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Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome, And Some US Gun Facts
Zero Hedge ^

Posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:53 AM PST by Perdogg

As we reported last night, buried inside the NYT biopic of Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was arguably one of the most important missing pieces in the story, at least so far, which could provide clues into partially explaining yesterday's tragic loss of young life, namely that the 20 year old man suffered from Asperger Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism (two conditions which are being merged in the upcoming update of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) manual of mental disorders), which has been traditionally associated with social communication difficulties, including flat affect, and one which in some clinical studies has been shown to have a causal link to violence. In other words, in addition to the surge in the debate over national gun control and access limitations (ignoring that the perpetrator of the biggest school mass murder in US history - the Bath School disaster - used openly purchased dynamite and no guns, also ignoring that in the US there are roughly 300 million firearms), perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: aspergers; autism; disorders; guncontrol; lanza; psychiatry; secondamendment
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1 posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:59 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Why is psychiatry soooooo heavily dictated by FASHION? It has gotten to the point that people feel LEFT OUT if they arent’ the subject of some stupid diagnosis.

And then it runs in time; first it’s bipolar...everyone is bipolar....now it’s ASPERGER’S.

Shrinks are shamans of the 21-st century, and drugs are their bones and potions.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 9:46:57 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Perdogg
Asperger Syndrome + un-managed SSRIs = mass murder

3 posted on 12/15/2012 9:47:49 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: gaijin

... and you are terribly uninformed.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 9:55:45 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: Perdogg

Identify all of these timebombs wherever they may be and secure them. I suggest a cranial implant that can be remotely activated to incapacitate them if they go rogue.

I am not kidding.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 9:57:00 AM PST by soycd
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To: Perdogg

Lot’s of people have Asberger’s, and they don’t go around shooting children.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 9:59:23 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Perdogg

I knew that it was only a matter of time before we would hear that it was not his fault but society’s.

It never is anyone’s fault...only the victims.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 10:01:21 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

In my experience, SSRIs are not effective on Asperger’s. And psychiatry is totally ineffective in dealing with it. The cause is physical, is hereditary and they simply do not understand the mechanism. In my personal experience with family members it is an auto immune failure. I still cannot understand why it is lumped with Autism.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 10:01:32 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Lots of brilliant people who have made large contributions to society. Van Gogh, Jefferson, Edison are speculated to have had it. Hell, most of the engineers I have known are certainly candidates.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:10 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: gaijin

You sound like a movie star who is into the Church of Scientology.

Mental illness is real. There are abuses and malpractice does happen, of course, but the conditions are very real.


10 posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:22 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Lots of people have guns and don’t go arround killing people!


11 posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:53 AM PST by BillM (.)
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To: gaijin

I agree, and more. The doctors have what I call the disease of the month - in the 1980s, they were telling women that everything was endometriosis - then it was hypoglycemia - or was it the other way around.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 10:04:37 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Texas Fossil

the symptoms match, it is the severity that seems to differ, in my opinion.


13 posted on 12/15/2012 10:05:12 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Perdogg

According to the liberals the shooter had nothing to do with this tragedy it was the GUNS that caused it so ban guns and all will be well. This is the same liberal logic that causes people like Mayor Bloomberg to ban 32 oz sodas as a sure fix for obesity, remove trans fats from restaurants to fix heart disease and require mercury laden CFL’s to save us from global warming. The liberal mentality is that things cause problems, but people always have an excuse for committing these heinous acts.


14 posted on 12/15/2012 10:05:44 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Perdogg; xzins; wagglebee

Let us stop making excuses for EVIL. Everyone has some form of mental illness. If you read the DSM-IV-TR you will find that everyone you know, including yourself could be diagnosed with one or more mental disorders.

This POS was not just mentally disturbed. He was spiritually disturbed. He lacked the thing that makes us all humans. He lacked a heart (in the spiritual sense of the word.)

There are evil people in this world. Let’s call them what they are and deal with it. No more excuses because they had a bad childhood or they have some vitamin deficiency or chemical imbalance. Those things cause problems, but it takes something extra to make a monster. It takes an evil soul.

Not every Nazi who gassed Jewish Children was suffering from a deprived childhood or vitamin deficiency. They killed the children because they had given themselves over to principalities and powers; the rulers of the darkness of this world and to spiritual wickedness in high places.

This cannot be explained naturally except that every one of us has within us a fallen spiritual nature and is ultimately capable of such evil if we surrender our souls to those evil spiritual powers.

