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Killerís Mother, His First Victim, Was a Gun Enthusiast, Friends Say
NY Times ^ | 12/15/12

Posted on 12/15/2012 12:54:40 PM PST by BunnySlippers

She often went to a local restaurant and music spot, My Place, where she sat at the bar, according to a manager there who gave her name only as Louise. Ms. Lanza typically came to My Place alone, said another acquaintance, Dan Holmes, owner of Holmes Fine Gardens, a landscaping company in Newtown, who also met her at the bar.

At craft beer tastings on Tuesday evenings, he recalled, she liked to talk about her gun collection.

“She had several different guns,” he said. “I don’t know how many. She would go target shooting with her kids.”

Law enforcement officials said they believed that the guns were acquired lawfully and registered.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; connecticut; lanza; nancylanza; newtown; sandyhook
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A different picture of mom.
1 posted on 12/15/2012 12:54:45 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

Please add MATT FLEGENHEIMER and RAVI SOMAIYA as authors.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 12:55:53 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

She would go target shooting with her kids


3 posted on 12/15/2012 1:03:08 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Wow, bad woman..!

She was single and OWNED GUNS...!

She even SPOKE about them..!!! //

How many places outside of NYC, Madison or Berkeley does this sound evil...?


4 posted on 12/15/2012 1:03:35 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

!!!!


5 posted on 12/15/2012 1:04:51 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

I refuse to read this, but I’ve got an idea that the NYT is trying to cleverly hint that, as a gun owner, she had it coming.

I really hope the people that write this crap burn in hell . . . soon.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 1:05:29 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: gaijin

Marksmanship might help him focus his mind a bit more and, with his busy dad out of the house, teach him a little about being a man.

I don’t follow how this is bad at all.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 1:05:52 PM PST by gaijin
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To: JohnBrowdie

Nuking the NYT. i approve!


8 posted on 12/15/2012 1:07:40 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
Did you see the interview just now from the coroner? Aside from he should never be allowed within 50 feet of a microphone ever again, it was horrific. The children had between 3-11 gunshots each. That was very angry insane overkill. That takes it to a whole new level.

As for the mother having guns, well, there are many gun enthusiasts who don't go on crazed rampages. Geez, how many guns did George Washington have? Oh, yeah, he was a radical who turn on his English countrymen. The msm will spin this so there's nothing close to reality. Just like yesterday where there wasn't 10% of the truth from them.

9 posted on 12/15/2012 1:07:51 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

yup.

Won’t be long before the shooter is the victim.


10 posted on 12/15/2012 1:08:45 PM PST by digger48
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To: BunnySlippers

One has to question mom training her psychiatrically ill son how to shoot and giving him free access to her gun collection. Flame away, but I sense something was a little off about this mother.


11 posted on 12/15/2012 1:09:12 PM PST by BlueStateRightist (Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: gaijin
She had a nutted up son and took him target shooting. Everything right with teaching normal functioning kids about guns and taking them to the range, nothing ok with allowing a troubled one near your guns.
12 posted on 12/15/2012 1:09:30 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: All

Hate to say this, but if it were me, and my son was a bit of a problem, then I wouldn’t have guns in the house. She had to know he had some ‘issues’...


13 posted on 12/15/2012 1:10:34 PM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: bgill

OMG!!!


14 posted on 12/15/2012 1:11:31 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: bgill

I don’t see how this does ANYTHING but hurt the gun control argument. The legal owner used them for TARGET SHOOTING and the murderous family member STOLE her guns, used them to MURDER her and 25 other innocent people.


15 posted on 12/15/2012 1:11:44 PM PST by jeff19
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To: BunnySlippers

There’s only one detail that matters - her son was nuts.


16 posted on 12/15/2012 1:11:50 PM PST by skeeter
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To: bgill

That was painful to watch..was the coroner on something?? Someone should’ve jumped in to save him.

As for the details..absolutely horrific. this was an angry, enraged, vengeful killing. But why innocent children?


17 posted on 12/15/2012 1:15:56 PM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: BunnySlippers

In most of these massacre cases people drop the ball. The way they drop it is by not taking responsibility for the situation. The professor/shrink in aurora who ignored the threats including drawings. The VA tech shooter whose parents shipped him off to school without treatment. This case appears to have a mother who may have been in denial. She may be dead, but that doesn’t lessen her responsibility if she knew the kid was a threat.


