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'Our hearts are broken' - 20 children among dead in Newtown shooting (.223 NOT used)
WFSB.com ^ | December 15, 2012 | Steven Yablonski

Posted on 12/15/2012 5:45:45 AM PST by Timber Rattler

It was one of the most tragic days in Connecticut history, and investigations continue into why, and how, a man could walk into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown and kill 20 children and six adults.

Police said 20-year-old Adam Lanza opened fire inside the school, killing children and adults before killing himself.

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Inside the school, the Associated Press is reporting that a custodian ran through the halls of the school, warning of a gunman, and someone inside the school's office switched on the intercom, perhaps saving dozens of lives by letting them hear what was unfolding inside the office.

Screams were heard, just for a few moments, but they gave teachers enough time to realize what was unfolding from within the building and immediately locking doors and getting students away from windows and doors.(snip)

According to the Associated Press, three guns were found at the scene - a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car Lanza drove to the scene. A law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity said some of the guns used in the attack may have belonged to Lanza's family.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: bang; guncontrol; guns; sandyhook; school; secondamendment; shootings
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Seems that the shooter was only using the two pistols (which he possessed illegally) in the attack and had left the .223 in his car.
1 posted on 12/15/2012 5:45:48 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

If just one teacher had been armed, this could have been dealt with.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 5:51:18 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Timber Rattler

Just another day in Obama’s Amerikkka.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 5:51:26 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: yldstrk
Israeli school:


4 posted on 12/15/2012 5:53:29 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
An M-1 carbine?
I would have though an Israeli would be better armed.
5 posted on 12/15/2012 5:56:47 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: Timber Rattler

That is awesome


6 posted on 12/15/2012 5:57:55 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Timber Rattler

Just a humble guess...but I don’t think he ever fired a gun in his life. And the .223 might have been a bit too complicated for him.

At the end of this mess...you will find that he was on meds. Recently, he probably switched meds, and he just wasn’t reacting right.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 5:58:03 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Timber Rattler
The shooting is too horrible to describe. One nagging question I have is something I heard on talk radio after Columbine. Why do these things happen after UN anti gun actions?
8 posted on 12/15/2012 5:59:25 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: pepsionice

probably he was supposed to be on meds, but wasn’t


9 posted on 12/15/2012 6:00:16 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Timber Rattler

The answer is simple. CT gun laws made it possible for all these precious children to be murdered because no one at the school had a gun to protect them. The symbol for schools in such states should be the sitting duck, because it is obvious that gun control laws leave public places defenseless.


10 posted on 12/15/2012 6:01:35 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: grobdriver

Hey! What’s wrong with the M1-carbine? :-)

She is mostly indoors. It’s more accurate than a pistol, and easier to control (from the kids, too :-)

Anything automatic seems too dangerous to be using among all those children.


11 posted on 12/15/2012 6:03:56 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Timber Rattler

the second amendment makes possession of guns legal...

the act of killing innocent children is the criminal act.

i do not question his carrying the weapons, or the body armor, but his intent was evil.

if he knew that there were any number of armed people at that school, he would not have attempted such a heinous act.

my prayers are with those who lost the world in the taking of their children... they are with the Lord this day and the troubled young man shall be receiving his due.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 6:06:16 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yup, even early reports were saying the AR15 was in the car, but that will be the first thing Obama trys to ban.


13 posted on 12/15/2012 6:06:24 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Timber Rattler

All the guns belonged to his Mother.


14 posted on 12/15/2012 6:07:27 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: yldstrk

All the guns belonged to his mother/teacher.


15 posted on 12/15/2012 6:08:34 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Timber Rattler

He was probably taking bath salts


16 posted on 12/15/2012 6:10:29 AM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: Timber Rattler

In all seriousness, I want one of those in my classroom! I’m a high school teacher and, in light of yesterday’s events, I feel my constitutional rights to bear arms, to protect and defend myself are being denied.

I can fully envision some of the students I teach carrying out nightmare scenarios like the one we’ve witnessed in CT. For my protection, the government offers me an “active shooter” policy which basically makes me AND MY STUDENTS sitting ducks. We are in Final Exam week (continuing on Monday). Most of my students, having been failed horribly by a broken educational system, will find it “challenging” to take and pass some/most of their exams. I seriously wonder sometimes whether the eye-opening realization that, “Hey, I’m a Junior...how come I can’t read and understand better,” will result in some of these walking time-bombs going off.

I want to be able to protect myself with more than a stern, “Johnnie, you put that gun down this minute, you hear me!?”
Somehow, I think the parents of my students want something more in place, too.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 6:10:43 AM PST by MarDav
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To: mylife

She wasn’t a teacher at that school, according to what I read, the teachers at that school never heard of her


18 posted on 12/15/2012 6:12:55 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MarDav

Bring your pistol anyway, you have an obligation to yourself and your students. It could be moslem terrorists next. Don’t whine about your “rights”, exercise them.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 6:15:26 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

That is not what they said all day yesterday.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 6:15:26 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mountainlion
Why do these things happen every time the liberals see a chance to override the 2nd amendment?

