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Posted on 12/15/2012 8:05:24 AM PST by blu

Where do we go from here?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: connecticut; guncontrol; school; secondamendment; shooting; vanity
At the moment, we are all consumed with the "how" and especially the "why". While we may get some answers, I doubt the answer to the "why" will be complete...unless some of our readers are monsters.

What this thread is about is what can we do for the survivors? Conn., like every other state, has a Victim's Right act. The state helps the victims (in this case, the victims are the children's families, and the other students and staff of the school) So, if you know anyone who is a victim, please don't let them think that since the shooter is dead and can't be prosecuted, they have no rights. THEY HAVE RIGHTS! Send them to this page http://www.jud.ct.gov/webforms/default.htm#VICTIM%20SERVICES for information on financial help and counseling. (OMG, I've forgotten how to make hotlinks! Someone will help me out, I'm sure).

As the initial shock wears off, reality will set in. This site, and the links it includes, will help answer many questions.

Now is the time to figure out how we can help the survivors, and plan to make our schools safer for our kids.

1 posted on 12/15/2012 8:05:32 AM PST by blu
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To: blu

Its about 10 years past time that the government was required to provide armed security in our schools. And I’m not talking about one 60 year old Barney Fife with a desk in the superintendent’s office. There needs to be two at each entrance and enough walking the halls to provide quick response if someone manages to sneak through the front door. Subject them to frequent psych evaluations and ensure that they’re well qualified and well paid.

If it requires a new tax, so be it.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 8:10:35 AM PST by VOR78
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To: blu

Those folks in Connecticut voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Let HIM take care of them.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 8:11:45 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: VOR78

You are not alone in this thinking. We also need to train our teachers to take these perps on.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 8:15:23 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Sorry, Mutt, I’m so old-school I still believe we should all take care of each other, no matter what Zero says. If I break a law to save a life, I’m good with that.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 8:16:13 AM PST by blu
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To: sean327
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6 posted on 12/15/2012 8:17:19 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: MuttTheHoople

The kids had absolutely nothing to do with Obama’s re-election. It is our duty to protect the weakest amoung us.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 8:17:19 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

I agree. There is a way to conceal carry SAFELY around children.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 8:17:55 AM PST by blu
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To: blu

I keep going back to the school shooting aftermath at Nickel Mines, in a nearby Amish Community here in Pa.

What they did...they visited the wife of the shooter. They brought her meals and embraced her. They prayed with her and for her. I will never forget that...it was among their first reactions.

In addition, they pled for privacy, both immediately and in the aftermath as they buried their own and took care of their survivors. We all need to respect that.

Finally, to start anew, they tore down the old schoolhouse...and built a new one nearby, done by the residents of the Amish community. While no doubt the Amish one-room schoolhouse can be built in less time, I don’t know how any parent, child or teacher could ever go back to that building in Shady Brook.

I would think that other nearby schools, both within and outside of the district, will take on the students and teachers of Shady Brook until such time as a new facility can be planned for and arranged. In addition to prayers, this may be where we can help them rebuild.

I don’t know, just posting my own thoughts and what I observed from the Amish community.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 8:18:51 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: VOR78

It’s time for parents to get their kids out of public schools.

Our kids aren’t just in physical danger.


10 posted on 12/15/2012 8:21:54 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

I don’t disagree with that, but its another issue. Still, as long as the government is going to twist our arms to put our kids in public schools, then they damn well should be expected to provide quality security for them.


11 posted on 12/15/2012 8:25:35 AM PST by VOR78
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To: VOR78
"Its about 10 years past time that the government was required to provide armed security in our schools. "

50 years ago, the mentally ill were confined to institutions with security guards. Now we require that the mentally healthy go to schools that have security guards to protect them from the mentally ill who are roaming free and often untreated.

I'll go out on a limb here -- what we're doing now isn't working. Why can't we go back to the old way?

12 posted on 12/15/2012 8:31:07 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: blu

Australia


13 posted on 12/15/2012 8:31:28 AM PST by dangus
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To: Sooth2222
I'll go out on a limb here -- what we're doing now isn't working. Why can't we go back to the old way?

Its really that simple.

But with the current mindset, impossible.

14 posted on 12/15/2012 8:39:10 AM PST by skeeter
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To: VOR78

It’s all one issue. You’re letting, actually demanding, that government take complete control of your children.

Why would you ever think government guards could keep your children safe?


15 posted on 12/15/2012 8:41:01 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: blu

Remove your children from these liberal shooting galleries.

Homeschool or private school, better yet a private school with a firearms instructor and armed squad on duty.


16 posted on 12/15/2012 8:43:54 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Sooth2222

That would be the best way to solve the problem, absolutely. I just think there’s an immediate answer here that would improve the safety and security of our kids that both sides of the political spectrum could agree upon and that could probably be passed rather quickly.

