Capitol in Lansing. My money is on nothing ever being done about THAT violence because it’s advocated by the left.

What is needed is mental health reform rather than gun reform. It’s almost impossible to get help for a person who is having mental health issues.

The only way to stop a madman with a gun is more guys with more guns. But they want to keep the crazies on the streets and take away our guns. What a moron is right!


7 posted on 12/15/2012 5:17:08 AM PST by Mrs. P (Figures can lie, and liars can figure.)
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To: ronnie raygun

I know the perfect mental health professional to issue those free services. Of course he’s currently busy undergoing a courts martial, but I understand he’s a respected psychiatrist?


8 posted on 12/15/2012 5:17:32 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Perseverando

Just some observations, but there well over a thousand pages of federal, state, and local gun control laws on the books today...dealing with ownership, background checks, use of a weapon on federal property, hunting rules with guns, sales, ammo, caliber, etc. So you add another page of law....and that will make all this end? No.

Our drug control laws effectively working? No. Should we put up ‘bear control’ laws to prevent bear attacks on Americans? How about ‘ID theft control’ laws? How about some ‘prevention of bridge collapse control’ laws?

Most of us would agree more folks need to be put into mental institutes but Congress won’t dare touch that topic, and neither will your local state government.

More ownership laws? This kid simply stole mom’s legally owned weapons from her. You don’t even see evidence that he’d ever fired a gun in his life.

The truth is that there’s probably 250k Americans who are mentality unstable and just based on luck today...you got up, went to work, and came home safely. Any of those 250k could have gone nuts and taken you down. Your entire life revolves around luck. That’s not much to feel comfortable about.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 5:19:59 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Perseverando

Idiots on Fox and Friends show are talking about Adam Lanza using bullets that “flower out.”


10 posted on 12/15/2012 5:20:17 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control. It's about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando

Why do they call for gun control, but do not fervently push for a death penalty for these types if they chose to live. What if he did not kill himself, James Holmes did not.
Do they secretly say “PHEW!? Thank God they killed themselves!”

And are the gunmen sane if they chose not to die?


11 posted on 12/15/2012 5:21:53 AM PST by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: Perseverando

I’m not watching the media trying to help the world make the best of a bad situation, I’m seeing people trying to deal with it as individuals.

They’re unable to make the world a better place but they sure try to make you want to believe they can.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 5:24:47 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: fwdude
From Daniel Greenfield the day before the Sandy Hook elementary massacre - Gun Control, People Control and Thought Control
13 posted on 12/15/2012 5:25:37 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control. It's about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: ronnie raygun

The forfeiters of life and responsability are coming out the woodwork, as usual. It’s nothing short of demonic. Those who know there are criminals out there and yet blame those wanting to defend selves and children are EVIL. THEY KNOW AND YET THEY DENY.


14 posted on 12/15/2012 5:27:34 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Perseverando

I love how guns have been around for decades in their recent form (semi auto handguns) but this is a fairly recent phenomenon that has been occurring with the school shootings. Meanwhile as a society we have turned our back on God, divorce rates have skyrocketed, you now need two incomes to survive as a family, and we are bombarded with violence from the entertainment industry. Yeah, guns are the problem....


15 posted on 12/15/2012 5:27:34 AM PST by rsflynn (Life is hard....twice as hard if you are stupid -- John Wayne)
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To: Perseverando
I remember being able to order guns through the mail including W.W.II military weapons.. I even remember the ads selling guns in magazines -- and IIRC comic books.. I remember DoD virtually giving away surplus ammo.

We never had these horrors back then.. what really has happened?

We all know that many demanding an end to the Second Amendment will arrange to keep the guns protecting them.. there's something else going on here. Are they diverting attention away from their favorite meds? Or..

was this and other massacres "arranged" in order to advance an agenda.

Maybe yes in the context that certain pharmaceuticals have effects on the mind that, there is strong evidence, cause these horrors.

Yet, and here's the "arranged" aspect, there appears to be a disregard and even a coverup of the connection -- it could be argued that some in the ruling class New Normal want the shootings to happen

and among them there was talk that it may be necessary to kill as many as 60 million Americans to get their desired transformation of America. They need to disarm those 60 million Americans.

16 posted on 12/15/2012 5:28:09 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Perseverando

“Another day, more lies and horrific reporting. America’s Marxist media has to change. When will America deal with its MSM communist madness?”


17 posted on 12/15/2012 5:30:06 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Perseverando

“gun-control advocates are taking to Twitter and the media to blame firearms for the murders of 28 people”


So Lanza didn’t shoot anyone,,,the guns did.


18 posted on 12/15/2012 5:30:49 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: Perseverando
“The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.”

The above underlined didn't work in Australia, as the crime rate doubled after all guns were confiscated.

19 posted on 12/15/2012 5:32:17 AM PST by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: All
The Lefts' wallahs issue a fat wad against America.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 5:32:50 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Perseverando

How about banning union men who threaten revolution, civil war and other men’s wives; who spread a climate of fear which promotes violence?

