Skip to comments.Muslims Riot, Jews Banned from Temple Mount
Posted on 12/15/2012 11:46:01 AM PST by Eleutheria5
Jews have been barred from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem until Sunday, the last day of Hannukah. The Temple Mount is the holiest site on earth according to Jewish tradition.
The ban is aimed at preventing a Muslim riot at the site. Riots are thought to be particularly likely following Friday prayers.
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Nah! It’s the leftist(Obamalama) way. Punish the law-abiders for actions the law-breakers perform.
Better get used to it. It’s just part of the back@sswards bizarro world we now find ourselves living in.
Sad to see Israel back down from these animals. Hey, they’re called “riot” guns for a reason.
This is shocking, I mean are you kidding me?
Why would Israel implement self-destructing policies like this?!
I always wonder, just what in the heck is Israel’s end game.
Like a proper business plan, a political plan has to have a valid exist strategy, end game.
Treading water, and cowering in a corner as your enemy grows more bold and more in numbers would not be what I consider a legitimate end game/exist strategy.
Lord- bless us all!
The slimes are just filth to be swept away soon.
Really good questions.
Aren’t there groups in Israel who believe that no Jews should ever go on the Temple Mount, because they could inadvertently walk where the Holy of Holies was?
Jews need to “Occupy” the Temple Mount. Not 10-20 of them. But 100,000. At one time. With no warning. Carrying guns. And once there...STAY there. Lay the foundation for the 3rd Temple. Let’s see the police try and stop them. This is the only way to undo the evil that Moshe Dayan perpetrated in June 1967.
Muslims riot? Come on; isn’t that THE RELIGION OF PEACE? We keep being told that.
Yep. Bible prophecy confirms this. Nations that mess with Israel are not very smart.
Of course. Jews are always wrong. Bearded savages are always right. Right is wrong. Wrong is right.
And the world is crazy.
Its practitioners are constantly provoked by the failure of non-believers to grovel low enough. This causes them to go against their nature and riot./s
So where to meet and when? I propose organizing via facebook. It worked for Tahrir Square.
Of course it is not only the Muslims that cause trouble. Haven’t some rabbis decreed that no Jew should go up to the Temple Mount?
I have never understood why Israel gave Muslims authority over the Temple mount. Makes no sense.
I know this was prophesied by Daniel, but what is going on in their minds?
There are differences of opinion in rabbinical circles. Everyone holds that one cannot enter the holy of holies, but that is on the large rock presently occupied by a mosque with a golden dome, so it’s pretty easy to avoid.
I thought there were disagreements as to where the holy of holies had been placed, so it was safer to avoid going to the Temple Mount altogether. Mind you, I still place 99.99% of the fault with the Muslims, but I would feel better if the Jews were united defending their right to that holy place.
Perhaps there’s disagreement on its boundaries, but as far as I know, everyone agrees it was always atop that big ol’ rock.
OK, then, when are y’all blowing up the abomination over the rock? I believe there’s a bunch of people ready to build the 3rd Temple NOW. It will be harder to do it when Iran has the bomb.
No need to blow anything up. G-d will rebuild the Temple. We will just construct the gates.
Then the word of the Lord came by Haggai the prophet, saying, Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses, and this temple[a] to lie in ruins? Now therefore, thus says the Lord of hosts: Consider your ways! [...] Thus says the Lord of hosts: Consider your ways! Go up to the mountains and bring wood and build the temple, that I may take pleasure in it and be glorified, says the Lord. (Hagai 1:3-5, 7-8)
You hear that, Eleutheria? It's not in Scripture! You know, like the rules and regulations for calculating the dates of the new moon and when the months begin? It's not in Scripture! It must be false! We don't have a calendar after all!
And you know how the Torah commands some sacrifices to be "waved" and others to be "heaved" but doesn't explain how to carry these actions out? I guess there can't be any way to do them, because it's only in tradition!
And you know how the actual written Torah is nothing but a string of consonants with no vowels or punctuation of any kind? The vowels we have are tradition! We should throw them all out and just use the consonants!
I usually stick up for the Protestants, but when they bring their quarrel with the Catholic Church where it doesn't belong, I just . . . ARG!
We, Baptists, have traditions too. I agree with you that there are things that we are not given directions about the best way to carry them out. So we develop traditions. But I draw the line when there are specific directions from the Lord. And, through Haggai, He made it very clear that He wanted His people to rebuild His house. Those are His words, not mine.
Is there any reason to assume that the words of the first chapter of Haggai don't apply to today's situation? If that's the case I would like to hear the argument. Bringing up the disagreements between Catholic and Protestant Christians does nothing to support your case.
Can’t we all just get along:-?
The entire issue is argued back and forth in the Talmud, whose sages were well aware of what it said in Haggai and elsewhere. Since I am no accomplished Talmudist or Scriptoral scholar, but am working slowly on both, I’d rather not be the answer man here. But I will say that the passage from Hagai you quote is itself problematic, because very little of the First or Second Temples was made of wood, stone being preferred for permanent structures, and Hagai was written before the construction of the Second Temple. In general, however, people talk of prophecies in Daniel, Ezekiel and Co., and I try to steer clear of it. Too much is subject to interpretation, and too much of it is reading contemporary events into these prophecies. I believe in them all, but I also believe my understanding if them is limited, and that in the End it will all become clear, especially vis a vis the events as they unfold. I therefore tend to close my ears to the interpretations, and let the events unfold, viewing them purely in a pragmatic light. Eventually, the meaning of Scripture will be understood by itself, without anyone interpreting, because “The Earth will be filled with Knowledge of G-d, as the waters cover the ocean”.