We all have the capacity for evil. It is something we must wrestle against and if we surrender to it, there is no excuse simply because we had some chemical imbalance or bad childhood. You have to play the cards you are dealt in this world and admittedly for some it is easier to stay on the narrow road. But there is no legitimate excuse for leaving the road and fully embracing dark spiritual forces.

I am convinced that is the road this POS chose to travel. May he burn in Hell.


15 posted on 12/15/2012 10:06:28 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Texas Fossil

What are SSRIs?


16 posted on 12/15/2012 10:06:36 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Perdogg

Perhaps instead of one box on FFL 4473 asking are you a mental patient, yes or no, we could ask that folks be given a simple mental profile test.

I know it’s a can of worms and I am reluctant to have the gubermint decide who is worthy and who isnt, but one thing is becoming clear.
Most of the nipple heads involved in these shootings are young and mentally unbalanced.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 10:06:52 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Texas Fossil

What are SSRIs?


18 posted on 12/15/2012 10:07:56 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo
Let me google that for you
19 posted on 12/15/2012 10:10:51 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: P-Marlowe

You said it brother.
This POS was evil.

He killed 20 innocent children and never even blinked.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 10:10:51 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Add in the “fire and forget” mental health system.

What do I mean? Give them a pill that is not completely understoood and assume all is well. Mental illness requires more treatment than a psychotropic drug. Effective treatment requires monitoring and a stable environment. These things are all equally important. What we have now is a system that is horribly broken. We have mentally ill that abuse other drugs. We have mentally ill who have been on the same drug (same dosage) for so long that their brains have been permanently changed/altered. We have families (often broken families) who are too busy or uneducated to really help.

We don’t have enough resources to effectively treat the mentally ill and we rely too much on medication without knowing if the patient takes it or not. Our families are conditioned to believe treatment does not involve them - it is someone elses responsibility - often government run and funded. We no longer believe in counseling and monitoring and have put too many laws in place for professional mental health workers to discuss concerns with family and law enforcement.

We can’t have an honest conversation about the root of the problem because of the politics of guns. Broken families + broken mental health system + overhyped pharmaceutical solutions = ticking timebombs.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 10:12:17 AM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Add in the “fire and forget” mental health system.

What do I mean? Give them a pill that is not completely understoood and assume all is well. Mental illness requires more treatment than a psychotropic drug. Effective treatment requires monitoring and a stable environment. These things are all equally important. What we have now is a system that is horribly broken. We have mentally ill that abuse other drugs. We have mentally ill who have been on the same drug (same dosage) for so long that their brains have been permanently changed/altered. We have families (often broken families) who are too busy or uneducated to really help.

We don’t have enough resources to effectively treat the mentally ill and we rely too much on medication without knowing if the patient takes it or not. Our families are conditioned to believe treatment does not involve them - it is someone elses responsibility - often government run and funded. We no longer believe in counseling and monitoring and have put too many laws in place for professional mental health workers to discuss concerns with family and law enforcement.

We can’t have an honest conversation about the root of the problem because of the politics of guns. Broken families + broken mental health system + overhyped pharmaceutical solutions = ticking timebombs.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 10:12:40 AM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Gunslingr3

Let me google that for you

It means Silver Standard Resources, Inc. ?

:)


23 posted on 12/15/2012 10:13:50 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Texas Fossil
In my experience, SSRIs are not effective on Asperger’s. And psychiatry is totally ineffective in dealing with it. The cause is physical, is hereditary and they simply do not understand the mechanism. In my personal experience with family members it is an auto immune failure. I still cannot understand why it is lumped with Autism.

Flat or no affect + single player video games + SSRIs = mass murder.

I've seen a picture of his mother: rode hard, put away wet; perhaps alcohol.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 10:16:00 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Perdogg

Would now be an appropriate time to voice concern for the 85 people (apprx) that died yesterday in auto accidents on our nation’s highways?

..and the 85 the day before, and the day before that, and the day before that, and will die today, and tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, and the day after that, and...

Is it proper for me to say...cars are evil, cars kill people...?


