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Police doing a late-night probation check get wrong address, go to home of Maine militia head ...
Bangor Daily News ^ | Dec. 15, 2012 | Abigail Curtis

Posted on 12/15/2012 10:19:45 AM PST by Daffynition

BELMONT, Maine — Mack Page was sound asleep in his bed at 11 p.m. on Monday, Dec. 3, when he was startled awake by the frantic barking of his black Labrador.

“What have I got now?” the 63-year-old commander of the Maine Militia remembers wondering. “A raccoon? A coyote?”

But it was none of those things. Instead, Page’s dark residence on a quiet Belmont road suddenly was lit up by men outside his windows carrying flashlights. He lives alone, he’s not in the best of health and he was scared.

“They called, ‘State police! Come out with your hands up!’” he said earlier this week. “I don’t know if I got paranoid or just angry, but I challenged them. ‘Who the hell are you?’ Am I going to get tazed? Am I going to get shot by somebody?’”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; knockknock; leo; papersplease; policestate; swat; thugwithabadge; wrongaddress
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**the state police officials have apologized to Page for the mistake.**

Mr. Page is lucky they didn't shoot his Lab. :(

1 posted on 12/15/2012 10:19:50 AM PST by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

They are lucky he didn’t “mistake” them for home intruders.

Mistake my ass.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 10:22:38 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Daffynition

This is probably not the last of his problems. The state police were embarrassed by their mistake and he will have to pay for that embarrassment somehow.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 10:28:54 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Daffynition
This could have been a bloodbath. So now, the undercover police SWAT teams, out on midnight raids, just go the any house when they don't have a solid address?


4 posted on 12/15/2012 10:29:11 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Daffynition

They were trying to provoke him. Or scare him.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 10:29:35 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Daffynition

The lab was inside and they didn’t break into the house. That is a plus for the cops. Not breaking in and shooting the dog, however, may well get the cops involved reprimanded at some level.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 10:30:54 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Daffynition

In the age of Google maps, drones filling the skies and surveillance cameras on every tree, why should anyone believe this was a mistake?

It’s no secret cops hate militias, and if it’s common knowledge that Mack is in poor health, then maybe, just maybe, a midnight visit to his home when he’s asleep...


7 posted on 12/15/2012 10:33:35 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Daffynition

All of this for a “potential probation violation”?

The state police have nothing better to do with their time?

Good grief.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 10:34:50 AM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: Daffynition

This is not a simple misunderstanding that can be swept under the rug. To many wrong addresses keep happening.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 10:35:46 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

Where I come from we call it a pretext...; )


10 posted on 12/15/2012 10:37:47 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Daffynition
**the state police officials have apologized to Page for the mistake.**

I believe a formal investigation by a different agency with access to the anonymous informant is in order. It really sounds like a they were reminding the militia leader that they were watching him.

11 posted on 12/15/2012 10:39:13 AM PST by oldbrowser (Put Obama in check, now.)
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To: Daffynition
“I just want it to never happen again. Enough is enough,” he said. “I am adamant on having this whole thing turned around, and a whole new attitude from the state police.”

With that kind of an attitude, citizen, we may just have to shoot your dog next time.

12 posted on 12/15/2012 10:40:01 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: Daffynition

Late night probation check at 11pm that includes “come out with your hands up”? Is that how they conduct probation checks in Maine? Hard to believe.


13 posted on 12/15/2012 10:40:51 AM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Daffynition

The school tragedy had the effect of sharpening public attention on guns, and if the cops had succeeded in provoking a shoot-out with a known militia member at exactly the same time, then the pressure for new gun laws about go up 500%.

Just more political treachery.

WHO was the right perp, hmmm....?? Let’s hear it.

We won’t because there IS no perp nearby —he WAS the target that night.


14 posted on 12/15/2012 10:41:31 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Travis McGee
"So now, the undercover police SWAT teams, out on midnight raids, just go the any house when they don't have a solid address?"

Uh, yes. I read almost weekly about police going to the wrong address. I realize that most cop shows (CSI, NCIS, Hawaii 5.0) are fiction, but really? With all the resources at their command, the cops can't get the correct house so many times? I'm thinking incompetence.

And that is why, "when seconds count, the police are minutes away". Stay armed and stay safe, and use your head if they break in - this man did.

15 posted on 12/15/2012 10:42:13 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: Daffynition
Globalist don't like people in militia's, or gun owners.
State police don't normally get involved in petty warrant sweeps. Shakespeare’s Marcellus said “something is rotten in the state of Denmark”.
16 posted on 12/15/2012 10:43:07 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: ladyjane
"Late night probation check at 11pm that includes “come out with your hands up”? Is that how they conduct probation checks in Maine? Hard to believe."

I didn't read the article. That is what this was about? I don't believe it.