18 posted on 12/15/2012 1:17:48 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: JohnBrowdie

;)


19 posted on 12/15/2012 1:18:52 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: jeff19

There is no “gun control argument”. We have controls. They’re interested in gun elimination...period.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 1:19:48 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: BunnySlippers

You’ll now see localities already with stringent gun regulations requiring a visit by Child Protective Services & a number of other agencies before permits are allowed (more so denied)…


21 posted on 12/15/2012 1:23:00 PM PST by mikrofon (+ Prayers Up +)
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To: BunnySlippers

DIVORCE

hurts the kids the most


22 posted on 12/15/2012 1:24:30 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BunnySlippers

“A different picture of mom.”

She sounds like someone I would like.

She had a lot of private worries, I am sure, with Adam. Seems like she tried to live a “normal” life with a child that wasn’t normal.

Twenty years is a long time to deal with these issues. It is unfortunate that her life had to end this way.

The low class anti-gunners had better tread lightly dealing with her. She comes from a very interesting family and her brother is a well respected law enforcement officer. Something that this article didn’t bother to mention.

RIP Nancy Champion Lanzer


23 posted on 12/15/2012 1:24:46 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: BunnySlippers

I keep wondering if the mom has a FR account. :(


24 posted on 12/15/2012 1:24:49 PM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: BunnySlippers

I think they’re going to try and paint her as a survivalist kook. The shooter was definitely not quite ‘normal’ but at this point my guess is he was on some kind of medication that affected his mental state.


25 posted on 12/15/2012 1:26:48 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: digger48

notice how the times had a cute photo of him?


26 posted on 12/15/2012 1:27:03 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: palmer

what about the dad that couldn’t handle having a troubled son and ducked out leaving the mom holding the bag


27 posted on 12/15/2012 1:27:07 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: digger48
The Libs puzzled and puzzled till their puzzlers were sore.

They hired school psychologists, and then added more!

But all their Vain Actions were those of Blind Fools.

THE Only reason for failure: removing prayer and God from their schools!

28 posted on 12/15/2012 1:27:37 PM PST by Gasshog
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To: gaijin

No. It’s misguided to think target practice will possibly be therapeutic for a person with significant mental illness. Dangerous lunatics need to be hermetically sealed from weaponry. My guess, from the data available, this mom dropped the ball.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 1:27:50 PM PST by BlueStateRightist (Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: BunnySlippers

When you have children, you might want to sit in Church with them sometimes and talk about Christ.

Now she is laying in the morgue.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 1:29:12 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: yldstrk

Yeah, no surprise the dad left. I have a kid like that in the neighborhood, nothing but trouble and dad has washed his hands and moved out of state. I try to deal with him as best I can (I am stuck for particular reasons). The mother is mostly useless and mom’s new husband is useless.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 1:32:04 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: bgill
Did you see the interview just now from the coroner? Aside from he should never be allowed within 50 feet of a microphone ever again, it was horrific. The children had between 3-11 gunshots each. That was very angry insane overkill. That takes it to a whole new level. I didn't see it, yet I won't be a bit surprised if the crime scene photo gets accidentally released by MSM to further the gun control issue.
32 posted on 12/15/2012 1:34:39 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: palmer

I should add the neighborhood kid is a prankster and troublemaker but does not seem mentally ill to me. Just clever and quite destructive.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 1:36:06 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: BunnySlippers

NYT’s point is:

A right wing gun fanatic (sleazy bar hopping beer drinking chick) turned this adorable innocent child (see lame photo) into a serial killer....


34 posted on 12/15/2012 1:37:42 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: Gasshog

+1


35 posted on 12/15/2012 1:37:52 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: BunnySlippers

Why are they even mentioning who owned the guns? Guns do this all on their own. Every Liberal knows that.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 1:38:50 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: JohnBrowdie

“...but I’ve got an idea that the NYT is trying to cleverly hint that, as a gun owner, she had it coming.”

No, I disagree. They have written this to show that buying guns and practicing at a range are why he killed so many. Without reading the piece I would bet the majority of comments are all about how ranges need to be shut down and without ranges and guns there would be no more gun violence.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 1:39:02 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: nuconvert

They are going to move to elimination of homeschooling. Just watch.


38 posted on 12/15/2012 1:43:55 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: ColdOne

A bullet can enter and then exit the body creating 2 wounds, exit and entry.

Did he really say 3 to 11 wounds each, that would mean according to his investigation, each person was shot at least twice?