Lol! Eleutheria, you have to understand that Protestantism's birth certificate is its rejection of Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox church tradition. Unfortunately, most Protestants don't realize that that argument has no relevance to Judaism.
All the same, I realize that I was overly harsh to Former Fetus and the combination of the pic with my sarcastic post could be interpreted as public ridicule. For this I am truly sorry and I most sincerely publicly apologize. I've been quite out of sorts the past couple days, as I'm sure we all have.
Perhaps, but 1 Kings 6:16, 20, 21, 30 tells us that the Holy of Hollies was floored and wainscotted with cedar of Lebanon and its walls and floor were overlaid with gold. The point is not what percentage of the Temple was built with wood, but the fact that the Lord had said build the temple, that I may take pleasure in it and be glorified. If there's a reason why this does not apply to today's Israel, I would love to read about it.
Already answered. Hagai was chronologically between the building of the First Temple, its destruction, and the building of the Second. Both were built by human effort. It is not determinative, however, of how the Third Temple will be built.
In a very real sense, we are building it right now, with the Mitzvot that we do, each of which brings the final Redemption of the entire world and the rebuilding of the Temple that much closer.
Personally, I would be in favor of making bricks right now, for the construction of the gates, which is incumbent on us to do, and on each brick to engrave the name of someone who was murdered ‘al kidush Hashem’ (to sanctify G-d’s name), starting with the most recent victims of terror, and going back as far as there are names of the victims. I do not, however, know how to kiln bricks, or how to engrave names on them, let alone possess a kiln and a stylus, and don’t have enough time to compile all the names.
But all this is does not involve destroying the Muslims’ golden potty, deliberately looking for all-out war, or anything quite so drastic. For all we know, the war of Gog and Magog might become subliminalized into a spiritual contest. If it becomes a great and terrible physical confrontation, it will do so on its own, though. No need to deliberately light the fuse. In the end, the Third Temple will be there, and the mosque will not. Our role in bringing that about is not specifically detailed.
Harsh prophecies can be sweetened by our good actions. Prophecies that bestow good on someone are never corroded. Thus, because G-d promised to make Moses into a great nation, there is a great nation descended from Moses somewhere (this from the Talmud, Berachot, I forget what page, but in Chapter 1). But G-d also said in the same breath that he would destroy the Children of Israel. That was not fulfilled then, although in every punishment inflicted on us, a small portion of the sin of the Golden Calf is also repaid.
Fair enough, how do we know then how the Third Temple will be built? Or more to the point, are you saying that those people who have a cornerstone (and quite a few other stones) ready are wrong in doing so? I know the fellow who started the Temple Mount Faithful is convinced that the Lord wants the Temple rebuilt in this generation.
with the Mitzvot that we do, each of which brings the final Redemption of the entire world and the rebuilding of the Temple that much closer
Wouldn't that be nice? Yes, I would like to think that there's something I can do to bring about the Messianic Age any sooner.
does not involve destroying the Muslims golden potty, deliberately looking for all-out war
It's been a while that I read the Northern wall of the Temple Mount is bulging, could collapse with a small tremor. So, maybe there will be no need to deliberately destroy anything, although such a collapse will be blamed on Israel and war just as likely as if y'all dropped a MOAB on the mosque.
this from the Talmud, Berachot, I forget what page, but in Chapter 1
Is it available on-line, in English? More important, would I be able to understand any of it?
“Fair enough, how do we know then how the Third Temple will be built? Or more to the point, are you saying that those people who have a cornerstone (and quite a few other stones) ready are wrong in doing so?”
You skipped part of what I said. I am all for making bricks for the Third Temple, with the names of Karbanot (martyrs) engraved on them. For that matter, there is a very important opinion in the Talmud, much sited by the Lubavitcher Rebbe, that there is no contradiction. The Third Temple will descend from on high, and we will build the gates with our own hands. So my bricks would go for the gates. The Rebbe, btw, wanted so much for the Third Temple to be built in our generation, that he concluded almost every lecture he gave with a prayer for just that. Unfortunately, I don’t have the resources to execute my brick-making and engraving project.
“It’s been a while that I read the Northern wall of the Temple Mount is bulging, could collapse with a small tremor. So, maybe there will be no need to deliberately destroy anything, although such a collapse will be blamed on Israel and war just as likely as if y’all dropped a MOAB on the mosque.”
Those moral retards are already blaming the structural instability on archeologists, who are, you guessed it, part of a Zionist conspiracy. The truth is, they caused it with their unauthorized excavations on the Temple Mount in order to remove Jewish artifacts, which “inexplicably” showed up at the municipal dump.
“Is it available on-line, in English? More important, would I be able to understand any of it?”
Sure. http://www.yutorah.org/daf.cfm has English audio, although today’s class is on Tractate Shabbat. But you can flip back to Berachot. It is all very accessible, especially with the English explanation, which would be more helpful than just straight English text, because it is meant for a very elementary level of student. That being said, for your convenience here is a site with the straight English text: http://halakhah.com/berakoth/index.html I recommend that you listen to the audios on the first site along with this. Talmud has its own peculiar logical system, and some guidance would be useful, at least in the beginning.
Thanks (I think)... I hope I’m not trying to bite off more (much more) than I can chew.