What about movie-makers who subtly place plastic religious icons on the dashboards of the bad guys, who associate
Christianity with criminal insanity, hypocrisy and stupidity?

What about irresponsible “lawmakers” who declare that their will be blood because of legitimate due process by voters?

What about banning the ban on the possession of guns by those who are in positions of responsibility?

Just asking.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 5:33:14 AM PST by ripley
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To: Mrs. P

“It’s almost impossible to get help for a person who is having mental health issues.”

What’s lacking is better quality of “help”.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 5:38:55 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Perseverando

Buy your high capacity magazines TODAY. The first piece of legislation is going to be another ban on magazines with more than a ten round capacity, ala the Clinton-era “assault weapons ban.”

This applies to handguns and long guns.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 5:39:33 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: ripley

If we have an “end to violence as public policy”, what are Moore’s union buddies going to have to threaten the “scabs” with?


24 posted on 12/15/2012 5:39:56 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Perseverando

I heard that, he also said that the “hollowed out” bullets were the worst kind and could also penetrate bulletproof vests.

A few minutes earlier Brian Kilmeade said a .223 cal rifle was used for “big game hunting”.

Idiots!


25 posted on 12/15/2012 5:40:39 AM PST by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Perseverando

“...will the President have the courage to stand up to the American gun lobby?”

Oooooooh. The big, bad, American gun lobby, preventing the President from making us all safe through banning the possession, use, and sale of guns by anyone at all.

(Imagine how safe those people with the illegal guns will feel.)

IMHO


26 posted on 12/15/2012 5:46:15 AM PST by ripley
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To: Perseverando

How many people are killed every day by drunk drivers? I’m guessing your chances of being killed by a drunk is much, much greater than being gunned down in a public place. Yet, alcohol is legal and likely always will be. This is the price we pay for living in a free country. There will always be people who abuse the system.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 5:46:24 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Perseverando
Connecticut already has some of the toughest restrictions on gun laws in the United States.

It is not the guns that pull the trigger it is the crazies that want attention or the criminals that has no problem killing..

28 posted on 12/15/2012 5:46:39 AM PST by PLD
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To: Perseverando
Idiots on Fox and Friends show are talking about Adam Lanza using bullets that “flower out.”

No, its true, they do.




29 posted on 12/15/2012 5:47:15 AM PST by crosshairs (Too many things to say. Not enough room.)
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To: Perseverando

George Noory last night had as his guest John Lott, a pro-concealed carry author who has written on the subject. Lott stated that what was not widely known about the theater massacre for example was that the shooter had a choice of four theaters in his area. The theater the shooter chose was neither the closest, nor was it the largest. Instead, it was the ONLY ONE which had a publicized ban on patrons carrying concealed weapons into the theater. These crimes are planned in advance and the shooter, no matter how “deranged”, will always choose a gun-free zone.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 5:49:10 AM PST by 4Runner
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To: Perseverando

We do have the means to greatly reduce overall gun crime. That’s simple, it’s a criminal management problem.

As to gun crimes committed by mentally disturbed people who went over the edge? I can’t think of any reasanable or meanigful laws or actions we could take to prevent these types of crimes.

This is too great a tragedy. We will see a huge campaign against guns and we will see some form of new laws against our 2A rights. Count on it.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 5:51:28 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Perseverando

Only one argument is required to silence those calling for more gun control laws... GUNS ARE ALREADY ILLEGAL IN SCHOOL. How’s that working out for ya’? Guns are illegal in Chicago, NYC, and DC...How’s that working out for ya’?


32 posted on 12/15/2012 5:55:02 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Perseverando
Direct from the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence website.

Connecticut has strong gun laws that help combat the illegal gun market, prevent the sale of most guns without background checks and reduce risks to children, according to the Brady Campaign.

SO - what else could have been done better in CT to prevent this?

We're hearing these outraged calls to "do something!!" What can be done? America is buying 4 million guns a year, BECAUSE of our Gun Controller in Chief. No one really knows how many guns are in American hands, but estimates range up to 300 million. You're never going to eliminate guns at this point. Any attempt to do so will cause serious civilian unrest such as we haven't seen in a long time. It's all just wishful thinking, and an attempt to get gun control while the wound is fresh. No additional gun laws are going to help at all. These people are just wishful fools.

33 posted on 12/15/2012 5:58:02 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: ripley

I AM the American Gun Lobby.


34 posted on 12/15/2012 6:03:30 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: fwdude
an end to violence as public policy

What in world is he talking about??

35 posted on 12/15/2012 6:12:41 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: ez

“I AM the American gun lobby.”

Absolutely Excellent!

IMHO


36 posted on 12/15/2012 6:20:40 AM PST by ripley
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To: Yo-Yo

Dere Infidel Merikans,

Plese hury an got rid of al ur guns.

P.S. Thes is totl ly: ‘There are numerous Revolutionary Guard cells’ inside borders - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2966228/posts

Pece on the profet,
Abdul


37 posted on 12/15/2012 6:21:03 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control. It's about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: equaviator

I totally agree.