39 posted on 12/15/2012 1:45:55 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: BunnySlippers
This particular family, coupled with the location chosen for the attack could not be more 'perfect' for 0bama's second term agenda of overturning the 2nd Amendment.. Just toooo perfect. So perfect in fact, it's almost as if it's been scripted.. Planned by those seeking to exploit it for their agenda.. I hope someone has saved all video gaming chat board discussions and person-to-person messaging and can identify the person or agency on the other end of Adam Lanza's Internet connection. I recall this tidbit from Benghazi:

"Murdered FSO Sean Smith, “Assuming we don’t die tonight. We saw one of our ‘police’ that guard the compound taking pictures.”..

So, we know there ARE government employees or agencies using these gaming boards to communicate and perhaps a shadowy group for recruiting operatives to further a gun ban agenda.

We can't imagine children being killed for such purpose, but what better way to evoke sympathies of the masses? Remember the four dead Americans, including an Ambassador where NO ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO RESCUE THEM, even after 7 hours of sheer hell trying to stay alive. They were ignored and abandoned to die that night.

40 posted on 12/15/2012 1:52:35 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: BlueStateRightist

“Dangerous lunatics need to be hermetically sealed from weaponry.”

Actually, dangerous people in general need to be hermetically sealed from “SOCIETY”. Loughner, in the Arizona shootings, is a good case to study when it comes to the legal hurdles that prevents removing these individuals from society.

We don’t know anything about Nancy Lanzer. So why speculate or try to judge her before more is known. The leftist NYTs is not the source I want for my information.

Where is Adam Loughner’s psychologist? This man has a history and it is out there somewhere. Let’s wait and not let the socialists define this man and his mother. I want the truth...not propaganda.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 1:53:08 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: BunnySlippers

Is there a pic of her posted somewhere?


42 posted on 12/15/2012 1:55:53 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: BunnySlippers

Is there a pic of her posted somewhere?


43 posted on 12/15/2012 1:56:01 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: ColdOne

Yes I did. Why are all the photos of the perpetrator from his elementary years? Isn’t he about 20 years old? Doesn’t he even have a senior picture?


44 posted on 12/15/2012 1:59:46 PM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: BlueStateRightist
"One has to question mom training her psychiatrically ill son how to shoot and giving him free access to her gun collection. Flame away, but I sense something was a little off about this mother."

She was probably blinded by her love for her son and didn't see it. Or chose not to. Friends and relatives said they were not surprised.

As firearms go, a Glock, a Sig and a Bushmaster are fairly mundane although more than decent. That her brother is a LEO was mentioned above, and that might help explain her choices. My wife's family comes from upper midwest farm country and guns are just tools to her. They probably are even more so to a LEO's family.

Whichever Connecticut government agency was charged with taking care of Adam obviously failed miserably. Since Kennedy's Community Mental Health Act of 1963 (CMHA) this has been a lose-lose situation for the mentally ill and the people who come in contact with the mentally ill.

No doubt there will be lawsuits and there is a lot more information that will come out.

45 posted on 12/15/2012 2:00:54 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: keats5
Doesn’t he even have a senior picture? I read someplace that he was to shy to have his senior photo taken.
46 posted on 12/15/2012 2:03:28 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: palmer
This is potentially serious. He may be just bored and have a Errol Flynn type disposition especially if he has had absentee or deficient parents. Worse you may have a potential sociopath who will become more violent over time. In any case a close watch is required which can be hard to do and get you alot of grief from wives or girlfriends. Because of the ‘anything goes’ culture that the libs have created over the last 40 years it is now easy for ‘Peck's Bad Boy’ to become a candidate mass murderer.
47 posted on 12/15/2012 2:04:40 PM PST by robowombat
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To: BlueStateRightist

I agree with you I’m appalled that this disgusting animal was able to have access to all those guns.


48 posted on 12/15/2012 2:05:12 PM PST by SunnyUsa ( It is error alone which needs the support of government.Truth can stand by itself. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cicero2k

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

Picture of the Mom on this site.


49 posted on 12/15/2012 2:06:38 PM PST by shadow99
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To: CharlotteVRWC

exactly my thoughts - its inexcusable that all of those weapons were available to the killer son.


50 posted on 12/15/2012 2:07:12 PM PST by SunnyUsa ( It is error alone which needs the support of government.Truth can stand by itself. Thomas Jefferson)
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