25 posted on 12/15/2012 10:17:47 AM PST by moovova
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Some people who have Asberger’s develop schizophrenia. It is suspected that Einstein had Asberger’s and that is one reason he was so obsessed with math and physics. Many people with the disorder have absolutely amazing abilities like the guy in England who recited Pi to 5000 decimal points without a single mistake. That same man learned Icelandic in 24 hours. Enough to go on television and do a whole interview in the language. Einstein’s son Eduard was a schizophrenic. It is heritable. At least that is what I have read. It might be that the shooter wasn’t evil but that he was just not in touch with reality. It is a shame that he wasn’t locked up in a mental ward.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 10:20:16 AM PST by albionin (Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and)
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To: gaijin
A liberal progressive acquaintance of mine is a school psych who believes strongly about the programs and placement of troubled children into a normal school environment. They feel that putting them in an environment like this is therapeutic to thier rehabilitation without any thought as to the effects he or she will have on others as well as the isolation he or she might feel being different or not being able to function like the rest and ultimately forcing them to withdraw even more from reality. This along with being medicated is not a safe environment for the normal student body. Some of these students I’m told have very serious mental problems like self mutilation, violence, and depression. The god doctors create their own petre dish within our schools at the risk of one or more of them going off and quickly the agenda driven politician, social worker,school administrator and liberal intellectual turn to guns or some other weapon of choice as the culprit. Did we hear any more about the Arizona theater murderer and his psych and medical history? Gun, bomb, car, knife, bat , if he or she wants to do damage they will. We have to look at the bigger picture.
27 posted on 12/15/2012 10:20:33 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Perdogg

ZHer comment:

A few more facts in the form of ignored SCOTUS rulings:

No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefore. -Murdock v. Pennsylvania-

If the State converts a right into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity. -Shuttleworth v. City of Birmingham Ala.-

The court is to protect against any encroachment of Constitutionally secured rights. -Boyd v. U.S.-

Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abolish them. -Miranda v. Arizona-

An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as though it had never been passed. -Norton v. Shelby County-

These rulings apply to each and every right set forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. All of them.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 10:22:24 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Perdogg
The Libs puzzled and puzzled till their puzzlers were sore.

They hired more school psychologists, and then added more!

But all their Vain Actions were those of Blind Fools.

THE Only reason for failure: removing prayer and God from their schools!

29 posted on 12/15/2012 10:26:57 AM PST by Gasshog
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To: volunbeer

Let’s put into a real prospective. You walk around during a seven day period, and there’s likely six people that you bump into...who have a mental issue of some sort or a drug issue...and they are a potential threat to your life. The only reason you are alive at the end of seven days? Luck.

We rely on luck and meds...to survive each week. If you had laid this out to Americans in 1940...they would have fired political figures quickly and put the guys who are a threat into a state mental hospital. End of the story. My dad recounted how it simply took five folks in the 1930s to sign a petition and a county judge could put you into a state institute. It was a fairly simple task and you didn’t worry about some idiot coming to kill you or your friends.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 10:29:31 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: mylife; P-Marlowe

I agree that at one time or another, everyone can be going through a time when they are suffering from a situation that can be classified by some diagnosis in the DSM-Adjustment Disorder is a classic example often used. I know of or know most of the individuals in our general area who do psychotherapy. Most of them I wouldn’t send my cat to.

Under no circumstances would I allow any government agency to perform a “simple mental profile test”. Not only are they not trained to interpret the results, but the person completing the test can answer so as to skew the results.

There have always been and will always be evil people who choose to act out. The ability of rapid communication makes us more aware of what is occurring. By the time the MSM adds their own biased spin, the real truth, core causes and options for control rarely are known. Sometimes people do bad things and cannot even explain why. Total elimination is not possible.

The continuing moral decay in our country, the turning away from God, the lack of responsibility and self-discipline and respect for human life provides an environment where there will be an increase in the number of those who are bent to do harm to others.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 10:32:11 AM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: P-Marlowe

And What if this man has Schizofrenia? You are so quick to judge this person a monster, Something your religion forbids you to do by the way. If he had Asperger’s then there is a good chance he also had Schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a physical brain disorder. It is not something you get from a bad childhood. People with the disorder can no more control it than they can getting MS or Alzheimer’s.

I myself could have developed it. I have an Autism spectrum disorder and when I was 20 years old I had a reaction to penicillin that caused me to experience the symptoms of Schizophrenia for about 48 hours. Until the medicine wore off I had conversations with the grim reaper in my bedroom and objects around the room were talking to me and telling me to kill people and that if I drove that people would try to run me off the road with their cars. It was not fun. Thankfully the effect wore off and needless to say I have not ever taken that antibiotic again.

So you should Obey your god Christian and not judge this man. At least wait until you have the facts.


32 posted on 12/15/2012 10:41:10 AM PST by albionin (Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and)
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To: Perdogg

I just got off another thread where there’s a FReeper who believes the mother’s guns should have been taken away from her because her son was a loony. The kicker: That FReeper says she has a number of guns, and children.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 10:41:58 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I could not have said it better myself and I agree with you completely.