Bringing back the insane asylums? I’m down with that, but you’ll never get the left to go along with it.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 8:45:49 AM PST by VOR78
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To: VOR78; xzins
I don’t disagree with that, but its another issue. Still, as long as the government is going to twist our arms to put our kids in public schools, then they damn well should be expected to provide quality security for them.

If they are not going to allow teachers or adminstrators to carry guns, then what should be done is that every public school should have a police auxiliary station manned by at least one fully armed police officer during school hours to deal not only with these situations, but all violent activity on campus.

I suspect this incident would never have happened had there been armed administrators or police officers at the campus and everyone knew they were there during the entire school day.

Why, in this day of wireless communications, are all the police officers in a community gathered in one location downtown? I believe that they should be scattered throughout the communities and should necessarily be posted at every public school during school hours.

18 posted on 12/15/2012 8:46:56 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Those 5 year olds didn’t know or support Obama.We must do what we can to protect children from monsters,the adults will have to take care of themselves.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 8:49:19 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: sean327
The kids had absolutely nothing to do with Obama’s re-election. It is our duty to protect the weakest amoung us.

Right.

That's why we have sat and watched tens of MILLIONS of infants - AN ENTIRE GENERATION - slaughtered in the womb.

Nope. I'm pretty sure what happened yesterday is just the beginning of the fruits we've wrought as a society who has discarded life and God for convenience.

20 posted on 12/15/2012 8:49:35 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Sooth2222
You are absolutely right.

The smallest minority has rights that exceed those the law abiding majority.

The focus should be on the unstable shooter and the who/why knew he was wacko.

21 posted on 12/15/2012 8:51:15 AM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: VOR78
There needs to be two at each entrance and enough walking the halls to provide quick response if someone manages to sneak through the front door. Subject them to frequent psych evaluations and ensure that they’re well qualified and well paid.

How many school buildings are there in the US? And how many doors on those schools? Besides the security at the doors, how many do you think there should be walking the halls?

Between all the people providing security and all the people doing those frequent psych evaluations and all the people added to the bureaucracy to manage this new mandate, we should certainly be able to put a good dent in the unemployment problem.

22 posted on 12/15/2012 8:51:47 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Sooth2222
Now we require that the mentally healthy go to schools...

And we PAY for all kinds of special services, such as Medicaid, to ensure that these metally sick kids are "mainstreamed" because anything less is a "restrictive environment" that the Left has dictated is not acceptable. So we put deranged people in the general population and then we ask why they do CRAZY things!

23 posted on 12/15/2012 8:58:13 AM PST by Obadiah (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: Wissa

I never said it would be particularly cheap. Then again, if the schools can hire 40 teachers, I think they can afford at least a handful of security personnel.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 9:01:55 AM PST by VOR78
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To: blu
Occams Razor demands the question....

Q; Are public schools driving kids crazy in a hundred ways?..

Note; on purpose, with malice aforethought, in your face, with no retribution, brazenly, cravenly, maliciously.?.

25 posted on 12/15/2012 9:10:56 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: VOR78
I never said it would be particularly cheap.

Of course. The solution to every problem must be to throw another $40 billion of government spending at the problem.

I'd estimate that would be the minimum cost to implement your proposal nationwide.

26 posted on 12/15/2012 9:14:15 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: sean327

This includes the unborn and elderly.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 9:16:34 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: Wissa

That’s roughly what I estimated the cost as. I’ll ask the same question I asked someone else. What price tag is acceptable to you for the safety and security of our kids?


28 posted on 12/15/2012 9:17:14 AM PST by VOR78
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To: VOR78
I’ll ask the same question I asked someone else. What price tag is acceptable to you for the safety and security of our kids?

It's a false choice. Just because you spend the $40 billion doesn't mean you'll eliminate all risk and ensure 100% safety.

If you manage to make the school building 100% secure, and some nut responds by taking over a school bus and kills all the kids on it, I suppose your solution would be to have armed security on every school bus. And one wouldn't be enough. Just in case some armed security guard on a bus goes psycho, you'd better hire two, just so you have somebody to take out the security guard that went nuts.

29 posted on 12/15/2012 9:29:26 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: blu
These events always color judgment. It is useful to bear in mind--the public school in general is already the safest place in the country for children of any and all ages. Launching the search for perfection will risk cutting into function and freedom both.
30 posted on 12/15/2012 9:36:14 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Wissa

You can never eliminate all risk. I agree with you there. All I know is this, and I suspect we strongly agree on this point: the gun-free zones aren’t working at all and we need to change how we secure our schools.

I’d prefer allowing the teachers and administrators to carry. I just don’t think the other side is ever going to go for that. In light of that, I think we do have to offer up some realistic alternative that they would bite on, and I think that’s a small security force for the schools.

If we don’t offer up an alternative, they’re going to cram a gun ban up our a$$es as *their* solution and we’re still going to have the same problem of zero security at our schools.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 9:37:53 AM PST by VOR78
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To: VOR78

two at each entrance and enough walking the halls to provide quick response if someone manages to sneak through the front door. Subject them to frequent psych evaluations and ensure that they’re well qualified and well paid.

