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Question: How Many Innocents Killed by abortion and/or illegal aliens on a weekly basis?
Freepers Smarter Than Me | 12/15/12 | SFF

Posted on 12/15/2012 11:53:17 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

Like most people, I was repulsed to hear about the murder of innocent children by a lunatic in Connecticut.

While I understand a crime of this magnitude probably warrants a response, if only in rhetoric, by the federal government, I also wondered why other less "visible" deaths are ignored.

Look, we FREEPers publish almost on a weekly basis some story or stories about innocent people dying because of the action of someone in these states ILLEGALLY.

We also recognize that every day, with no real medical necessity, innocent babies are torn from the womb of their mothers.

These actions happen "one at a time", and not in one "mass" action, so they go unrecognized. Alas, the political class (and increasingly, our society) has come to consider death by illegal alien and death by abortion as "normal".

I ask: does anyone have reliable sources that provide tallies on the number of innocent people killed by abortion and illegals in our nation?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; guns; immigration; life
I am NOT trying to diminish the deaths of the precious innocent children in Connecticut, only asking for some clarification on these questions.
1 posted on 12/15/2012 11:53:34 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

According to the Guttmacher Institute there were 1.21 Million abortions in 2008 (last year they have full results for).


2 posted on 12/15/2012 11:55:47 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: SoFloFreeper

last I heard, there are about 1.2m abortions per year in the US

which is about 23,000 per week

or about 3200 every day

(I often wonder about the hypocrisy when I see liberals wringing their hands over kids getting killed... yet fight tooth and nail for abortion)


3 posted on 12/15/2012 11:58:03 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t think the abortions count. I’ve never heard the Metrosexuals in Pink on ESPN whining about the number of children killed by the abortion crowd ever mentioned on any of their pre-game shows.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 12:00:42 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Fifty five million legal abortions reported since the law passed in 1973 in the United States.

That doesn’t count early, undetected and unreported abortions due to the abortifacient pill.

It does not count the abortion we export to third wirld countries.

It is completely and utterly relative to the massacre which occured yesterday, as it is related to God being pushed out of our schools, leaving them truly unprotected from evil such as this.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 12:00:55 PM PST by stanne
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To: sten
So a 911 every day for the children.
6 posted on 12/15/2012 12:02:17 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Trying to turn yesterday’s mass shooting into a discussion on abortion will probably not have the desired effect. In fact, many will find it reprehensible.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 12:05:32 PM PST by Drew68
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To: stanne; All

Someday, I believe some Muslim terrorists will seize a school (remember Chechnya when Putin first took over? Some lunatic Islamofascists took over a school?) and strike fear in the hearts of Americans.

And Obama and the media will be rushing to a microphone “Let’s not jump to conclusions!” Just like he did when that Muslim “cleric” murdered innocent soldiers at Fort Hood.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 12:07:26 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

But there is no crime scene, no police reports, and no news reporters on TV every 10 minutes showing us what happened. Out of sight out of mind, who could even imagine a nation as great as ours killing 55 million innocent children? But the world will condemn us if we water board a mass murderer.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 12:07:36 PM PST by Taxbilly
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To: SoFloFreeper
Question: How Many Innocents Killed by abortion and/or illegal aliens on a weekly basis?

Excellent point! The performance by 0bammy, crying crocodile tears, loses a lot of it's dramatic effect when you note that he advocates the killing of the unborn and newly born.

10 posted on 12/15/2012 12:08:51 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (America 2012 - What Would Our Forefathers Do?)
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To: Drew68

Which is why I qualified the reason for starting the thread (which no one is forced to engage in, btw): deaths of innocents that occur one at a time versus deaths of innocents that occur all at once.

Both are terrifying and wrong and repulsive. Right now, one of these categories shocks us—and the other doesn’t.


11 posted on 12/15/2012 12:09:29 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Drew68

Yeah, but the general devaluation of life that permeates society is instructive.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 12:16:29 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Right now, one of these categories shocks us—and the other doesn’t.

Because most Americans don't equate abortion with gunning down a 5-year old. While you may think it is the same thing, a lot of others will disagree.

13 posted on 12/15/2012 12:20:42 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
Yes, indeed many will.

The mass shooting was a horrible tragedy for the victims, their families, their friends, and their whole community.

Now is not the time to pile on with political agendas — whether it’s about gun control, abortions, or illegal aliens.

14 posted on 12/15/2012 12:23:32 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: SoFloFreeper
Emotional rhetoric from national, state and local political leaders about one disturbed individual's act which destroyed the lives and liberties of these 20 young innocents remind us that many of these leaders' ideology and policies devalue Creator-endowed life and liberty for millions of other innocents in the womb for whom no tears are shed either by them or the special interest groups who elect them.

At the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington DC on February 3, 1994, Mother Teresa stated: “And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?"

Indeed, if we cannot protect the life and liberty of these smallest versions of ourselves, even with their so-called "imperfections," then Mother Teresa's words take on significant meaning.

Nothing can diminish the pain and loss which has been inflicted upon the CT community. Political leaders who may use that loss to lead a "national discussion," however, must not be allowed to limit the "discussion" to one focusing on inanimate weapons in the hands of a criminal or deranged portion of the society. Neither can it be used to emphasize only the so-called "progressive" political view.

The "discussion," to be worthy of the tragedy which prompts it, must also include a deeper discussion on the meaning and purpose of life at all its natural stages. Mother Teresa's words are worthy of consideration.