Evil does not discriminate. It is always among us. Yesterday, Newtown, CT experienced it in full force.

My prayers go to those whose lives have been permanently changed. May God bless all of those who were murdered yesterday. Keep them in His loving arms.

How many more acts of violence will take place before we realize that there is a solution?


34 posted on 12/15/2012 10:45:30 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: gaijin

We used to live in Kenya & Uganda. While there I saw a kid with a white circle painted around one eye. He had been to the witchdoctor and had received the ‘treatment’ for headache.

Another time we treated an infant with severely bleeding gums. The mother had taken the child to the witchdoctor, complaining that the child was crying, feverish, irritable and not nursing (i.e., teething). The witchdoctor said, “Ah, there is a disease going around. For two chickens, I will cure the child.”

His solution was to dig out the eye (canine) teeth “buds” (they had not erupted yet) using a sharpened bicycle spoke as his scalpel. Thankfully, our nurse had an ampule of adrenalin which stopped the bleeding. We almost had to restrain the nurse from beating the mother with a stick. No telling what she would have done to the witchdoctor.

Our Western psychiatric witchdoctors sometimes do far more harm than their African counterparts.


35 posted on 12/15/2012 10:45:55 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: gov_bean_ counter; gaijin

“... and you are terribly uninformed”

Then by all means, enlighten us all.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 10:49:30 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Perdogg
Last week, when the "Bill Clinton - Asperger's syndrome" topic came up, I googled around to figure out the differences between narcisism and autism/Asperger's and found people contrasting basically decent autistic/Asperger's folk with evil narcissists.

It's not so clear to me today that that that distinction holds up. Now I'm googling and finding another controversy about The Science of Evil, a book that relates autism to lack of empathy and to evil. It was attacked by autism advocates -- perhaps with good reason -- for overplaying its conclusions, but there may be a lot more to say about the topic.

37 posted on 12/15/2012 10:50:35 AM PST by x
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To: volunbeer

How right you are. Anyone with personal experience dealing with mental health issues has encountered the very real limitations of the “system.” Psychotropic drugs are simply not able to cope with the complex patterns of thought and biochemistry that produce what we call mental illness. It’s like trying to fix a broken piston by putting a supposedly better oil in the engine. It just doesn’t fix the problem, though it may quiet the engine a little. But then what if you find even that “fix” is making the problem worse over time, that there are abrasives in the oil that are damaging parts if the engine that were fine before treatment. Tardive dyskinesia is the sort of thing any reasonable person would want to avoid, to mention just one of many possibilities.

Which is why the problem cannot be solved entirely on a basis of prevention. Some bad actors will always leak through. What we can do, what lies within our power to do, is to meet those bad actors with good ammo. 9mm, double tap, center mass, problem solved.


38 posted on 12/15/2012 10:54:18 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Perdogg

Trying to associate the autism spectrum to this kind of insane violence is nonsense. The two could not be farther apart. You might as well try to establish a causality to being left handed or blue-eyed.

What an ignorant pile of claptrap.


39 posted on 12/15/2012 10:56:59 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: BwanaNdege

The aftermath of this tragedy is generating an important discussion on the subject of mental illness. If I may, I would point out to you that your sweeping generalization of psychiatrist/psychologist = witchdoctor will not help us get anywhere, other than a caution that, yes, drugs are potent and have the capacity to inflict harm rather than benefit. But I hope adults can look at this subject in terms of specifics, including personal anecdotes & studies, to help us grapple with the crux of this tragedy.


40 posted on 12/15/2012 11:00:12 AM PST by jobim (.)
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To: gaijin

You bet it’s fashion. Heck, they even vote on new maladies:

“After more than a decade of discussion and often heated debate, the Board of Trustees of the American Psychiatric Association voted in Arlington, Va., over the weekend to approve the fifth edition of the group’s “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders” or DSM-5, the official guide to classifying psychiatric illnesses.”

Unfortunately, there are true believers among us into the religion of psychiatry and over-medication.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 11:01:32 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: BwanaNdege

Try putting your snakes down and doing a little reading. Then we can talk.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:35 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Try putting your snakes down and doing a little reading. Then we can talk.