If it requires a new tax, so be it.

Oh it will-- bank on that. In 2010 there were 99,000 public schools in the United States. You are demanding a security force the size of the US Army.

32 posted on 12/15/2012 9:41:31 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: VOR78
you’ll never get the left to go along with it.

You will never get reasonably informed people to go along with it either. Or the Supreme Court. Who do you think it was who decided that mentally ill people still have civil rights in the first place.

33 posted on 12/15/2012 9:48:17 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hosepipe
Are public schools driving kids crazy in a hundred ways?..

Yes, but not in such overt ways. Let's look at some examples, shall we?

Guns are bad. If you write a paper about taking a gun out and shooting animals, your parents will be called and made to speak with the principle. Mixed message time: It's ok to talk about and use guns at home, but don't mention them in school, and for God's sake, don't ever write about using one! Only anti-gun discussion is allowed in school.

God is not discussed at school...we wouldn't want to offend a Native or a Hindu, now would we? At home, of course, we talk about God all the time.

so, yes, the schools are slowly, subtly programming our kids to have split personalities, if you want to take it that far. We need to take back our local control of our schools. We need to Pink Floyd em (hey, teacher, leave that kid alone!)

At this point, I am considering quitting my job with great benefits to re-open my private homeschool for other people's kids. I bet I'd have 25 want-to-be students by the end of next week!

34 posted on 12/15/2012 9:49:37 AM PST by blu
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To: DownInFlames

“This includes the unborn and elderly.”

Yes it does. And anyone who cannot see that is not human.


35 posted on 12/15/2012 9:52:02 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

In retrospect, I overstated the numbers necessary. I’ll concede that one. Four or five total on average would probably be adequate.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 9:58:02 AM PST by VOR78
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To: VOR78

You’ve touched on the truth that nearly everyone is overlooking.

First - we live in an evil world that Satan owns and controls (for now). He is the prince and power of the air (spirit) and broadcasts evil every moment.

Second - if we are to enjoy liberty, which is a GIFT from God, then liberty requires risk. Liberty means we understand we live in an evil world and we must risk evil for the sake of being free of the tyranny of men.

If we prefer to be safe - then we forsake liberty. Safety and security is the biggest threat to liberty and Christianity that exists outside of Satan himself.

Safety and security breeds complacency, lethargy and soon empowers government of men to become god on the promise of making everyone ‘safe’.

Liberty means we must endure risk, and live alongside it every moment.

Liberty also means we are afforded the means to defend ourselves against that risk at every moment.

To eliminate or mitigate risk, to disarm a free people from defending against the risk of evil, ensures evil will triumph over us.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:10 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: VOR78
In retrospect, I overstated the numbers necessary. I’ll concede that one. Four or five total on average would probably be adequate.

I assumed six per school in my $40 billion dollar per year cost estimate.

But then again, I was only counting the roughly 100,000 public schools. Total number of K-12 schools in the US is over 132,000.

38 posted on 12/15/2012 10:51:03 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: VOR78
If we don’t offer up an alternative, they’re going to...

I remember a few years ago when the idea of Bush coming up with his new Medicare prescription drug plan was that if we didn't do something, the democrats would come up with something that was worse. And it works as long as we can pretend that we can keep on funding bigger and bigger government by borrowing more and more money from the Chinese (or alternatively just printing more money).

39 posted on 12/15/2012 10:58:22 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: sean327

It was their parents’ duty. They decided Obama would better protect them.


40 posted on 12/15/2012 2:31:41 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: donna

The government is not supposed to choose a social ideology for the public. It is supposed to permit people to freely speak. If Christianity was not banned, people would not have chosen the evil we see unfolding.

This is just an obvious symptom of humanism. There are millions of vicitims every day with no voice.

Wait ‘til the liberals get the power to murder the handicapped and elderly in the name of “health care.” They are doing it in England. That is an ongoing massacure hidden from people. And then there is the killing fields of abortion...but in National health care, liberals enlarge their killing fields.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 3:01:02 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: MuttTheHoople

“It was their parents’ duty. They decided Obama would better protect them.”

And its posts like that make us look like heartless assholes.
I don’t give a damn who their parents voted for. They did not dserve to go out like that. Once again it is our duty as a society to protect the weak, children, the old, and the unborn.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 3:57:21 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

Well, maybe my give-a-damn is busted. However, we were told this election “was the most important in our lifetimes”....then when Romney lost, all the talk show hosts and Republican politicians just went along as though nothing happened. I took them at their word, and now the Northeastern Leftist Regressives’ chickens are coming home to roost. THEY wanted to take God out of schools, THEY wanted to mock Christians and make fun of us, THEY were going to train their kids to become good little Socialists who adored Obama. This is what happens to a people who mock God, who make fun of His people, who reject Jesus as Lord and Savior...now they’re crying and angry with God because bad stuff happened to them.


43 posted on 12/16/2012 5:13:40 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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