15 posted on 12/15/2012 12:29:09 PM PST by loveliberty2 ( -)
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To: SoFloFreeper

According to this, illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily.

http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/


16 posted on 12/15/2012 12:33:45 PM PST by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: sten

EIGHTEEN CHILDREN DEAD is a profitable week for a Planned Parenthood Clinic.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 12:53:33 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Liz; La Lydia; AuntB

PING


18 posted on 12/15/2012 1:40:25 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: SoFloFreeper

In Florida, the average would be about 1480 babies killed per week.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 1:40:40 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: loveliberty2

“What you do to the LEAST OF THESE my brethren, you do it also to Me.” The LORD Jesus Christ, Matthew 25:31-46

If a baby in the womb is not the LEAST of us then who is ???


20 posted on 12/15/2012 1:55:38 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: sten

or about 3200 every day
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I think the numbers are grossly undeestimated , my work in the downtown area takes me past 2 “clinics” that have anywhere from 30-60 customer cars in their lots each “procedure day” and this isn’t a “hotspot” like the PP clinic in the “Holders people” neighborhood or in Miami.

I’m quite sure that any clinic other than PP under-reports and claims no cash sales on their income taxes. I KNOW for a fact they re-use disposable single-use items like cannulas to reduce their costs (who cares if you use the same tool in 20 women and give them all the chlamidia customer #3 had!) ,, re-using tools also is a necessity if they are ever audited by the IRS.... as there SHOULD be a 1:1 correlation.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 2:20:12 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: SoFloFreeper; mgist; raptor22; victim soul; Isabel2010; Smokin' Joe; Michigander222; PJBankard; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

22 posted on 12/15/2012 2:21:40 PM PST by narses
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To: SoFloFreeper

I asked the same question yesterday and was told that I was being too provocative.

When same sex marriage and mass murder of the unborn become socially acceptable, when our kids in school are no longer allowed to mention God’s name, when public prayer is no longer allowed but muslim prayer is allowed to stop traffic in New York, when ‘Merry Christmas’ is replaced with ‘Happy Holidays’, when a Christmas play is cancelled because an atheist objects and when a crucifix is placed in a jar of urine for the sake of ‘art’ and when elected officials do not represent their constituents we should not be surprised when bad things happen in our country.

When those who proclaim to be Christians are man enough to mock God, they should be man enough to suffer the consequences.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 2:50:11 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: loveliberty2

Re: #15

Excellent comments!


24 posted on 12/15/2012 2:55:24 PM PST by Faith
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To: Drew68

I don’t find it reprehensible to be having this discussion at all. In fact, I think the two topics (yesterday’s slaughter and the ongoing slaughter of abortion) are morally equivalent.

What’s the difference between gunning down a five year old & dimembering a 16 week baby? Nothing.

By your posts, I’m inclined to think you DO see a difference. Am I wrong?


25 posted on 12/15/2012 3:05:06 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Amen. “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thine Kingdom.”


26 posted on 12/15/2012 3:20:26 PM PST by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: SoFloFreeper
How about the 100 children murdered every year in Chicago by guns?

As soon as Obama's home town gets gun control right, THEN we might talk about applying their ideas to the rest of the country.

We'll be waiting.

27 posted on 12/15/2012 3:22:50 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
**does anyone have reliable sources that provide tallies on the number of innocent people killed by abortion** This is an older chart that someone did up a few years ago, I don't remember who it was, and it probably needs to be updated. But it opens a person's eyes as to the monstrosity of abortion.

Each “+” (cross) represents 10,000 deaths (or fraction thereof)

Revolutionary War 6,188
+

War of 1812 4,505
+

Mexican War 4,152
+

U. S. Civil War (both sides) 498,332
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

Spanish-American War 2,446
+

World War I 116,516
+ + + + + + + + + + + +

World War II 405,399
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

Korea 54,246
+ + + + + +

Vietnam 58,167
+ + + + + +

Desert Storm 293
+

Afghanistan/Iraq Liberation 3,500
+

Grand Total all U.S. Wars 1,150,744
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

Abortions in the U.S. (Since Roe v. Wade in 1973) 54,559,615
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28 posted on 12/15/2012 3:43:06 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: surroundedbyblue
By your posts, I’m inclined to think you DO see a difference. Am I wrong?

Nope. And outside of the Free Republic echo chamber, most Americans do see a difference. Pro-lifers are going to wind up with egg on their face if they try to politicize yesterday's tragedy by turning it into an abortion debate. Newsflash: The way to winning hearts and minds is first and foremost to not drive people away by looking like a gaggle of unhinged cranks.

Good God, if there were ever a group of people who could so poorly misread public opinion, it's some of you folks.

29 posted on 12/15/2012 4:29:16 PM PST by Drew68
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To: SoFloFreeper

about 25,000 a week, roughly. yp it’s ratherhypocritical that those25,000 murders don’t abhor anyonetosay abortionmust be bannbed, because it’s mom making a choice, not a murder.

no one cries for them because mom murders them,not a warped wacko nutjob. and the tool of murder matters not, it’s all about intent. the guy could have used blade weapons or screwdrivers or hammers or modified battery-powered nail guns or driven his car across the playground. it’s all about evil intent.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 5:49:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I reckon Heaven continues to be packed with fresh, snow-white,
innocent souls. Lord, we ask for your help to change this.
Amen.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 8:06:48 PM PST by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Illegal Aliens must have killed hundreds of American children.

They kill black teenagers in NJ and Cali. Drunk illegals with many DUIs have killed many children.

Assuming illegal aliens have killed between 1000 and 10,000 American citizens as a low estimate. At least hundreds must be children. Small children are less likely to survive being run over by illegals.

RINO Chris Christie needs to be investigated to see if he let local cops check at least for violent illegals as NJ Attorney when the Newark massacre happened.

Ive been waiting for a conservative lawmaker to come out and bring up the chldren killed by illegals. No one is bringing this up.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 5:12:57 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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