If they find a crisis they will exploit it and if they can't find a crisis they will make one to order.

21 posted on 12/15/2012 6:16:57 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Timber Rattler

How many magazines did he carry? He must have stopped to reload several times. So along with the mystery of why his mother owned a Glock and a Sig and left them unsecured around whacko boy, add the mystery of spare mags.

On a related note — we need to launch the Combat Custodian movement. Every school has at least one custodian on duty at all times. And if the oh-so-progressive teachers and administrators are horrified at the thought of firepower inside the school, then I’ll bet the custodian wouldn’t be quite so squeamish.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 6:16:57 AM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. No exceptions.)
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To: mylife

I fully realize that is not what they said all day yesterday, but “they” were apparently not too careful with the fact check


23 posted on 12/15/2012 6:17:18 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MarDav
You are amazing.
No! Really!

I read the thread on Michigan's law ready to sign that teachers can get "enhanced" CCW and carry in schools in that state, and I commented to my wife that, while this is actually the ONLY correct response to the shooting, what candy-assed liberal Democrat teacher would take advantage of it to do the Right thing?

Sounds like you are an exception to my preconceived rule, and I apologize.

24 posted on 12/15/2012 6:18:51 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: pepsionice
A Sig, a Glock and a Bushmaster seem more than a little bit out of character for a suburban Connecticut teacher's assistant, but not at all out of character for a GE Capital executive. I might be willing to bet a cyber-nickel that it was part of a settlement that her divorce attorney insisted on that they divided the household's firearms.

I had thought that one task that government has been charged with has traditionally been protecting the mentally ill. And those who the mentally ill might come in contact with, and might harm. Based on the end result, the government has failed yet again.

25 posted on 12/15/2012 6:19:09 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: yldstrk

We will probably get all the grisly details on Christmas day.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 6:21:17 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: yldstrk

I am seriously considering doing this...(gosh, I hope I’m not being monitored by the NSA right now...)

BTW, if/when I get arrested for the law about not having firearms within 1000 ft (or whatever) of a public school, would you be willing to get the FReepers to get my defense fund together? I’m assuming it would make the papers...


27 posted on 12/15/2012 6:22:03 AM PST by MarDav
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To: Empire_of_Liberty
I just usually see Israelis with M-4's or -16A1's.
Maybe it's an old picture...
28 posted on 12/15/2012 6:24:00 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: babble-on

Or WAS on meds, which screwed up his moral compass. Some antidepressants induce suicidal urges, for teens in particular, and misery loves company.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 6:24:32 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: MarDav

I bet the NRA would help you too. And if you take out some murderous attacker you will be a hero. Just pack it quietly. Sheesh, many various people have pistols at their work, you just don’t talk about it, that’s all.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 6:25:57 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mylife

They said all kinds of contradicting things yesterday.

The mother was a teacher, no she was a teachers aid.
She was killed at the school, no she was killed at home.
The father wa killed. But the police where talking to the father.
The shooters first name was Ryan, now it’s Adam.
The brother Ryan was dead, but later he was not.

The list of crappy reporting goes on and on. During the initial breaking of any big story, a large part of the story will be completely made up. In few days we should have a better idea of what really happened.

Until people start suing the pants of these news organization for reckless reporting, nothing will change.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 6:28:10 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: grobdriver
I would have though an Israeli would be better armed.

The M-1 is a low power weapon and would work better in schools as it would not penetrate walls into other classrooms as much as a 223. I think that she would have to make noise for a while until help arrived. All Israeli citizens must serve in the military and she would be trained to use the weapon. The muslim barbarians are much closer to the kids there.

32 posted on 12/15/2012 6:35:39 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: grobdriver

She’s better off with an M1 Carbine than with any handgun on earth, especially if she’s smart and has it loaded with hollow points.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 6:37:19 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Timber Rattler

And she has it slung in a way that she bring it to bear very quickly.


34 posted on 12/15/2012 6:40:14 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: grobdriver

Oh, I can imagine a bunch of my colleagues feeling the same way (and a bunch of them thinking, “Guns in the classroom aren’t the answer.”)

I live in NC - we do guns here. One of the concerns is that in such a place, when you announce, “We don’t do guns in this part of NC, (meaning: schools),” you are rigging the game. I don’t like to play in games with no-win scenarios—sounds too much like being a fool!

I want to carry openly in my classroom...I want the gun provided for me as part of my job requirements (they give me a laptop, they can give me a gun), I want the choice of caliber/mag capacity/barrel length/etc. If untrained in firearms use, I want this to be provided, too. In fact, I want expertise in firearms to be a requirement for all teachers. I do not need some “fumbler” in the classroom next to me, I want a true professional (hey, they might want to improve their teaching while they’re at it...some of my students can’t read or write too well!)