17 posted on 12/15/2012 10:44:59 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: Daffynition
“We did apologize to [Page], and he accepted our apology. Both he and state police are moving in a positive direction as a result of the incident.”

Gotta love PR guys. I am unclear how the phrase 'positive direction' would in apply in this situation other than if it is a Gov't PR synonym for "He's lucky we didn't shoot him [or his dog]."

18 posted on 12/15/2012 10:48:48 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: unixfox
Mistake my ass.?

You've got THAT right, FRiend. This was a total set-up designed to provoke a response quite different than the one that transpired. I fully expect to read about an armed "stand-off" or a shoot-out with massed LEOs in the not to distant future. Zer0 needs cover to exploit the CT horror.

19 posted on 12/15/2012 10:59:53 AM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN...............a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: Daffynition
since when are search warrants good for the middle of the night? and for a PROBATION CHECK???

something stinks... warrants are generally served between the hours of dawn and dusk not like some NAZI's in the middle of the night

20 posted on 12/15/2012 11:01:38 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Roccus

“to” S/B “too”


21 posted on 12/15/2012 11:02:19 AM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN...............a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: vbmoneyspender
"He's lucky we didn't shoot him [or his dog]."

Yup.

He's got a lot of nerve being the wrong guy that late at night...the nerve!!

22 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:33 AM PST by blam
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To: Daffynition
In that situation I would have said that I had chest pain,demanded to be taken to a hospital and then hired a NY lawyer,promising him 66% of anything over $10 million that I was awarded.
23 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:33 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Travis McGee

Matt,

When I first saw this I immediately thought you were doing another fiction article.

Still watching the CWIIPING list for updates related to the call for more gun control. Thoughts?


24 posted on 12/15/2012 11:10:48 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control. It's about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: unixfox
"Mistake my ass."

Yup! SOP for the dingbats.

25 posted on 12/15/2012 11:14:20 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: A Navy Vet

I do not believe a probation officer can give his authority to a police officer for a warrantless search of a residence. Probation officers can enter residences without permission for searches, have probationers arrested without warrants, and probationers can be held without bond until arriagned. The probation officer has to be present to do this type of a check. The cops can’t do it because the probation officer called them and asked them to do so. Maybe an attorney can correct me here.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 11:21:52 AM PST by healy61
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To: healy61

I know a parole agent can authorize the police to search. It’s a condition of parole. Technically parolees are in custody.

Sorry don’t know about probation.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 11:28:04 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: All

1) A person who doesn’t like the head of the militia is the “informant”.

2) The cops who don’t like the head of the militia made up an “informant”.

A young waiter last night said “All of these things are detractions to make people look the other way.” He goes to Texas A&M so I wasn’t surprised that he was astute.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 11:42:46 AM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Daffynition
Handwriting mistake, it happens. I have rental property & I was sent a bill by my plumber for a property, (which was not mine).

His clerk wrote the wrong address down on their work order. From the 4920 house number I gave her, it became 4929 on the work order. Well, that wrong property got some Free Plumbing, lol.

Transposing numbers and poor handwriting, is a big problem.

29 posted on 12/15/2012 11:42:55 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Daffynition

Sounds like a trial run.

If I were the commie in the white house, the first thing I’d do.....

I’d have the feds start “tipping off” local cops to surround militia members in the middle of the night, hoping somebody would panic or think they’re getting robbed thus open fire.

Voila. Militia member shoots police officer. CNN takes it from there.

If challenged, deny everything and announce the police got the wrong house and are sorry.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 11:49:19 AM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Daffynition
“Ultimately, the directions we had, which were vague, we ended up at the wrong house. Mack’s house,” Sgt. Patrick Hood of the Maine State Police said Friday.

Great detective work! /s (Clown Posse)

31 posted on 12/15/2012 11:49:55 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: DPMD
In the age of Google maps, drones filling the skies and surveillance cameras on every tree, why should anyone believe this was a mistake?

Not to mention county property records and the Census Bureau putting a GPS tag on every property in the country. Given the same 'basic directions' these cops claim they were going by I'll bet any one of us could find the actual address and Mack Page's name in about 20 minutes without even using one of those 'pay to ID' websites. With Google Earth and Zillow we could have sat pics of the house and real estate records with loads of details.

32 posted on 12/15/2012 11:59:51 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Daffynition

Well atleast they only lit it up with flashlights. They could have lit it up with something else.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 12:08:16 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Daffynition; All
Scarry - too close to home. Actually, too close to any of us in the country.

On anonymous tips, they can come in like an armed military brigade - over an unsubstaniated ‘parols violation’?

It seems these brigades now pull a full out assualt without first even doing the most curury investigation of the matter -

Truly third world.

What if Mack hadn’t been who he is and had the personal connections he did? And if he hadn’t had the smarts to make the contacts he did?