If a person is institutionalized, one of the first things they do is restrict visitors and they do not allow clergy to visit at all.

Psychotherapy is based on an atheistic world view.


38 posted on 12/15/2012 6:21:23 AM PST by Mrs. P (Figures can lie, and liars can figure.)
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To: Perseverando

The libtards won’t go for the root cause which is how they teach our children in the schools today it’s easier to blame the gun.


39 posted on 12/15/2012 6:33:24 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: ez
I like your comment so much that I have to second it (in BOLD):

Only one argument is required to silence those calling for more gun control laws... GUNS ARE ALREADY ILLEGAL IN SCHOOL. How’s that working out for ya’? Guns are illegal in Chicago, NYC, and DC...How’s that working out for ya’?

Ah, yes. That's much better!

40 posted on 12/15/2012 6:37:47 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control. It's about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Rappini

Is there any difference between the child a mother aborted and her child that died in the kindergarten?


41 posted on 12/15/2012 6:38:03 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Perseverando

These kinds of people used to be locked up long before they shot someone long ago when they showed mental issues like autism and schizophrenia.
It’s not the guns, it’s letting the mental out in public instead of locking them up for life in many cases.
Our civility is what facilitated this, not guns and unless we are going to be willing to lock up all the mental folks as kids you are going to always have this happening.

I think in pretty much all cases the signs of what to come was exhibited by shooters, bombers, knife stabbers and such in the past.

Answer to be honest is to restrict the mental, not the knife, gun or whatever.

Who is willing to lock them up before they act though?
That is the real issue.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 6:42:16 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Perseverando
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43 posted on 12/15/2012 6:53:35 AM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Perseverando

All this noise, yet, not one person has called for a ban on knives. In China another whacko just hacked up 22 kids at a school and not a peep from the “Stop Senseless Knife Violence” lobby. How many people are killed every day, murdered, by loony toon Islamists weilding machetes? Where’s the outrage there? I read somewhere that there are over 100 (IIRC) “wrongful deaths” by vechicle every day in the US; Who’s trying to get all the cars off the roads? While we’re at it I think all tsunami waves should be banned, and all lightning strikes, and all airplanes that fly more that two feet off the ground and faster than 4.7 MPH. And don’t get me started on the subject of oxygen; I have it on good authority that every person who ever breathed air containing oxygen will die some day. EVERY SINGLE ONE! Between them, George ridgeway, Javed Iqbal, Perdo Lopez, and Luis Garavito killed between 300 and 700 people with their bare hands or clubs. How about John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy, all their victims died without the use of a firearm.

Every tool ever developed by humankind can be a weapon in the wrong hands. The gun control folk keep playing that same old one-note samba and can never admit to the fact that “People Kill People”. To stop it you’re going to have to amputate the arms and legs, and pull all the teeth, of every person on the planet. When you get to the last person, the one who did all the amputations, who’s gonna take him down to size? You’ll just have to wait for him to die, I suppose. By then there might be offspring of some of the more ambitious amputees and they would be born with all their limbs and the whole thing would have to start again.

Sad.


44 posted on 12/15/2012 7:33:23 AM PST by jstaff
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To: jstaff

Ban on knives, alcohol, prescription meds, pot, cars, motorcycles, pillows (used for suffocation) and belts, scarfs, bedding, ropes for hanging. Scissors for stabbing and most anything in a store to poison.

On and on and on.


45 posted on 12/15/2012 7:35:58 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Perseverando
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46 posted on 12/15/2012 7:36:26 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: sevinufnine
What needs to change are the laws because anyone with KNOWN mental health issues...such as someone committed to a mental health facility against their will....is NOT SUPPOSED to own a gun.

He didn't buy the guns. He allegedly took them from his mother. This will not go unnoticed by the gun control crowd.

47 posted on 12/15/2012 7:36:36 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Perseverando
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48 posted on 12/15/2012 7:38:28 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I created this image in 1/2 hour using Google Images and MS Paint. Anybody can do the same. I suggest that this approach be taken to counter the coming firestorm against firearms. If you can't make an image, at least copy and share the ones you find.

Hollywood and the MSM created these monsters, and now Hollywood and the MSM will blame the tools, not the cultural wreckage they wrought. Let's turn the focus back around where it belongs.


49 posted on 12/15/2012 8:00:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Drew68

Yes I understand that, but here’s my issue. They are crying for stricter gun control laws when they don’t even have anything in place to uphold the laws we have now! NO PERSON WHO HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH MENTAL ISSUES THAT REQUIRE HOSPITALIZATION are allowed to have a weapon. Just like a felon. So...why aren’t mental issues available in a background check?

If a FELON is living in your home...you are NOT ALLOWED to have weapons in it. Should be exact same with a mental person. Whoever is housing them should not have weapons either. That mother should not have been allowed to have weapons with her mentally screwed up son there anymore than if he were a felon. JMHO....


50 posted on 12/15/2012 8:11:42 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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