43 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:53 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: Perdogg

The so called facts in this “news story” do not add up.
The boy’s father worked for GE, in charge of taxes owed, in 2011 GE didn’t pay any. The weapons were reported to belong to his mother. A woman with a military style bushmaster .223 M4 carbine, a police model Glock and Sig Sauer, really? And he had the ID of a brother he had not seen in two years, on him.
All this in a State with strict gun control laws, and right after the re-election of the Man behind fast and furious.


44 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:09 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Kansas58
Mental illness is real.

Yep. like the "recovered memory syndrome". It wasn't fashion, no siree!

45 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:58 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Perdogg

Ok, if he did have asperger’s, here is my thought on that from someone with professional and personal experience with asperger’s. kids with it feel hurt deeply, but have trouble feeling empathy. How they are raised would be key to whether they would be loving, empathetic adults. With asperger’s they need to LEARN empathy like others learn mathematics.

These kids are often tortured by peers at schools. A divorce or other hard family issues can be devastating to them because they will internalize the hurt and not get over it as easily as others.

Many many many kids have asperger’s today. Parents need to do their best to develop deep attachments in them, and remove them from school settings if things are not going well. All children deserve lose and respect, even those with serious behavior problems.

Asperger’s kids can be very very difficult to raise. They can bring out strong heavy negative feelings in their parents. They can say and do things as children that are just horrible and uncaring, and the parents need to be adult and not respond to what the child is pooping out his mouth, out of normal anger that he doesn’t know how to get rid of, but to love him and explain t him why “we don’t act like that” because he won’t be intuitive like other kids.

Parenting is hard. Parenting an aspie is 10x harder.

Now we see how important it is for parents to have loving support while they raise such a child.

Everyone, if you see someone struggling with a tantruming older child, 6-17, please no longer say to her “that is the worst behaved kid I’ve ever seen!” Or “that boy just needs the belt!” All you do is make the poor mom feel like a failure and she will be harsher on a disabled person, possibly closing off his emotions.

Autism is an epidemic due to something in our environments. Maybe the multitude of infant vaccines. Who knows? And these highly functioning kids need to be loved and attached securely in order to learn empathy. They need to learn to love and be loved.

Help these parents. If you know someone, be a sounding board to them, allow them to offload their negative emotions once their kid is in bed for the night. Take them out and help them vent. Make them feel competent. Let them know how hard it is to parent someone with a behavior disorder.

If this post stops a few people from horribly prejudging parents dealing with an impossibly behaving child, and maybe helps some, I am grateful. We don’t need more monsters growing up.


46 posted on 12/15/2012 11:07:25 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: BwanaNdege

Dude, a true believer will not enlighten you, you just gotta believe, that’s all! (See above.)


47 posted on 12/15/2012 11:08:19 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Wordkraft
I think this is all getting overly complex.

If you are crazy (a wide generic, but fitting term), you should not be left to live in the normal populace left up to your own devices.

How to identify someone who is crazy? Well, as many have pointed out, it needs to come from the observations and willingness of the close friends/family to speak out and alert people, authorities, that can help the ill person.

We also certainly should have institutes and asylums reestablished, rather than checking people out, patting them on the back and sending them back into the populace as ticking time bombs.

I'm not making any connection to Autism here, I'm largely ignorant on the subject, but whatever sub-label you want to give it, I'm of the opinion, crazy is crazy bipolar, schizophrenic, clinically depressed, etc.

Reopening institutes is key, keeping family deeply involved even when such people are committed, and have oversight as to limit the nurse-ratchet types from abusing patients are all steps in the right direction (funny, like a lot of things, we used to do all this before the progressive take-over 50 years ago)

Finally for those that fall through the cracks, as many a freepers have stated, the only defense left is to make sure the innocents have protection of their own, and that the general populace is armed and trained to be armed safely.

48 posted on 12/15/2012 11:13:45 AM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (I don't even know what to say anymore...)
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49 posted on 12/15/2012 11:14:16 AM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: gaijin
And then it runs in time; first it’s bipolar...everyone is bipolar....now it’s ASPERGER’S.

I've seen Asperger Syndrome up close and personal in *two* relatives.Neither of them have ever killed anybody...or even tried to...but,sad to say,they're both very,*very* strange.And spooky for that matter.Just watch Rain Man and remember that both are almost as weird as he was.Brains can malfunction just like hearts,lungs,livers and kidneys.The difference is that when a brain malfunctions the result can be mass murder.

No,I'm not making excuses.I'd want to see him fry just as I hope to see Major Nidal fry.Too bad that CT just repealed their DP...but he might qualify under the Federal DP.

50 posted on 12/15/2012 11:14:28 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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