If he had opened his door and come out as instructed, he could well have ended up with lots of daylight holes in his body because some nervous gendarme with a gun trained on him thought he saw a gun or a suspicious movement? One shot shot have been followed by a volly.

Question: What parole violation, let alone from an anonymous tip, would warrent such a brigade action - and in the middle of the night?

I'd also be suspicious of - and law enforcement should consider - regarding anonymous tips - that the bad guys often make these 'tip calls' in the hopes the good guy that may be a hindrance to his activities - get taken out.

34 posted on 12/15/2012 12:12:39 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does.)
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>"provoking a shoot-out with a known militia member at exactly the same time, then the pressure for new gun laws about go up 500%."

Nailed it! This raid order probably came straight from 0sphincter.

35 posted on 12/15/2012 12:14:35 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Daffynition

Sounds like cops from everywhere should get help from UPS or Fedex about finding the right address, they can’t seem to get the hang of it...........Repeatedly.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 12:25:39 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Daffynition

Try them for a crime when they break into the “wrong address” and you’ll see the number of “wrong addresses” go down real quick.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 12:51:15 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: arthurus

There’s a real possibility that this “incident” was because of his “militia” connection.


38 posted on 12/15/2012 12:53:52 PM PST by duffee (Newt Gingrich for Speaker)
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To: rawcatslyentist; All
This was on Dec 3rd - not to coincide with the school shooting.

That said: Look for more such ‘brigade raids’ -

anyone who has been foolish enough to attach ‘militia’ to their name/group and stockpile assault weapons have moved themselves onto a very special list - TOP for eliminating.

Vying for second place round? Returning vets, Tea Party, preppers.

Anyone who has bought even one assault weapon may well get ‘visited’ in the near future - and will have ALL their weapons confiscated - and if lucky, still have their dog and their own lives.

don't make yourself an easy target.

39 posted on 12/15/2012 1:13:35 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does.)
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To: Daffynition

I’ve served a lot of warrants. It is not uncommon for criminals to give bad addresses. It’s not uncommon for parolees to do the same. I’ve been to many houses serving warrants where the address was bad. It’s not uncommon to go to a house with several police officers if your looking for a real bad guy.

It happens. It’s going to continue to happen. A sheriff came into my house with a warrant for the arrest of a man with the same name as me. (I was a cop at the time) Some guy used my birthday, address and committed some thefts.

He was about to put me in cuffs but had called for assistance from our police dept. An officer from my dept. looked at the warrant and cleared the mess up before I got dragged off to jail. The deputy was a little too eager to arrest me and didn’t check the social security numbers. They didn’t match.

And another thing, not all cops hate militias. Even though I’m a little past the official age, I am the militia.


40 posted on 12/15/2012 2:24:54 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

I stand corrected, I’m not over the official age. Even better.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 2:30:27 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

So, both you & Mr. Page...*knew* someone downtown to *clear up* the mistake. Howzbout those of us who don’t have someone at headquarters to vouch for us?


42 posted on 12/15/2012 2:58:04 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: maine-iac7

http://www.constitution.org/mil/me/mil_usme.htm

I clicked around these sites...and it looks like they try to be politically correct....at every step.

I’m more curious about *how* the cops ended up on this wild goose chase.

**troopers were acting on a citizen’s tip about a possible probation violation concerning a person believed to live on that road.**

WTH?


43 posted on 12/15/2012 3:04:18 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: maine-iac7

http://bangordailynews.com/2010/10/29/news/maine-militia-fights-public-perception/


44 posted on 12/15/2012 3:13:31 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: maine-iac7
Friend on the force told me once that when things get slow and beds empty in jail the police troops do sweeps of probationers because most are young and will be in violation one way or another (smoking, alcohol present on property, some illegal substance in house, stolen property, underage females..., registration expired...on and on doing the bogus things young people do) Probation expectations are so stringent that they always can be brought in.

We have become a totalitarian police state.

45 posted on 12/15/2012 3:14:40 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: swamprebel

I still remember Hamlet from my German class:

“Etwas ist faul im Staate Dänemark.”


46 posted on 12/15/2012 3:36:48 PM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: LyinLibs

Supposing other militia members decided to get into the act and anonymously arrange to have a swarm of cops do a midnight raid on a house at one end of town and then they simultaneously cause a big ol’ ruckus at the other end of town.

Separate but related: Some cops are good, some cops are bad, but almost every cop feels like they’re above the law because they are the law. Protect and serve is no longer what they’re about.


47 posted on 12/15/2012 3:44:45 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Leftists: Stupid or Evil. Sometimes both. ))))
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To: Chickensoup

quotas, ya know


48 posted on 12/15/2012 4:23:46 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Erasmus

a “faul” smell indeed...


49 posted on 12/15/2012 4:25:05 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Daffynition

You could always host a donut and coffee party at your house for the po-leece. Get to know the local crew a bit.


50 posted on 12/15/2012 4:38:20 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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