I wonder how the the (liberal) teachers of America are going to go in to their jobs on Monday (I wonder how many will call out sick!) Me? I’m going in (Man, that sounds like right out of a movie). I know God is in control and nothing happens apart from His notice (and it’s not being hypocritical, by the way. Check out: Luke 22:33-38), but I have rights in this country, and some set of bureaucrats have decided they can stop them wherever THEY see fit!


35 posted on 12/15/2012 6:40:14 AM PST by MarDav
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To: Dutch Boy

I swear, scuttlebutt on the internet was as or more accurate than the MSM reporting.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 6:50:41 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: grobdriver

“An M-1 carbine?
I would have though an Israeli would be better armed.”

You don’t know too much about M-1 carbines, eh, bo.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 7:02:04 AM PST by wolficatZ (Hey blue states....Got Food?)
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To: Timber Rattler

You know this just brought this to mind. When I was in grammar school the old janitor carried an old Owlhead 38 pistol, we used to take new kids to the boiler room to get him to show it to them. We promised not to tell anyone and here it is 50 yrs later and I think this is the first time I have told anyone!

Would the old man have shot anyone over the kids? Dang right he would!


38 posted on 12/15/2012 7:07:43 AM PST by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: yldstrk
Photobucket Just having a gun in a gun free zone can get you 20 years... All schools are gun free zones. The feds couldn't care less about your rights. This horror is again the act of liberals who think they know better than our founders.
39 posted on 12/15/2012 7:10:12 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: grobdriver
Speaking of Michigan, Isn’t that where a nutcase bombed a school in Bath and killed 40 children? I think that happened back in the thirties so this killing of school kids has been going on far longer than most people realize.
40 posted on 12/15/2012 7:12:27 AM PST by ABN 505
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To: ABN 505

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

If all the guns in the world disappeared somehow, evil would still happen...


41 posted on 12/15/2012 7:25:37 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Timber Rattler
Like everyone I have struggled to come to grips with this insane act by this young man. In my experience only two things make a man at his age snap, family and/or female rejection. Just a guess but it appears that teacher Victoria Soto was the first killed at the school. When I saw the picture of her I had an immediate feeling that she may be at least part of the answer to this atrocity.
42 posted on 12/15/2012 7:42:33 AM PST by Cyman
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To: wolficatZ
You don’t know too much about M-1 carbines, eh, bo

I know I owned and shot one for a couple of years before selling it.
I know ammo is hard to find (that weapon started me into reloading) and the round is anemic compared to 5.56, certainly compared to other .30 calibers.
I know the 15-round magazine is half what an M4 can provide.
I know enough.

43 posted on 12/15/2012 7:46:26 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: Timber Rattler

what site can I get that photo to download?


44 posted on 12/15/2012 7:50:45 AM PST by classified
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To: txrefugee

Do the laws in Conneticut prevent people to carrying legally guns? I checked but couldn’t determine if you could carry legal guns there. I believe one of the guns belong to the teacher, right?


45 posted on 12/15/2012 7:53:10 AM PST by classified
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To: yldstrk

They opened a day care center this year, and some surmised she might be a ‘teacher’ there. With everything the media got wrong yesterday, I wouldn’t be surprised to find she didn’t work there at all.


46 posted on 12/15/2012 9:19:51 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Timber Rattler; All
And while we're mourning, let's simultaneously mourn the the pre-born corpse reality that Connecticut was #2 among the fastest-growing abortion states between 2000 and 2008!

See my post #18 at Abortions—Number and Rate by State of Occurrence for more on this...

But between 2000 and 2008, Connecticut had the second-fastest growing abortion rate in the nation among all states...And actually, Connecticut is ONLY one of 14 states to have RISING abortion rates between 2000 and 2008...

...% wise (the abortion rate), Connecticut was #8 in abortion rate...with nearby states Delaware, NY, NJ ahead of it (leading the pack).

The womb is designed to be a generally "safe" haven; yet it is the MOST DANGEROUS PLACE ON EARTH TO LIVE! More than 40% of pre-borns in many countries don't make it out alive...even though their residency period there is so short!

If the womb is the most hostile place to be...

...especially in states like...
...Connecticut & its surrounding regions of NY/NJ...
...and is even infecting PA, which had saw a drop in abortions 'tween 2000-2005...
...while other Eastern states like Delaware, Maine and NH are also rising in dismembering the pre-born...

...then how can you expect kindergarten classes to remain safe????

As the prophet Hosea proclaimed to an adulterous nation: "...bloodshed follows bloodshed" (Hosea 4:2)

A nation that is bent & intent upon killing its offspring cannot wonder how it is that there's others besides abortionists out to kill their young


47 posted on 12/15/2012 9:26:43 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: classified

Right click, save picture as...


48 posted on 12/15/2012 9:28:27 AM PST by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: Delmarksman

Thanks!


49 posted on 12/15/2012 10:07:53 AM PST by classified
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To: Timber Rattler

The .223 was probably in anticipation of shooting it out with law enforcement, to go out in a suicide-by-cop. Changed his mind, I guess.


50 posted on 12/15/2012 10:47:59 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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